SSR Poolhopping????

[PKS44]

Anybody care to make a bet about the poolhopping policy at SSR? Any number of possibilities could occur from no restriction to DVC poolhopping to only allowing OKW and SSR guests to full restriction to SSR only as they do at AKL and SAB....

And what will be the explanation for any restriction given? I guarantee it will not be:

"In order to encourage more people to buy points at SSR- the SSR new pool complex will only be available to guests staying at SSR."

I think they will end up not restricting the poolhopping but I also suspect the pool won't be anything that super-special...not much different than the other top resort pools nothing approaching SAB in it's variety and quality....that's my guess...

what's yours?

 

[CarolA]

If I was Disney I would just eliminate this perk. I mean the grief I see dished out on these boards is enought to convince me that no matter what someone will be unhappy!

 

[KNWVIKING]

I have two conflicting ideas about how DVD may be treating the pool at SSR.

1: If they were planning a SAB type pool at SSR, wouldn't they "leak' such info to generate interest in sales, get people psych'ed to the idea.

Or,conversely: SSR is going to have a SAB type pool,but if we tell people about it now,then maybe they won't buy BCV just for SAB. Let's wait till BCV is sold out before we tell people our great news.

Then there is what I think is reality. The pool will be a nice feature pool along the lines of poly or GF.

As for pool hopping: It's my understanding that SSR will be built in segments,units added as market demands, similar to OKW. Initially, during the first phase,I believe PH will be allowed. As the resort grows I believe they will end PH to SSR. One reason I really believe this is because I think OKW guest will flock to it, especially those down at the DTD end of the resort. The only way to prevent this: Revamp the OKW pool to deluxe resort standards.

I also believe PH in general will end in 4-5 years. DVC membership is just getting too large and it doesn't appear WDW plans on adding new Deluxe or even Moderate resorts to add pools to the mix. And if AKL is any indication, I believe any new WDW resorts that were built would be excluded anyway.

 

[Pa@okw95]

There will be no pool hopping allowed. that would be the best bet I made all year. Pool hopping should come to an end it just gives people the idea that they have a right to use other resorts. I could never get myself to pool hop. I sure there are plenty of people that feel the way I do, it was a bad perk to start with.

 

[PKS44]

Originally posted by CarolA
If I was Disney I would just eliminate this perk. I mean the grief I see dished out on these boards is enought to convince me that no matter what someone will be unhappy!

That is just not a good reason to stop it --Disney doesn't care what teeth gnashing goes on here or anywhere else on the internet---that's just a bunch of people-mysrlf included- with too much time on our hands to hash out ultimately meaningless stuff--again in my case to get away for the really stressful stuff I deal with daily----

the queston is whether the perk adds value to the DVC enough to warrant its expense..in other words does it make DVC more appealing to the potential buyer more than it costs them....costs them to implement/enforce/affects their other rsort bookings, etc...

If it costs them or is not seen as very important to the potential buyers..it will go. Otherwise it seems a very low cost promotional item costing practically nothing.

Paul

 

[Granny]

Anybody care to make a bet about the poolhopping policy at SSR? Any number of possibilities could occur from no restriction to DVC poolhopping to only allowing OKW and SSR guests to full restriction to SSR only as they do at AKL and SAB....

...you forgot another option.....they will allow people staying at SSR to pool hop to SAB!!!! Until it's sold out anyway!


Think about it....DVD has discovered the selling power of SAB and will now only allow pool hopping to SAB for the new resorts they're selling!



Tongue in cheek, folks. Tongue in cheek.

 

[spiceycat]

SSR will be totally owned by DVC - unlike the BC/YC - which is a WDW resort - so I think pool hopping will always exist at SSR.

I mean how could they say to the WDW resorts - we don't want our member to pool-hop to our pools but to yours - no that isn't going to happen.

pool-hoping must be agreed by the WDW resorts - DVC can not control their policies - so when a particular WDW resorts like the BC/YC and before that AKL - does not want pool hopping DVC can't made them.

kept in mind you are talking about 2 different business organization - there is DVC and there is WDW resorts - they are both owned and operated by Disney - but they are different.

So I would think that pool-hopping to SSR will happen - now I don't think that the pool at SSR will be that great! I could be and often am wrong - but I would think DVC would not make any pool that expensive - kept in mind that SALB has 3 resorts paying for it upkeep - that thing is very, very expensive to keep up. just count the lifeguards and they are only the part of the staff that you can see for that pool. plus the insurance that pool needs - no I don't think WDW resorts or DVC resorts will ever built another pool as expensive as SALB.

they had their chance when they upgraded the pool at the GF - this is a nice pool and that is probably what the SSR pool will be like. I mean if any WDW resort could pay for another SALB it would have been the GF - and WDW did not do it.

 

[colleen costello]

There are a lot of "old timers" here -- folks that bought DVC "back in the beginning" and they will fuss if this much-touted perk is removed. Our guide talked a lot about pool-hopping priveleges when we joined, kind of suggesting that being a DVC owner gives you "the keys to the Kingdom." I don't think that pool-hopping is a problem, as I don't believe that DVC members spend their whole vacations swimming at other resorts' pools. I hope they allow it at Saratoga. Spending time at the place and yes, swimming there, is a good way to get a feel for a place you might want to "add on."

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by CarolA
If I was Disney I would just eliminate this perk. I mean the grief I see dished out on these boards is enought to convince me that no matter what someone will be unhappy!

Yep, this seems like the most likely scenario. Way too much grief dished around about the pool hopping perk, it'll end up causing it to be discontinued everywhere. Even if they don't read these boards, the CM's have to deal with the attitudes and people being indignant when they are asked for thier resort ID's, scene's at the pools and front desks from people expressing being "cheated".

