Something is Wrong with Voting in Ohio

[yeartolate]

How is this voter supression? Is the implication that people bring in returned mail and indicate the voter is not valid because they don't live where they said they did? If they don't live in a district, it doesn't seem like they should vote there. I would say they'd have to provide information on their current residence. My husband's name is still on the roles in PA even though he's lived in Maryland for 13 years...doesn't mean he should vote there (although it's been tempting for him in the past...his vote would count more there)

So if youare not home to sign for it and cannot get to a post office because you work two jobs to live......that is ok?

 

[yeartolate]

The first one is talking about Florida...which clearly has a really messed up voting system. I would be all for overhauling the whole darned thing to get rid of both chads and felons...the second link didn't work for me.

They got rid of the felons and thousands more.......

 

[LaraK]

So if youare not home to sign for it and cannot get to a post office because you work two jobs to live......that is ok?

I work full time and somehow found the time to change my address. If you don't change your address, how are you getting your bills? How do you have your kids in the right school? It's part of your individual responsibility to change your address...I don't consider lack of doing what you are supposed to do "voter suppression"

 

[rie'smom]

I work full time and somehow found the time to change my address. If you don't change your address, how are you getting your bills? How do you have your kids in the right school? It's part of your individual responsibility to change your address...I don't consider lack of doing what you are supposed to do "voter suppression"

Absolutely!

 

[Kat73]

That is crazy. Ohio is messed up. I haven't lived there for almost ten years, and yet every time I go home my mother informs me that I'm still getting stuff in the mail, and am on the list at the voting place. When I moved out of state i did the postal thing and called the voters people thing and even though I've been voting in KY all t his time, I'm still registered to vote there.

For the record when I did live there, we always had to show a photo ID. No clue what's going on now though. I'm not asking my Mom either or she'll want to tell me six or ten more times how I should get on the phone and spend half a day trying to get someone in Ohio to listen to me that I live in Kentucky. LOL

 

[Island_Lauri]

Something is Wrong with Voting in Ohio

Rip Van Winkle, is that you? Did you just wake up in 2008? Did you miss all that was Wrong with Voting in Ohio in 2004?


If that is the case, you might want to check out:

Evidence of Fraud and Disenfranchisement in Ohio, 2004 : A Partial List
This post is intended as a resource for those doing factual research on the Ohio election 2004, specifically relating to issues of (a) fraud, (b) disenfranchisment, (c) voter suppression, (d) recount obstruction, and (e) vote machine tampering. It makes no pretense at comprehensiveness, but is merely an attempt to compile links which have been posted on this site or on my blog, http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com, which either (1) are themselves primary sources of evidence, or (2) summarize, analyze, or point to, such sources.

http://ohioelection2004.com/evidence.htm


Here's a couple of highlights (or lowlights as the case may be):

Ohio now refusing to count provisional ballots
Incredibly, Blackwell is now refusing to count many of the provisional ballots in Cuyahoga County:

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/985

And so the sorting and discarding of Kerry votes begins --by Bob Fitrakis "Are the provisional ballots in Ohio being thrown out? A new rule for counting provisional ballots in Cuyahoga County, Ohio was implemented on Tuesday, November 9 at approximately 2:30 in the afternoon, according to election observer Victoria Lovegren. The new ruling in Cuyahoga County mandates that provisional ballots in yellow packets must be 'Rejected' if there is no 'date of birth' on the packet. The Free Press obtained copies of the original 'Provisional Verification Procedure' from Cuyahoga County which stated 'Date of birth is not mandatory and should not reject a provisional ballot.' The original procedure required the voter's name, address and a signature that matched the signature in the county's database."

.....

Columbus Cleveland data

I, RICHARD HAYES PHILLIPS, do swear and affirm the following:

I am a natural born citizen of the United States of America, and a registered voter. I hold a Ph.D. in geomorphology from the University of Oregon. I am a professional hydrologist and am well versed in standard techniques of statistical analysis, with special expertise in spotting anomalous data. I have analyzed unofficial results from the 2004 general election in Columbus and Cleveland.

