Sometimes this really ticks me off!

[bambootinker]

wic is not just given to all families with children under a certain age-there is a medical requirement that doctors must verify which is submitted along with the income verification.

Wic is pushed on every woman. And the income level is relatively high. We qualified, and we both worked full-time. We chose to just live within our means instead.

 

[hentob]

wic is not just given to all families with children under a certain age-there is a medical requirement that doctors must verify which is submitted along with the income verification.

This is true.

All a doctor has to write is "...at nutritional risk due to income" or "poor diet". That is it. Anyone can apply and get it if they fall within the income guidelines.

Per the WIC website:

"Nutrition risk" means that an individual has medical-based or dietary-based conditions. Examples of medical-based conditions include anemia (low blood levels), underweight, or history of poor pregnancy outcome. A dietary-based condition includes, for example, a poor diet.

I know people who are perfectly able to buy their own formula, food, cereal, milk, etc. They are healthy. They are thrilled that someone is willing to pick up the tab for the above. They apply for WIC, have the doctor sign off and are always approved.

Hey, every little bit helps when you are planning a vacation

 

[Tikitoi]

Flame away!!!! I'm getting tired of having to fill out proof of income forms for employees to get food stamps, help w housing and free insurance for their kids. Yeah I'm in a pissy mood. These guys wives don't work come in here with a kid on their hip another one in the car and usually one on the way. I don't wish ill on these children I just get fed up with working full time and my DH works full time and he has a side business and I'm working a part-time job. I want to scream at these young women GET A JOB!!! STOP HAVING BABIES!!! I'd rather you get free/or reduced birth control than all this other crap your getting. My kids have insurance and it is costing my husband an arm and a leg. My employer covers me so he doesn't have that expense. I'm sorry but we're busting our butts off to make ends meet and too many people aren't doing their share. There I said it.

You don't like it, you get another job. Otherwise, that's your job, so just do it. Keep your opinion to yourself. You don't know their situation. You just ASSume. And NO, I don't say this because of living like this (couldn't afford 2 vacations per year living like that) but I certainly do know people who live like that. And again, you don't know their situation. And bottomline, it's none of your business. Try to have a nice day at work.

 

[barkley]

KWYM. My aunt used to work for social services. It peeved her that people would come in with older relatives and apply for social services. These are people who never worked a day in their lives in the US. Yes their son/daughter might be working in the US and paying taxes and social security but they themselves never did. Their son/daughter agrees to "sponsor" them to come to the US--accepting full financial responsibility for them--and then BAM after they are here a little while they start asking for and usually receiving benefits.

we had a MAJOR problem with this in california-only it was'nt family members who were doing it-it was private unrelated individuals in collusion with major mainstream churches. the churches knew all the rules so they would get a sponsor to do all the paperwork accepting financial responibility but have it set up such that the moment a foreign family set down on u.s. soil (at the airport) the church rep. would be there with the paperwork claiming the sponsor had fallen on hard financial times and could'nt uphold their obligation. the next day the church transported the family to our offices to file applications for assistance.

dss finaly said 'enough' and started requiring those sponsors to provide the same level of financial verifications to show decreased income and assetts as they had used to substantiate their sponsorships (and those were extensive)-and were agressive in pointing out to the sponsors and the churches what the implications of purgering gov. forms and statements could result in. subsequently the number of applicants plummeted

 

[4cruisin]

You don't like it, you get another job. Otherwise, that's your job, so just do it. Keep your opinion to yourself. You don't know their situation. You just ASSume. And NO, I don't say this because of living like this (couldn't afford 2 vacations per year living like that) but I certainly do know people who live like that. And again, you don't know their situation. And bottomline, it's none of your business. Try to have a nice day at work.

Wow.

The op already has a job, unlike the baby mommies that are coming in trying to beat the system. I know exactly how she feels.

Maybe you are one of those playing the system? This thread seems to have hit a nerve with you.

