Spinning down, but not quite rock bottom

spiraling

Earning My Ears
Joined
Jun 21, 2010
Messages
11
I am posting this under a different user name because I don't feel comfortable any other way. I have been on the Dis for quite awhile though and, until I can get a good therapist, I need to vent freely somewhere. Please, no flames. Keep in mind, it's always easier to see the obvious solutions when you aren't part of the problem. I'm part of the problem.

My husband and I have been married for over 10 years now, and we are working on our 8th move. We were hoping this would be the last one, but we can't afford the house DH wants. Several years ago, we built a house that turned out to be bigger than we planned, both in size and budget. Simply put, we couldn't afford the house. DH saw an opportunity for advancement with the company he worked for (mortgage lender for high risk borrowers) and decided this was our way out. We had already put the house up for sale prior to this "opportunity". Many family members begged him not to take the job since the housing crisis was at its beginning and they didn't think this job opportunity would be stable. DH wanted no part of that kind of conversation. Relocating put me at a huge disadvantage since I had to transfer schools (I was majoring in education at the time). I think he really wanted to transfer because he was embarrassed to say we couldn't afford the house we built.

Anyway, he took the job and we moved. I had a difficult time taking the classes I needed because of scheduling conflicts. We had no one willing to babysit the kids because both of them have special needs. I ended up having to change majors to a general studies major in order to graduate. In order to teach, I'll now have to go back to get an alternative certification, which I have applied for.

Less than 12 months after we relocated, the company closed up shop and DH was laid off. He was able to land another job at a retail bank in management, where he still works today. It was a huge paycut though. He has been there for a couple of years now and he transferred back to our hometown. The kids and I finished out the school year and are with him at his parents house (in a guest house, but more to come on this later). We are trying to sell our home but haven't had any lookers yet, much less any offers.

All of this frustrates me because I have literally followed DH around the country and back so he could pursue his "dreams". He is a good provider but he is an even better spender. Anytime we get a good chunk of money, he "needs" something for his car stereo, or he "needs" something for the house, or he says he "deserves" this new truck or those new golf clubs....you get the picture. When/if I say "no, we can't afford ____", he throws a fit any 2 year old would be envious of. The last time this happened, he told me I never support him and that I'm never "there for him". I honestly thought he was going to leave me if I didn't give in. In the last several years (well, ever since the house we built), I have given up on trying to manage our money or save any money. It hasn't done any good and my efforts are met with resistance, anger, and resentment anyway. Well, now we are penniless.

Since I graduated last month, and I can't get a teaching job yet, I decided to take any job I could land. I am working at a large retail department store in sales. I am way overqualified for it, and the pay sucks. At this point, we need any help we can get. I am still applying for better jobs in the meantime, as well as applying for grad school. DH has stopped short of openly mocking the job and gone so far as to say he doesn't think it is worth the trouble I'm going through for it.

Now on to the living arrangements. DH's younger brother lives on the same property as their parents. Several years ago, while DH and I lived 1000 miles away, we came in for a visit. I found some questionable material on the home computer. Being young and naive, I told myself that it was probably there accidentally since MIL was not very computer literate. Fast-forward a few years and I had to use BIL's computer (different pc) and I once again found the same type of material. I knew it was his, but I also knew that the in-laws would not believe me, or would defend him because he "doesn't know any better". Keep in mind, he is only a few years younger than me. Just a year later, my sister ran across BIL's pic on the sex offender registry for trying to rape a young child. In-laws lied about it completely and said it was a statutory rape charge. This happened years ago, prior to mandatory registration, and DH was overseas when it happened. We weren't dating yet. DH didn't know about this arrest. I drove to the district it occurred in and requested copies of the court transcripts. Btw, I love public records. BIL not only tried to rape a young child, she was a relative and under 3 years old. DH and I were sick. His parents hid this from us, even allowing us to leave our child in their care while that sick s.o.b. lived in the same home.

