**spoilers*** Lost Season Five **spoilers**

[Amy]

Here's something interesting from DarkUFO re the "variable":

Desmond May be the Constant, But...

Gonna put a new spin on one of my old theories here, going back to S3 when I called him the 'indestructible epicenter of all things'. I talked about this a little on the ODI podcast last week, but I wanted to put it here for everyone who didn't hear it. Here goes:

The Variable is Hurley.

Since the very beginning of LOST, this has been true. We've never seen it so clearly until now, because we've never really had reason to scrutinize it. But let's examine the evidence for a minute, and then you guys can make your own assumptions. Here's what I'm saying:

* Hurley almost didn't make Flight 815. In fact, the woman at the counter tells him: "I don't think you're supposed to be on this flight, dear".

* When Ben sees Hurley on Ajira 316, he looks him in the eye and tells him: "Hugo, who told you to come?"

* In Left Behind, episode S3.15, Hurley stands on the beach with Sawyer sitting behind him. He then looks out into the ocean, and says "I'm not supposed to be here".

* In Locke's vision where Boone's wheeling him through the airport, Hurley's the only person not getting on the plane. Everyone else is boarding the flight, but Hurley is not a passenger: instead he's stamping tickets at the gate.

* In S1, Hurley knew he wouldn't die on the bridge. He just had a 'feeling' he'd be alright - and he was. At the end of S3 Hurley knew he could get that 30+ year old van to start... and he got it started. He drives the van into Pryce through a hail of gunfire, without ever taking a single bullet.

* Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley all get captured by the Others. But Hurley was the one person they let go.

Hugo has always been lucky: rolling the dice, winning at horseshoes, never missing at basketball, winning the lottery. He eternally makes his own luck... and if this is the case, it stands to reason that he can make his own future. Hugo makes his own kind of music - he's been doing this both on and off the island. He's untouchable, unreachable, and the island can't affect him for a very simple reason: he's not supposed to be here.

Think about Hurley's distractions, too. The island tried to bribe him with a storeroom of food, but Hugo blew it up. It tried to offer him romance, but then his potential girlfriend gets shot. It even tries to get him to kill himself... by using Dave to almost convince Hurley to jump off a cliff. Didn't work.

Outside of the island? Hurley's in a mental institution, where someone is watching over him (because they can't touch him) to make sure he stays put. He gets out anyway. Then he's captured and imprisoned by the police. Somehow he gets out of that, too. No matter what happens, Hurley can't be contained. Hurley can somehow even see Jacob's cabin, because he's not affected by whatever illusions or smokescreens the island puts up.

Even now, it's no coincidence that Hurley's the one voice arguing in favor that things can be changed. He argues with Miles in Whatever Happened Happened, and he's trying to rewrite history with his Empire Strikes Back script. Hurley's seen more ghosts than anyone else. Charlie comes to Hurley as a ghost, telling him "They need you". Who needs him? Everyone else in the story. The Hurley bird is even shrieking his name over and over in the finale. The answer is obvious to me: Hurley's the one person who'll end up changing things.

What's funny is that we've always thought the game changer would come from one of the bigger players: Desmond, Ben, Jack, Locke - but if you think about LOST in general, it makes sense that such changes would come from someone you'd least expect. Hurley is perfect because no one's expecting him to matter. He's done nothing but cook, divide up food, play ping pong, and make everyone else laugh - including us.

Hurley is the island's very big problem because he's the one person who's "not here for a reason". And that's the very reason why he'll end up being so important: WHH can't apply to Hurley, because he was never a part of the plan (timeline?) in the first place. In short, I'm saying Hurley is the variable. Just tossing that out there, so let's hear everyone's thoughts on it!

Kind of an interesting take on things, isn't it?

 

[ICF]

Kind of an interesting take on things, isn't it?

It is....and all the more reason, he'll likely be the one to die Weds night.....

 

[DeluxePrincess]

It is....and all the more reason, he'll likely be the one to die Weds night.....

.....and I won't like it one bit!!

 

[Trish5768]

It is....and all the more reason, he'll likely be the one to die Weds night.....

I hope not. I really like Hurley. He makes me laugh.

 

[chell]

It is....and all the more reason, he'll likely be the one to die Weds night.....

That's what I'm afraid of, especially when they said it will be like when Charlie died.

 

[Amy]

Oh, I hope it's not Hurley who dies!! Why can't they get rid of Kate? She's become soooooo annoying this season!

Unfortunately, I think it'll be like all the season-ending cliffhangers - it'll look like someone dies, but we won't find out for absolute sure until January. I hope it's like when the freighter blew up and we all thought Jin had died.

 

[Amy]

DS17 missed Lost this week, so we re-watched it last night with him. Something is really bothering me about this episode: remember when they've got Sawyer and Juliet hand-cuffed in the control room and Radzinsky is beating up Sawyer to get him to tell them where the Hostiles are? Horace tried to intervene and get Radzinsky to stop, but Radzinsky told Horace that he wasn't in charge any more and something like "they" were trying to stop the Swan from being built, but it WILL be built.

Why is Radzinsky suddenly the guy in charge? I know Horace is kind of a laid-back hippie type, but he just caved in and didn't even argue when Radzinsky took over!