 

[bambootinker]

Tikitoi seems to believe her opinion outweighs everyone else's right to one. I'd also figure that if the OP is filling out the financial forms, she probably DOES know their situations.

 

[hentob]

Keep your opinion to yourself.

OP--Please don't keep your opinion to yourself. I am sure it is very difficult to do what you do--Day after day.

 

[mickeysgal]

You don't like it, you get another job. Otherwise, that's your job, so just do it. Keep your opinion to yourself. You don't know their situation. You just ASSume. And NO, I don't say this because of living like this (couldn't afford 2 vacations per year living like that) but I certainly do know people who live like that. And again, you don't know their situation. And bottomline, it's none of your business. Try to have a nice day at work.

Why should the OP keep her opinion to herself? You had no problem posting yours.

 

[simpilotswife]

Why should the OP keep her opinion to herself? You had no problem posting yours.

Actually it sounds to me like she does payroll or has access to payroll info which one would hope she would keep confidential. Apparently making generalizations to thousands of people on a public forum doesn't count as breaking confidentiality.

 

[4cruisin]

Actually it sounds to me like she does payroll or has access to payroll info which one would hope she would keep confidential. Apparently making generalizations to thousands of people on a public forum doesn't count as breaking confidentiality.

To me it's confidential as long as the op doesn't include names etc. It was all generalizations.

 

[tileman]

You don't like it, you get another job. Otherwise, that's your job, so just do it. Keep your opinion to yourself. You don't know their situation. You just ASSume. And NO, I don't say this because of living like this (couldn't afford 2 vacations per year living like that) but I certainly do know people who live like that. And again, you don't know their situation. And bottomline, it's none of your business. Try to have a nice day at work.

The hit dog yelps..............

 

[ozarkmom]

I understand were you are coming from we have a small Company and have a few guys that make or should I say bring home around $700.00 to $800.00
a week.

But are always broke But they will tell you what a good time they had at or near the bar or some place.

We try to work 5 or 6 days a week steady and sometimes at night but a lot of these guys do not want over time or or more hours.

And also these guys have wives or live in girlfriends who do not work and most of them are in the age of 22 to mid 40 and they all talk about I wish I had this or that ........... Well get your [edit] in gear and you will get it.

They spend more time trying to (work) the system then trying to work a paying job.........

Me and my wife started our Company in 1990 and its still going strong today (we do Commercial tile & epoxy floors) the first 7 years I worked at lest 60 to 70 hr per week just to build up our name.

And also we took our first vacation for 4 days & night back in 2000 of dec too WDW

I found out hard work will payoff.

Ron.

This is what I'm talking about. I've worked here a long time. These guys make good money. They could really do well if their wives/girlfriends would help. I know most of their situations it's a small company and a small town. Most of the employees I'm talking about are going to the bar and blowing their paychecks yet they need help making ends meet. I'm the first person to help someone who needs help. We've had some truly sad situations in this company that I've been glad to help with. I'm talking about people who are taking advantage and abusing a system that is already stretched and I'm not the only one that feels this way.

 

[TomLovesBecky]

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See - I don't quite understand this.. At least in the areas I have lived in, life on welfare and food stamps is nothing that anyone would actually look "forward" to - or go out of their way to obtain.. Housing is horrendous- not to mention in the most dangerous of areas; food stamp allowances are extremely low; very few doctors will accept Medicaid, so getting decent health care is next to impossible; clothing allowances are basically zero - or pretty close to it; lots of restrictions on what you can or can't have; no extra money to spend as one chooses; etc.. It's an ugly life - and I just can't imagine that there are tons of people who would choose to live that way if there were other options available.. The word "budgeting" takes on a whole new meaning if you're unfortunate enough to have to rely on welfare and food stamps..

I know it's a life I wouldn't "choose" - basically it isn't a "life".. It's just barely existing from day to day..