Recently, BIL got married. His now ex-wife found child porn on their home computer and started her own investigating. She found out about his prior arrest and left him. She told me the whole time she was with him, the rest of the family (excluding DH) told her I was a "witch" and that I didn't bring the kids over because I think I'm better than them. This just happened last year. In a nutshell, my bil is a pedophile, not that I didn't already know that. I am scared to death staying here, but I never leave my children unattended while we're here. I stay with them constantly, but on the inside, I don't even want to be around because they have lied to so many people about this. BIL doesn't have to register anymore due to the way the laws were written at the time of his arrest.

My sister says I should leave DH because he has mismanaged our money and put me in a situation where I have to choose having a roof over my head or the safety of my children. I'm scared that if bil gets caught with child porn on his pc again, the kids will be put into foster care since we are staying on the same property (although in a separate house). He was investigated by the feds last year and they let him go on the condition that he go into counseling. My guess is they didn't have enough on him. It didn't help their case that my in-laws trashed the computer and took it to a dump in another county. Found that out later, but couldn't prove it. I'm also angry that we are in this situation at all with our finances. DH never had debit card access to our "joint" account, which is the household account until he worked at the bank. He ordered a debit card for it, then lied and said he did it on accident. He never quit using it though. I could have canceled the card, but he had authority to order a new one right away. What do I do, threaten to leave? I hate to think of doing something so drastic when I don't think he means to be so irresponsible. He is a good dad and a good husband. He tries so hard to fix these things when they happen, and usually he does. These days, there is less money to fix things with though. Today was one of those days. I found out he took almost $300 to pay a speeding ticket. We needed that money desperately.

God bless you if you actually read this. Like I said, I mostly needed to vent. I get my first paycheck at my new job this week (I think, I hope) and I'm going to look for an affordable therapist, maybe one that charges based on income? I also think I need to go back on anti-depressants to help me stay more focused and grounded while I try to sort through this.
 
I'm speechless and sending hugs.

I thought I had problems and was here having myself a pity party tonight and then I read this. :( Sorry you all are going through this. I'm really sorry about your living conditions with you BIL. That is way more than scary to me.
 
I'm not sure what to say but there is no way I would live with my kids in that situation. :hug:
 
I am posting this under a different user name because I don't feel comfortable any other way. I have been on the Dis for quite awhile though and, until I can get a good therapist, I need to vent freely somewhere. Please, no flames. Keep in mind, it's always easier to see the obvious solutions when you aren't part of the problem. I'm part of the problem.

My husband and I have been married for over 10 years now, and we are working on our 8th move. We were hoping this would be the last one, but we can't afford the house DH wants. Several years ago, we built a house that turned out to be bigger than we planned, both in size and budget. Simply put, we couldn't afford the house. DH saw an opportunity for advancement with the company he worked for (mortgage lender for high risk borrowers) and decided this was our way out. We had already put the house up for sale prior to this "opportunity". Many family members begged him not to take the job since the housing crisis was at its beginning and they didn't think this job opportunity would be stable. DH wanted no part of that kind of conversation. Relocating put me at a huge disadvantage since I had to transfer schools (I was majoring in education at the time). I think he really wanted to transfer because he was embarrassed to say we couldn't afford the house we built.

Anyway, he took the job and we moved. I had a difficult time taking the classes I needed because of scheduling conflicts. We had no one willing to babysit the kids because both of them have special needs. I ended up having to change majors to a general studies major in order to graduate. In order to teach, I'll now have to go back to get an alternative certification, which I have applied for.

Less than 12 months after we relocated, the company closed up shop and DH was laid off. He was able to land another job at a retail bank in management, where he still works today. It was a huge paycut though. He has been there for a couple of years now and he transferred back to our hometown. The kids and I finished out the school year and are with him at his parents house (in a guest house, but more to come on this later). We are trying to sell our home but haven't had any lookers yet, much less any offers.

All of this frustrates me because I have literally followed DH around the country and back so he could pursue his "dreams". He is a good provider but he is an even better spender. Anytime we get a good chunk of money, he "needs" something for his car stereo, or he "needs" something for the house, or he says he "deserves" this new truck or those new golf clubs....you get the picture. When/if I say "no, we can't afford ____", he throws a fit any 2 year old would be envious of. The last time this happened, he told me I never support him and that I'm never "there for him". I honestly thought he was going to leave me if I didn't give in. In the last several years (well, ever since the house we built), I have given up on trying to manage our money or save any money. It hasn't done any good and my efforts are met with resistance, anger, and resentment anyway. Well, now we are penniless.