Perhaps what's really needed is an investment or upgrade in one of the OKW pools. SAB tye pool probably won't happen at SSR, I believe it is a very costly pool to maintain. More likely a pool like the new one at GF, with a 0 entry section, slide and waterfalls built into the rock formation, and perhaps a couple of other features. I'm sure it will be very nice. A lazy river feature wouldn't be that hard, our local recreation center has that feature built into our indoor pool.

As DVC continues to expand, pool hopping makes less and less sense to continue including. I don't think I've ever used the perk, but I hope we don't loose it. Seems like a monorail ride over to the poly on a hot day in MK would be a nice break.

 

[CarolA]

The big issue here is that the OKW owners have never shown a desire to PAY for the upgraded pool and the attendant costs (ie lifeguards). As an OKW owner if I was one selected for the next survey I would vote no on upgrades. And before you flame me, I have NEVER pool hopped nor has anyone staying on my points. They all agree with me, just don't tell the kids and they won't know and OKW is nicer then the non-existent pool in their normal backyard.

 

[colleen costello]

CarolA, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Lots of folks agree with you, judging by the results of the long-ago poll. I probably would've agreed with you until I had kids. Being a Mom has made me more aware of accidents and even "potential" hazards. Even though I watch my two closely at any pool, knowing a "professional" was around would make me feel better.

 

[OneMoreTry]

I think "pool hopping" gives DVC members the idea they have the right to use other resorts because
THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE OTHER RESORTS.




Eliminating pool hopping would not eliminate ANY expense for Disney overall because they would still need to police the pools for illegal pool hoppers.

IF POOL HOPPING IS OUTLAWED ONLY OUTLAWS WILL POOL HOP.





I bet that illegal pool hoppers outnumber DVC pool hoppers. On another forum many Orlando locals posted that they go to Disney resorts just to use the pool for the day. As a perk it is relatively cheap for Disney and well-liked by many members.

I bet it stays.

 

[OneMoreTry]

PS

In the old days any Disney resort guest was allowed to use any Disney hotel pool. Eg you could stay at Ft Wilderness and use the Poly pool.

And there were no forums for the "I've never pool-hopped" Pharisees to pontificate on.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by OneMoreTry
I think "pool hopping" gives DVC members the idea they have the right to use other resorts because
THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE OTHER RESORTS.




Eliminating pool hopping would not eliminate ANY expense for Disney overall because they would still need to police the pools for illegal pool hoppers.

IF POOL HOPPING IS OUTLAWED ONLY OUTLAWS WILL POOL HOP.





I bet that illegal pool hoppers outnumber DVC pool hoppers. On another forum many Orlando locals posted that they go to Disney resorts just to use the pool for the day. As a perk it is relatively cheap for Disney and well-liked by many members.

I bet it stays.

Well, interesting perspective from someone only having 10 posts, you had some good points until the "I bet it stays"......

Local pool crashers are a problem, agreed.

 

[Uncleromulus]

All of which makes me wonder (as I've always wondered)--why oh why did they not build the main pool at OKW "correctly" the first time?? Some lifeguards and a small slide, and I'd probably never have even considered pool hopping.
Anyway--that's not the subject of this thread. My guess is that pool hopping will not be allowed---if the new pool is really worth hopping to. If it is, seems it would be easier all around if they didn't allow it in the first place, rather than rescind it later. If it resembles the main pool at OKW however, they'll probably allow it.

 

[spiceycat]

I don't think the decision makers at Disney really though that DVC would work - maybe because of the apartment (the old DI) that they tried in the 70 or 80 (don't remember) - you know when they tried to get people to buy those apartments - well they didn't sell and I think they though that DVC would not sell either - besides I think the expensive of the spa was enough - the Polyn does have one of these - and I kinda prefer the spa to a slide - would like both - but I prefer the spa.

After OKW (called DVC) all the other DVC resorts had a slide. So I think that the pool at SSR will be much nicer than OKW - I mean BWV has a better pool (if you like slides) and that was the last stand alone (it doesn't but BWI and BWV were built at the same time) that DVC did.

yes DVC did try in at least one survey to upgrade the pool - but the members voted it down. I don't have children - but a slide at the main pool would attract all the children and free up the other pools.

 

[CarolA]

Hey I was a lifeguard and I agree that a pool with a lifeguard is a much better idea. If DVC gave me an option that allowed me to vote for adding lifeguards for part of the day I probably would. I probably would not vote for adding slides or other fancy stuff however.

Lifeguard costs are low. Slide costs and pool remodeling are high and raise the cost of you liablility insurance. (I just worked on a pool project for a group where we dumped the slide for just that reason!)

 

[Dean]

I am sure that if PH exists, SS will be included. I also suspect PH days are numbered but whether it will stop in 1, 2 or 5 years is hard to know. Even then it's possible that SS will continue to allow members to PH.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by CarolA
Hey I was a lifeguard and I agree that a pool with a lifeguard is a much better idea. If DVC gave me an option that allowed me to vote for adding lifeguards for part of the day I probably would. I probably would not vote for adding slides or other fancy stuff however.

Lifeguard costs are low. Slide costs and pool remodeling are high and raise the cost of you liablility insurance. (I just worked on a pool project for a group where we dumped the slide for just that reason!)

Wouldn't have guess that. Interesting.

 

[lenshanem]

If they remodeled the main OKW pool by either adding a slide or zero depth or even making it a littel more "themed" I woudl probbaly want to stay there or even add on there in the future with a resale. We have a plain pool in our neighborhood. I think thsi is OKW's only flaw? It seems everyone loves everything else about it.