There is compelling evidence of systematic withholding of voting machines from predominantly Democratic wards in Columbus, many of them with high black populations. This action severely restricted voter turnout in these wards, and cost John F. Kerry upwards of 17,000 votes.

Franklin County Board of Elections Director Matt Damschroder is known to have made this decision, and he is known to have met with Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell and President George W. Bush in Columbus on Election Day.

In Gahanna, Franklin County, Ward 1, Precinct B, where 638 ballots were cast, George W. Bush was awarded 4,258 votes. John F. Kerry received 260 votes. There were 87 reported write-in votes, compared to zero in the rest of the ward, 13 in the rest of Gahanna. Such discrepancies can only be found through time-consuming precinct by precinct analysis.

There is compelling evidence of incorrect presidential vote tallies in numerous precincts in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County. These irregularities include wholesale shifting of votes from one candidates column to another, and serious underreporting of the vote totals. These actions cost John F. Kerry at least 6,000 votes, by conservative estimate.

There are demonstrable discrepancies in the reported numbers of total ballots cast in Cuyahoga County. These discrepancies include cities and towns with more ballots cast than the number of registered voters; and cities and towns in which the reported voter turnout, though less than the number of registered voters, is greater than the sum total of ballots cast in all of its wards. These discrepancies amount to 246,919 votes, and call into question all the results in Cuyahoga County. The numbers are compromised and not to be trusted.

Supporting documentation is being provided to the court.

As of this writing there are still 248,100 uncounted ballots in Ohio, including 155,428 provisional ballots, and 92,672 ballots cast but still uncounted. George W. Bush holds a lead of only 136,483 votes in the unofficial count, not taking into consideration any of the above listed activities and discrepancies or any others that may yet be found. Furthermore, a statewide recount is still pending.

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/11/columbus-cleveland-data.html

 

[TLSnell1981]

I actually have no problem with this.

But there should be a way for people to easily obtain the records they need to obtain the proof. It took me 6 weeks and a chunk of cash to obtain my birth certificate. I have no desire to have people who are unqualified to vote to cast a ballot. But obtaining the ID necessary should be easy and either free or very cheap.

Wow! Why was it so difficult to get a BC? Where I live....it takes a drive downtown and costs $7 for the short form and $12 for the long form.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Rip Van Winkle, is that you? Did you just wake up in 2008?

Thanks for posting this. I haven't been called any names today by a democrat.

 

[rie'smom]

Rip Van Winkle, is that you? Did you just wake up in 2008? Did you miss all that was Wrong with Voting in Ohio in 2004?

Nice

 

[Aristomommy]

Situation in Ohio:

A friend of mine went to renew his driver's license last week. He is a permanent resident with a green card. The person assisting him asked if he wanted to register to vote. He declined, since he is not a citizen. The lady kept lecturing him on the importance of voting, how he is not doing his duty etc. etc. After declining two times, he said "fine" thinking the system would prevent registration. Not so, he is now registered to vote!!! He is not going to vote, because of the possible penalties for fraud, but how can the BMV register a non-citizen???? No wonder Ohio is in big trouble....maybe other states too.

 

[Took]

Again, I agree...I believe mandatory proof of identity is a first step. What would you recommend?

Need more polling machines and workers in areas where we believe voter turn-out might be particularly high this election as opposed to last election.

As I understand it, what happens is that the (too few) machines/workers available are sent to places with higher turnout during the last election. The problem with this strategy is that when (as in this time) more turn out in previously "low" areas of voter turnout, the lines get long, folks don't or can't check suspicious info, etc.

As a vote registrar for IL and the daughter of two poll workers in TN, I see the problems we have had (in 2000) with this scenario and with scenarios like it in the current election. Also, there have been (and could be again) problems with machines not counting votes or with votes being "lost" (either, intentionally or otherwise).

We've had EIGHT years to correct many of these problems but, imho, we've done far too little. We've wasted money on other projects that needed to be put into updating and expanding election machinery and workers.

I only PRAY that we do not see the 2000 election, again. THings could get ugly.