Since I graduated last month, and I can't get a teaching job yet, I decided to take any job I could land. I am working at a large retail department store in sales. I am way overqualified for it, and the pay sucks. At this point, we need any help we can get. I am still applying for better jobs in the meantime, as well as applying for grad school. DH has stopped short of openly mocking the job and gone so far as to say he doesn't think it is worth the trouble I'm going through for it.

Now on to the living arrangements. DH's younger brother lives on the same property as their parents. Several years ago, while DH and I lived 1000 miles away, we came in for a visit. I found some questionable material on the home computer. Being young and naive, I told myself that it was probably there accidentally since MIL was not very computer literate. Fast-forward a few years and I had to use BIL's computer (different pc) and I once again found the same type of material. I knew it was his, but I also knew that the in-laws would not believe me, or would defend him because he "doesn't know any better". Keep in mind, he is only a few years younger than me. Just a year later, my sister ran across BIL's pic on the sex offender registry for trying to rape a young child. In-laws lied about it completely and said it was a statutory rape charge. This happened years ago, prior to mandatory registration, and DH was overseas when it happened. We weren't dating yet. DH didn't know about this arrest. I drove to the district it occurred in and requested copies of the court transcripts. Btw, I love public records. BIL not only tried to rape a young child, she was a relative and under 3 years old. DH and I were sick. His parents hid this from us, even allowing us to leave our child in their care while that sick s.o.b. lived in the same home.

Recently, BIL got married. His now ex-wife found child porn on their home computer and started her own investigating. She found out about his prior arrest and left him. She told me the whole time she was with him, the rest of the family (excluding DH) told her I was a "witch" and that I didn't bring the kids over because I think I'm better than them. This just happened last year. In a nutshell, my bil is a pedophile, not that I didn't already know that. I am scared to death staying here, but I never leave my children unattended while we're here. I stay with them constantly, but on the inside, I don't even want to be around because they have lied to so many people about this. BIL doesn't have to register anymore due to the way the laws were written at the time of his arrest.

My sister says I should leave DH because he has mismanaged our money and put me in a situation where I have to choose having a roof over my head or the safety of my children. I'm scared that if bil gets caught with child porn on his pc again, the kids will be put into foster care since we are staying on the same property (although in a separate house). He was investigated by the feds last year and they let him go on the condition that he go into counseling. My guess is they didn't have enough on him. It didn't help their case that my in-laws trashed the computer and took it to a dump in another county. Found that out later, but couldn't prove it. I'm also angry that we are in this situation at all with our finances. DH never had debit card access to our "joint" account, which is the household account until he worked at the bank. He ordered a debit card for it, then lied and said he did it on accident. He never quit using it though. I could have canceled the card, but he had authority to order a new one right away. What do I do, threaten to leave? I hate to think of doing something so drastic when I don't think he means to be so irresponsible. He is a good dad and a good husband. He tries so hard to fix these things when they happen, and usually he does. These days, there is less money to fix things with though. Today was one of those days. I found out he took almost $300 to pay a speeding ticket. We needed that money desperately.

God bless you if you actually read this. Like I said, I mostly needed to vent. I get my first paycheck at my new job this week (I think, I hope) and I'm going to look for an affordable therapist, maybe one that charges based on income? I also think I need to go back on anti-depressants to help me stay more focused and grounded while I try to sort through this.

The safety of my children would trump my marriage. Forcing me to live on the same property as a pedophile BIL would be too much for me to bear.

As far as the other stuff.....

The time for "threats" is over. You need an attorney. I am with your sister on this one.

Getting therapy is probably wise.:hug:
 

Thank you both. Even as I typed it, it seems more clear to me. I have been made to feel irrational for feeling the way I do about the whole bil situation. Typing that feels just as insane as it must seem to anyone else reading it. I feel like I have been brainwashed. I think DH knows this isn't good any way you look at it. My poor daughter doesn't understand why I always freak out over stuff related to inlaws. They put on quite the perfect show for everyone.
 