And with Radzinsky "going postal" like that, it doesn't sound like he's going to last much longer - somebody is going to kill him. Yet, if they don't change the past, then Radzinsky does live long enough for the Swan to be built and then kills himself.

So....have the Losties already started to change the past? What do you think?

 

[BriarfoxinWA]

After seeing Star Trek this weekend...I'm beginning to wonder if J.J. Abrams isn't going to use the same type of time travel theory. The Losties may change the past, then there will be an alternate reality in which the Losties exist but there also exists another one of each of them that goes on with their life as if the plane crash never happens. Because if they stop the SWAN from being built that is what will happen now.

 

[teddygurlkeekee]

After seeing Star Trek this weekend...I'm beginning to wonder if J.J. Abrams isn't going to use the same type of time travel theory. The Losties may change the past, then there will be an alternate reality in which the Losties exist but there also exists another one of each of them that goes on with their life as if the plane crash never happens. Because if they stop the SWAN from being built that is what will happen now.

I posted this exact same theory just a few posts back.

 

[disneyfav4ever]

Oh, I hope it's not Hurley who dies!! Why can't they get rid of Kate? She's become soooooo annoying this season!

Unfortunately, I think it'll be like all the season-ending cliffhangers - it'll look like someone dies, but we won't find out for absolute sure until January. I hope it's like when the freighter blew up and we all thought Jin had died.

I read somewhere that there'll be a lot of cliff hangers, and a lot of the character's fates will be in question.

 

[Amy]

Since everything on this show seems to be connected, what do you guys think of this?

Remember back before Ben turned the wheel in the Orchid - Locke, Ben and Hurley are traipsing thru the jungle. Locke wandered off and saw Horace (with a bleeding nose) chopping logs and he said he was building a cabin for his wife. Horace also told Locke to "find" him. Locke led Ben and Hurley to the pit where the bodies of the Dharma folks were dumped after the purge, Locke found Horace's body and pulled a piece of paper from his pocket.

Do you think that piece of paper might be whatever Sawyer wrote when Radzinsky gave him that notebook and told him to draw a map to where the Hostiles were? We know for sure that Sawyer would never give up Jack and Kate by drawing a map to where the Hostiles really were, so he must have drawn/written something else. Do you think there's a connection? Maybe Horace got that paper and it was so important that he carried it with him for years. Sawyer was head of security for 3 years, so he prob. knows a lot more about Dharmaville than anybody else.

 

[teddygurlkeekee]

tonight! Tonight! TONIGHT!!!!

 

[wvjules]

Is it just me or is the guy that plays Faraday a dead-ringer for playing Charlie Manson in a movie? As soon as I saw him I thought he looked like a younger Manson.

I have nothing else to add to this thread because this show makes my brain hurt.

 

[Trish5768]

Is it just me or is the guy that plays Faraday a dead-ringer for playing Charlie Manson in a movie? As soon as I saw him I thought he looked like a younger Manson.

I have nothing else to add to this thread because this show makes my brain hurt.

 

[Amy]

Is it just me or is the guy that plays Faraday a dead-ringer for playing Charlie Manson in a movie? As soon as I saw him I thought he looked like a younger Manson.

I have nothing else to add to this thread because this show makes my brain hurt.

I have a feeling that after tonight ALL of our brains are going to hurt for the next 8 months!

 

[ArelysAdriana]

I have a feeling that after tonight ALL of our brains are going to hurt for the next 8 months!

It didn't dawn on me how long I would have to wait for the next season until I saw it in writing.

I'm trying to figure out how I survived last year between seasons 4 and 5. I'm coming up blank

 

[beattyfamily]

Very interesting interview with 'Ben' on DarkUFO.com. He alludes that the smoke monster he encountered 'may not' be the one we've come to know.

You just have to hear it. It really sounds like he's hinting that Locke is not the same, that the smoke monster came maybe because of Locke (or controled by Locke) and how he doesn't like this 'new Locke'.

He also says that things don't 'feel right'.

I'm thinking more than ever that something isn't right with Locke now that he's died and alive again. I'm thinking he's on a whole new mission. Maybe even a sinister mission. I also think he's out for revenge on Ben.

Go listen to the interview.

I watched Ben and Hurley on The View today and Hurley said tonight we will learn why he went back to the island and where he got the guitar case from and what is in it.

That tonight is a game-changing show. We will be in shock and wonder how the show can even come back next year!

 

[bigmerle1966]

Anyone else seeing shades of "Pet Semetary" with Locke?

 

[CarolinaBlue]

Is it just me or is the guy that plays Faraday a dead-ringer for playing Charlie Manson in a movie? As soon as I saw him I thought he looked like a younger Manson.

I have nothing else to add to this thread because this show makes my brain hurt.

LOL! I thought the same thing the very first time I saw him!

I will be going into withdrawals next week. Good thing we're going to WDW and on that DCL cruise in a couple of weeks. It'll keep my mind busy for a little while.

 

[chell]

Did you all see this?

As Michael Emerson so impressively put it: The Lost finale will make you eat your soul. Also, stuff blows up, Jacob walks among us and we cry like crazy.

UGH!

I wondered why Rad thought he was in charge too.

I told some people at work that tomorrow I'll be a walking zombie with puffy eyes and a stuff nose.