And, yes, we must see both voter fraud and election fraud (and errors) has an American problem. It's really crazy that in this day and age, we can't find a way to track votes better than we do now.

took

 

[Took]

That is crazy. Ohio is messed up. I haven't lived there for almost ten years, and yet every time I go home my mother informs me that I'm still getting stuff in the mail, and am on the list at the voting place. When I moved out of state i did the postal thing and called the voters people thing and even though I've been voting in KY all t his time, I'm still registered to vote there.

For the record when I did live there, we always had to show a photo ID. No clue what's going on now though. I'm not asking my Mom either or she'll want to tell me six or ten more times how I should get on the phone and spend half a day trying to get someone in Ohio to listen to me that I live in Kentucky. LOL

You know, I too, have experienced this. I received a letter demanding that I serve on jury duty in TN, which I haven't lived in since 1997 (!). I did change my address, my Driver's License, my voter's registration, etc. EVERY time I moved (four times since leaving TN). The jury folks, indeed Davidson County (nashville) TN, still had me listed as living with my parents (my "official address" when I was in grad school). Crazy.

took

 

[Island_Lauri]

Thanks for posting this. I haven't been called any names today by a democrat.

As a politician or two has been known to say: "If my remarks were in any way offensive, I'm sorry"

It was simply meant as a reference to missing a vast span of time and being unaware of what had occured during that time frame.

 

[TLSnell1981]

As a politician or two has been known to say: "If my remarks were in any way offensive, I'm sorry"

It was simply meant as a reference to missing a vast span of time and being unaware of what had occured during that time frame.

Say it ain't so, IL.....there you go.....pointing backwards again....now doggone it. We are trying to talk about the present.

 

[yeartolate]

Wow! Why was it so difficult to get a BC? Where I live....it takes a drive downtown and costs $7 for the short form and $12 for the long form.

I was born out of state. They initially denied I was born. I ended up getting a service to help me when they sent the wrong type after they finally admiited I was born. (the copy they sent me lacked the embossing (or whatever you call it)it was more of a zerox. The service got me the certificate in a few days. About a week after that, the copy I requested finally came.


My son who was born locally - I can get the BC quickly.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I was born out of state. They initially denied I was born. I ended up getting a service to help me when they sent the wrong type after they finally admiited I was born. (the copy they sent me lacked the embossing (or whatever you call it)it was more of a zerox. The service got me the certificate in a few days. About a week after that, the copy I requested finally came.


My son who was born locally - I can get the BC quickly.

This is why I like as little government intervention...in my life....as possible.

 

[gmboy95]

It is being reported you can vote in Ohio with the following requirements.

1) Give the last four digits of your SS
2) Give your name

The Board of Election has no way to check the new voter registrations against government data bases. No observers are allowed to moniter what's going on.

There are reports of students voting multiple times and people being bused in from out of state (by ACORN) to vote in Ohio.

The Secretary of State took two unrelated sections of the law and created this six day "voting period". Evidently, the dems are thrilled. It's "legal" but, ...is it right?

Then you should immediatly call a lawyer and join other aggrieved parties in a law suit against the state of ohio!!!!......Until I see this, I will assume you have gotten your talking points

 

[yeartolate]

Rip Van Winkle, is that you? Did you just wake up in 2008? Did you miss all that was Wrong with Voting in Ohio in 2004?


If that is the case, you might want to check out:

Evidence of Fraud and Disenfranchisement in Ohio, 2004 : A Partial List
This post is intended as a resource for those doing factual research on the Ohio election 2004, specifically relating to issues of (a) fraud, (b) disenfranchisment, (c) voter suppression, (d) recount obstruction, and (e) vote machine tampering. It makes no pretense at comprehensiveness, but is merely an attempt to compile links which have been posted on this site or on my blog, http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com, which either (1) are themselves primary sources of evidence, or (2) summarize, analyze, or point to, such sources.

http://ohioelection2004.com/evidence.htm


Here's a couple of highlights (or lowlights as the case may be):

Ohio now refusing to count provisional ballots
Incredibly, Blackwell is now refusing to count many of the provisional ballots in Cuyahoga County:

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/985

And so the sorting and discarding of Kerry votes begins --by Bob Fitrakis "Are the provisional ballots in Ohio being thrown out? A new rule for counting provisional ballots in Cuyahoga County, Ohio was implemented on Tuesday, November 9 at approximately 2:30 in the afternoon, according to election observer Victoria Lovegren. The new ruling in Cuyahoga County mandates that provisional ballots in yellow packets must be 'Rejected' if there is no 'date of birth' on the packet. The Free Press obtained copies of the original 'Provisional Verification Procedure' from Cuyahoga County which stated 'Date of birth is not mandatory and should not reject a provisional ballot.' The original procedure required the voter's name, address and a signature that matched the signature in the county's database."