The safety of my children would trump my marriage. Forcing me to live on the same property as a pedophile BIL would be too much for me to bear.

As far as the other stuff.....

The time for "threats" is over. You need an attorney. I am with your sister on this one.

Getting therapy is probably wise.:hug:

Thank you for your honesty. My sis recommended getting an attorney during our phone conversation tonight. Again, as crazy as it sounds, it is harder to see the clarity of this being on the inside. That is why I mentioned the therapist.
 
well, just to throw a wrench in things...IF you were to separate/divorce, would your kids have to go back to visitation there since your DH is there? Or would the courts protect your kids? Since the laws are different now and all...I'm wondering if they'd force you to allow them to go there w/o you there to protect them.
 
well, just to throw a wrench in things...IF you were to separate/divorce, would your kids have to go back to visitation there since your DH is there? Or would the courts protect your kids? Since the laws are different now and all...I'm wondering if they'd force you to allow them to go there w/o you there to protect them.

That is my biggest fear. I feel like I have some control on the inside, so to speak. I have no idea how things would work. I think that is what has stopped me from taking any action before. I have no proof of the past child porn on the computers, especially since they destroyed the last computer it was on.

ETA: MIL has started asking if she can take DD on out of town trips with her. Her sister is beginning to tell her all about "grandparent rights" and that I can't keep the children from her. I never have tried to keep the kids from her, I just never let them come over without me being present.
 
I agree with others. Kids first. Your living in a dangerous situation. Your husband is an adult and can make his own choices. You need to be your child's advocate.

I won't say you need to get divorced, I don't know about your relationship; however you need to move. Forget the government taking the kids from your house--the fact that BIL is sick in the head, and so are you in-laws for covering for him. If you move out, and your husband is worth anything--he will follow you. If not, I guess you have your answer about divorce.
 
well, just to throw a wrench in things...IF you were to separate/divorce, would your kids have to go back to visitation there since your DH is there? Or would the courts protect your kids? Since the laws are different now and all...I'm wondering if they'd force you to allow them to go there w/o you there to protect them.

Yes there is that chance. It is terrible to think about that.
 
That is my biggest fear. I feel like I have some control on the inside, so to speak. I have no idea how things would work. I think that is what has stopped me from taking any action before. I have no proof of the past child porn on the computers, especially since they destroyed the last computer it was on.

ETA: MIL has started asking if she can take DD on out of town trips with her. Her sister is beginning to tell her all about "grandparent rights" and that I can't keep the children from her. I never have tried to keep the kids from her, I just never let them come over without me being present.



UGH. I thought of your ETA as I was typing...I thought about cases where people sue for grand-parental rights but did not mention it because I know nothing about it except it exists.
 
I agree...leave

that being said I am sure its "easier said than done" I have no doubt that you love your DH and you stated he is a good dad, but for the sake of your children, I honestly think I would leave.

The BIL thing is scary enough but your inlaws are nuts!! they need to get that man some flipping help!! not help him hide the horriable things he has (or god forbid) will do. My goodness how can they live with themselfs :confused3

I feel for you, you have a bumpy road ahead, but good luck and god bless with all of it :grouphug:
 
UGH. I thought of your ETA as I was typing...I thought about cases where people sue for grand-parental rights but did not mention it because I know nothing about it except it exists.

Yes and Mil hasn't brought up the legal rights as of yet. I am close with other family members (who have also married into the craziness) and this is what they tell me is said behind my back.

Also, the poor little girl that bil tried to rape has been ostracized from the family and the parents divorced over it. I have since been told the mom was only in it to get money. Almost no one speaks to them or has anything to do with them since it happened, which was quite a few years ago. To my knowledge, bil has not physically assaulted another child, but I do know he has had possession of illegal child porn as recently as a year and a half ago. And it is an ongoing problem. To me, he is a very real danger to those around him.
 
If you leave and MIL brings up the "granparents rights" I would tell her fine when we are in court I will bring my reasons for not wanting my children here without me.... She seems to have worked so hard to cover everything up, most likely she would not want it brought up in court...just a thought
 
You need to put you and your children first, your husband has proven time and time again that he will not do this.