Ann, it's pretty obvious to me that you aren't aware of the usual scam around my area...not so much in my town but the next town over, OH BOY...
Get pregnant as a teen, drop out of school, live on welfare...then get a boyfriend who works construction or some other decent job but don't marry him...he lives with you but you don't report his income. You still get welfare, food stamps, free medical care for your kids, the whole nine yards. You also get to eat steak, wear designer clothes, drive a fancy car, have your hair and nails done all the time, buy your kids expensive toys, and not work. I know of a dozen families who fit this description, and no they are not the least bit ashamed. If they are confronted they will say, "Well Darrell isn't the father of my oldest three so he isn't responsible for supporting them." No, honey...let the state do that...don't bother to work, and since their fathers are either deadbeats or paying you cash not reported to the state, you aren't worried about that reducing your benefits. Yes, girls will actually tell you their plan is to do all this, and grown women will brag about it. They call their welfare checks "paychecks" as if they've earned them and think the government OWES them the money. They never stop to think where the government GETS the money (from us poor working schmucks), not that they would care. They have no plans to ever get off welfare, and they share information about how to milk the next program when the others dry up or when they're cut off after a certain period of time. Having another baby to stay on the dole is completely acceptable to them. They are angry at the mere suggestion the government would cut them off, too. Cruel, coldhearted politicians want their kids to starve! Yep, this is the exact mentality of a lot of people in this country. Be thankful you haven't encountered it, because it's infuriating.

 

[ozarkmom]

So does this place that you all work not offer insurance? It's hard to tell from your post but it seems as though the employees can't get insurance through work for their kids, is that correct? If the women get a part-time job, they probably won't be eligible for insurance, either. So I could see why they might need insurance through the state if that's the case.

Yes we offer insurance our employer covers our insurance and then if you want family coverage you pay for them. That's why I mentioned my husband covers our children and I'm covered at work.

 

[TomLovesBecky]

Actually it sounds to me like she does payroll or has access to payroll info which one would hope she would keep confidential. Apparently making generalizations to thousands of people on a public forum doesn't count as breaking confidentiality.

NO, it doesn't. I can complain about jerk patients all I want as long as identifying information isn't used, so she can gripe about freeloaders as long as she isn't posting identifying information. I would have thought this was common sense, but I guess not.

 

[bambootinker]

Actually it sounds to me like she does payroll or has access to payroll info which one would hope she would keep confidential. Apparently making generalizations to thousands of people on a public forum doesn't count as breaking confidentiality.

They are pretty wide generalizations. That would be like saying I can't talk about how irritated I am that families don't feed their kids before sending them to school. Should that be confidential? In other words I think you are stretching it.

 

[TomLovesBecky]

Wic is pushed on every woman. And the income level is relatively high. We qualified, and we both worked full-time. We chose to just live within our means instead.

I disagree. Never once was I offered WIC when I had any of my children. No one in the OB's office mentioned it and neither did the pediatrician. Not once.

 

[bambootinker]

I disagree. Never once was I offered WIC when I had any of my children. No one in the OB's office mentioned it and neither did the pediatrician. Not once.

It may be the Appalachian area that I live in, then. I know that it was also the first thing we suggested when I worked at PP years ago.

 

[DisneyMommyMichelle]

I disagree. Never once was I offered WIC when I had any of my children. No one in the OB's office mentioned it and neither did the pediatrician. Not once.

Yeah, not here either and I have 3 kids. It's not like a door prize.

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

Way to generalize a whole group of people. I'm thankful I don't work for you. I can just imagine how wonderful you are to work with when your attitude toward those beneath you is so endearing.

Considering you don't know their personal situation, did you ever think that maybe they would be better off staying at home considering the price of daycare. With a minimum wage job, even a cheap daycare is going to be out of budget. Who knows, maybe these women are doing schooling online while at home.

There seems to be this mentality going around of complaining about having to help out the "bums that don't want to get a job", but people also don't want to help them advance their situation. It seems to be, either be as fortunate as I am, or prepare to rot in poverty the rest of your lives. What a horrid mentality to have.