.....

Columbus Cleveland data

I, RICHARD HAYES PHILLIPS, do swear and affirm the following:

I am a natural born citizen of the United States of America, and a registered voter. I hold a Ph.D. in geomorphology from the University of Oregon. I am a professional hydrologist and am well versed in standard techniques of statistical analysis, with special expertise in spotting anomalous data. I have analyzed unofficial results from the 2004 general election in Columbus and Cleveland.

There is compelling evidence of systematic withholding of voting machines from predominantly Democratic wards in Columbus, many of them with high black populations. This action severely restricted voter turnout in these wards, and cost John F. Kerry upwards of 17,000 votes.

Franklin County Board of Elections Director Matt Damschroder is known to have made this decision, and he is known to have met with Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell and President George W. Bush in Columbus on Election Day.

In Gahanna, Franklin County, Ward 1, Precinct B, where 638 ballots were cast, George W. Bush was awarded 4,258 votes. John F. Kerry received 260 votes. There were 87 reported write-in votes, compared to zero in the rest of the ward, 13 in the rest of Gahanna. Such discrepancies can only be found through time-consuming precinct by precinct analysis.

There is compelling evidence of incorrect presidential vote tallies in numerous precincts in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County. These irregularities include wholesale shifting of votes from one candidates column to another, and serious underreporting of the vote totals. These actions cost John F. Kerry at least 6,000 votes, by conservative estimate.

There are demonstrable discrepancies in the reported numbers of total ballots cast in Cuyahoga County. These discrepancies include cities and towns with more ballots cast than the number of registered voters; and cities and towns in which the reported voter turnout, though less than the number of registered voters, is greater than the sum total of ballots cast in all of its wards. These discrepancies amount to 246,919 votes, and call into question all the results in Cuyahoga County. The numbers are compromised and not to be trusted.

Supporting documentation is being provided to the court.

As of this writing there are still 248,100 uncounted ballots in Ohio, including 155,428 provisional ballots, and 92,672 ballots cast but still uncounted. George W. Bush holds a lead of only 136,483 votes in the unofficial count, not taking into consideration any of the above listed activities and discrepancies or any others that may yet be found. Furthermore, a statewide recount is still pending.

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/11/columbus-cleveland-data.html

And that is just Ohio.

That is what I keep saying. Even if a few thousand risk going to jail over voting when they shouldn't ---- it pales in comparison to the level of election fraud is going on. I am not saying that we shouldn't care about the few thousand that will vote when they shouldn't, but more time and energy should be invested in correcting these issues.

 

[BuckNaked]

And that is just Ohio.

That is what I keep saying. Even if a few thousand risk going to jail over voting when they shouldn't ---- it pales in comparison to the level of election fraud is going on. I am not saying that we shouldn't care about the few thousand that will vote when they shouldn't, but more time and energy should be invested in correcting these issues.

I admit to being confused here - are you saying that it's OK to let people vote that aren't eligible, if that's what it takes to make sure that everyone that is eligible to vote is able to?

 

[yeartolate]

I admit to being confused here - are you saying that it's OK to let people vote that aren't eligible, if that's what it takes to make sure that everyone that is eligible to vote is able to?

Maybe i worded it poorly.

That is what I keep saying. Even if a few thousand risk going to jail over voting when they shouldn't ---- it pales in comparison to the level of election fraud is going on. I am not saying that we shouldn't care about the few thousand that will vote when they shouldn't, but more time and energy should be invested in correcting these issues.

I think more attention should be paid to the organized widespread issues - like the above post of Ohio voter disenfranchisement.

But certainly I think the individual voter fraud deserves attention. It seems to me that if we made it easy to obtain the necessary documentation and then required everyone to give the same ID, it would nearly solve the problem.