He lies about money, belittles you, and has led you to live on property where a pedophile lives. This is not love, this is not care, this is doing whatever he wants whenever he wants and that is unacceptable.


Do you have any family you can go live with? Do NOT put your paycheck in the joint account.


Please don't stay with this man, his entire family is very dysfunctional and you don't need your children around that, especially special needs children. I would talk to an attorney and show them copies of the BIL's prior crime and tell them what happened with the computer. I would bet there is child porn on the home computer right this minute. If your husband can't keep his hands on any money, he probably won't have money to fight you about visitation. I would ask an attorney if it was legal to move to another state?


Do look into counseling based on income, you do need a support system. I am so glad you came here and vented, you need to get your feelings out :hug:.
 
If you leave and MIL brings up the "granparents rights" I would tell her fine when we are in court I will bring my reasons for not wanting my children here without me.... She seems to have worked so hard to cover everything up, most likely she would not want it brought up in court...just a thought

Very true. Good point. I guess my fear is that DH would get visitation and then leave them here with the inlaws. I don't think there is anything I could do to stop him.

You need to put you and your children first, your husband has proven time and time again that he will not do this.


He lies about money, belittles you, and has led you to live on property where a pedophile lives. This is not love, this is not care, this is doing whatever he wants whenever he wants and that is unacceptable.


Do you have any family you can go live with? Do NOT put your paycheck in the joint account.


Please don't stay with this man, his entire family is very dysfunctional and you don't need your children around that, especially special needs children. I would talk to an attorney and show them copies of the BIL's prior crime and tell them what happened with the computer. I would bet there is child porn on the home computer right this minute. If your husband can't keep his hands on any money, he probably won't have money to fight you about visitation. I would ask an attorney if it was legal to move to another state?


Do look into counseling based on income, you do need a support system. I am so glad you came here and vented, you need to get your feelings out :hug:.

Thank you and I bet you're right about that being on his computer right now. He is engaged again, but they have the new girl completely snowed. I know she thinks I'm nuts the way I act. I have as little as possible to do with either of them because I don't want anyone pointing fingers at me when it all hits the fan (yep, they partially blame me for the bil's exwife discovering "the secret".) There is no telling what she has been told about me. But the one thing my inlaws do seem to come up with when it comes to defending bil is money. They would happily provide DH the funds to fight me if it comes to that. I am making calls to counselors in the morning or on my lunch break tomorrow. I have to get this sorted out.
 
Wow, I am so, so sorry to hear about this situation. While I am not advocating a divorce, you and your children cant stay in that situation. Unfortunately pedophiles cannot ever be trusted and no matter how much you keep your guard up your children are at risk. I would go stay with family somewhere else if possible. I would also contact an attorney, I am sure if you venture down this road, at the very least you can have it written in that he cant leave them with the in-laws unattended. If it were me, I would cash that check and get myself and my kids somewhere else, catch my breath and then evaluate the steps to come.

Hugs and prayers your way:hug:
 
ETA: MIL has started asking if she can take DD on out of town trips with her. Her sister is beginning to tell her all about "grandparent rights" and that I can't keep the children from her.

Two thoughts.

Why are words being put in MIL's ear that make it sound like divorce is coming? Is your husband up to something?

Also, right or wrong, when I hear of someone acting inappropriately (to say the least) with children, I always ALWAYS wonder about that person's parents. With BIL doing what he did, and knowing that so many people do those things many many times before they are caught, I would be seriously wondering if he started doing those things all on his own, or did he learn them somewhere. No way would I want my kid to be along with his parents.



He lies about money, belittles you, and has led you to live on property where a pedophile lives. This is not love, this is not care, this is doing whatever he wants whenever he wants and that is unacceptable. [/COLOR][/FONT]

Agreed.

Very true. Good point. I guess my fear is that DH would get visitation and then leave them here with the inlaws. I don't think there is anything I could do to stop him.



Thank you and I bet you're right about that being on his computer right now. He is engaged again, but they have the new girl completely snowed. I know she thinks I'm nuts the way I act. I have as little as possible to do with either of them because I don't want anyone pointing fingers at me when it all hits the fan (yep, they partially blame me for the bil's exwife discovering "the secret".) There is no telling what she has been told about me. But the one thing my inlaws do seem to come up with when it comes to defending bil is money. They would happily provide DH the funds to fight me if it comes to that. I am making calls to counselors in the morning or on my lunch break tomorrow. I have to get this sorted out.


Oh gosh, I bet if the BIL stuff could be proved, it could be put into the visitation orders...

You found the arrest info out online, yes? How about a printout handed to the new fiancee? No reason to keep this a secret, seriously. I mean, why would you? His family is behaving irrationally, unhealthily, sneakily, and all sorts of other adverbs...it's all inappropriate to keep it hidden. Don't take part in it too.

Also, since you know it was on the computer before, why not call the cops? Just having that stuff on your computer is grounds for legal action...and if he has it in his past...



BIL stuff aside, I'm sorry that your husband has treated you in this way. He's not helping to take care of you, and that's not a fun way to live.
 
You say DH is a good dad and husband, so give him a chance to prove it. Take him to a nice neutral place (restaurant with just the two of you comes to mind), and tell him what you stated here. Explain that the future has changes involved, and if he want's to be part of it:

1. He must agree to move immediately, even to an apartment, but it must be now.
2. He has to give up control of the household money. He will be allotted a certain amount of "fun money" once the budget is under control.
3. He must attend counseling sessions with you.

If he is truly a good guy as you mentioned, he will agree in the interest of his family and your relationship. Sometimes we men need to get to the brink to realize how much we love our wives, and how much we take them for granted.

If he is just in it for convenience, you'll find out that you need to go the attorney route.

The BIL is sick and will not get the help he needs, so don't waste your time trying to fix that. Just get your kids out and away from him, NOW!

Prayers sent for you to have strength and hopefully a good outcome to this trying situation.
 
You say DH is a good dad and husband, so give him a chance to prove it. Take him to a nice neutral place (restaurant with just the two of you comes to mind), and tell him what you stated here. Explain that the future has changes involved, and if he want's to be part of it:

1. He must agree to move immediately, even to an apartment, but it must be now.
2. He has to give up control of the household money. He will be allotted a certain amount of "fun money" once the budget is under control.
3. He must attend counseling sessions with you.

If he is truly a good guy as you mentioned, he will agree in the interest of his family and your relationship. Sometimes we men need to get to the brink to realize how much we love our wives, and how much we take them for granted.

If he is just in it for convenience, you'll find out that you need to go the attorney route.

The BIL is sick and will not get the help he needs, so don't waste your time trying to fix that. Just get your kids out and away from him, NOW!

Prayers sent for you to have strength and hopefully a good outcome to this trying situation.

Going to agree with my Fellow DisDad, with a few Caveats...

"Grandparents Rights"---well, they need to check their Supreme Court Rulings on that---however, you are correct that your husband could allow time with them when/if he has visitation. A BIL with a conviction for, what I'm assuming is "Aggravated Child Molestation" as well as an Order from a Federal Magistrate for counselling will certainly be plenty of Ammo for your attorney.

If DH balks at all: Get an Attorney--Yesterday, Day Before, NOW.....do not wait, do not delay. Protect yourself, and your children. I'm guessing you already know this...

I get this read: DH ain't gonna' change...I think you already know this too. Sounds like he's a bit spoiled and Mommy and Daddy coddle him like they obviously coddle and cater to BIL---they're Enablers....get away, far, far away.

Can't stand to see grown men behave like this, but I've seen it over and over again in 18 years of Law Enforcement. He really needs a good butt kickin'.

I hate to say it, but it sounds to me like the quicker you pull the "Eject Handle" the better off you will be....

Really hoping for the best for you:wizard:
 


Disney Vacation Planning. Free. Done for You.
Our Authorized Disney Vacation Planners are here to provide personalized, expert advice, answer every question, and uncover the best discounts. Let Dreams Unlimited Travel take care of all the details, so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy a stress-free vacation.
Start Your Disney Vacation
Disney EarMarked Producer






DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest DIS Tiktok DIS Twitter

Add as a preferred source on Google

Back
Top Bottom