Some Odds and Sods Questions About Purchase and Use

Chuck96

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Disboard Accountants, I have some late questions for both contracting a DVC purchase and using it. Both have undoubtedly been asked and answered here many times over, but I thought a direct inquiry would yield quick results, and hopefully help some other future near-term first-time buyers.

1) I have a seventeen year old son. I'd like him to be listed on the deed(s) with my wife and I. Does he need to be 18 to be listed? At some point, I intend on foisting this all on him, but we are 20 years away from that. I assumed transference would be cleaner and easier if he is on the deed from the start. If he does need to be 18, his birthday is in about 7 weeks (Christmas baby). Should I wait to start, or will the grind through the paperwork, ROFR, holiday, etc take enough time that I can start scouring the resale listings where I am interested?

2) Use Year. I've read enough about this that my eyes have become crossed. But I think I have it. Use Year marks the beginning of that year for points and the end of the previous one. So if I have a DEC Use Year, I get the points for UY2021 on 1 December 2021, and my unbanked points from UY2020 disappear. 1 December 2021 is also the day I can borrow (currently 50%, but presumably that will return to normal) from UY2022. So even though they are my 2021 points, because my UY is DEC, I can use them between 1 December 2021 and 1 December 2022. Please educate me if I misunderstand that.

3) I intend on buying two separate resorts, with the intent of primarily using them on separate visits. I plan on a 75 point BCV (which is hard as HELL to find), intended almost exclusively for wife and I (F&W or the Garden thing in the Spring) - looking for 3-4 nights a year. It goes away in 2042, but that is when we plan (hope) to retire, so losing the travel obligation and annual dues is a feature, not a bug. The other will probably be BLT, at 125 to 150 points, which we will probably use for any other trip that isn't the Fall. That's the one that'll head to the DS for his family. I understand this means two separate contracts, two efforts, two memberships. Any suggestions from the folks that juggle two or more resorts, especially those that bought in that way.

4) I am hoping for a Christmas trip next year. I assume that any contracts begun in late 2021 probably won't resolve until March/April of 2022, and even then points won't be available until May/June. Meaning I'll probably need to rent points to stay at a Monorail resort or Wilderness Lodge (which is the plan). I can live with that (unhappily), but that sounds like the normal timeline for resale contracts. Am I being too pessimistic?

Anyways, I'm sure I'll have more questions, but I finally feel pretty good about the # points and the "home" resorts. I understand the annual dues (and factored that into the decisions) and feel ready to move forward. As always, thanks for your advice!
 
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1) I have a seventeen year old son. I'd like him to be listed on the deed(s) with my wife and I. Does he need to be 18 to be listed? At some point, I intend on foisting this all on him, but we are 20 years away from that. I assumed transference would be cleaner and easier if he is on the deed from the start. If he does need to be 18, his birthday is in about 7 weeks (Christmas baby). Should I wait to start, or will the grind through the paperwork, ROFR, holiday, etc take enough time that I can start scouring the resale listings where I am interested?
Yes, your son will have to be age 18 to be listed as an owner on the deed. I don't know whether you can include him on all the paperwork now, with assumption that he'll be 18 at time of closing, or not.

The remainder of your plans seem reasonable to me, and your understanding of how DVC works seems good, but others are likely to bring up points I haven't considered. We're among the owners who bought direct years ago and haven't needed to deal with today's complexities!

Good luck on your purchase, and may DVC bring joy to your family as it has to ours.
 
UY is really more for determine what points can be used for which trips. You get all your points when you buy and can call an book at any time, for any trip…11 months home resort…7 months for all others.UY plays no role in that.

With a December UY, that is just the date that points change status from next years points to this years points.

So, if I decide I want to travel in July of 2022, it falls in my December 2021 UY. I can book that today, using both 2021 points and borrow up to 50% of my dec 2022 UY points, because the trip is in my 2021 UY.

If I have banked 2020 points, I could use those as well. I do not need to wait until Dec 1st to borrow because it’s the timing of the trip, and not when you call or go online to book.
 
3) I intend on buying two separate resorts, with the intent of primarily using them on separate visits. I plan on a 75 point BCV (which is hard as HELL to find), intended almost exclusively for wife and I (F&W or the Garden thing in the Spring) - looking for 3-4 nights a year. It goes away in 2042, but that is when we plan (hope) to retire, so losing the travel obligation and annual dues is a feature, not a bug. The other will probably be BLT, at 125 to 150 points, which we will probably use for any other trip that isn't the Fall. That's the one that'll head to the DS for his family. I understand this means two separate contracts, two efforts, two memberships. Any suggestions from the folks that juggle two or more resorts, especially those that bought in that way.

If your plans include two separate trips, both in the first 6 months of the year (excluding the aforementioned Christmas trip), or say December through June or July, then as long as your two contracts have the same UY (say August or September, which would leave you plenty of time before your banking deadline), they can be under the same membership number.

All of my contracts have the same February UY, so I have just one membership number, with 3 contracts at 2 resorts.
 

1) I have a seventeen year old son. I'd like him to be listed on the deed(s) with my wife and I. Does he need to be 18 to be listed? At some point, I intend on foisting this all on him, but we are 20 years away from that. I assumed transference would be cleaner and easier if he is on the deed from the start. If he does need to be 18, his birthday is in about 7 weeks (Christmas baby). Should I wait to start, or will the grind through the paperwork, ROFR, holiday, etc take enough time that I can start scouring the resale listings where I am interested?

This is a real estate purchase. So yes, he needs to be 18.

Keep in mind that as a co-owner, if he is involved in bankruptcy or divorce or such, the DVC contract might be at risk.


2) Use Year. I've read enough about this that my eyes have become crossed. But I think I have it. Use Year marks the beginning of that year for points and the end of the previous one. So if I have a DEC Use Year, I get the points for UY2021 on 1 December 2021, and my unbanked points from UY2020 disappear. 1 December 2021 is also the day I can borrow (currently 50%, but presumably that will return to normal) from UY2022. So even though they are my 2021 points, because my UY is DEC, I can use them between 1 December 2021 and 1 December 2022. Please educate me if I misunderstand that.


Use Year is about when you can "use" the points for a stay, yes, but it has no impact on when you can book. When you decide the dates of your stay, you start by looking to see what Use Year that stay falls into - and you can always use banked pts from the prior UY + all pts from the current UY that the stay falls into + (currently 50% of) borrowed pts from the next UY. But there is no waiting for the next UY to start so that you "get" your pts or have access to borrowing. This thread is helpful to bookmark:

Understanding Use Year - Updated February 10, 2021 | The DIS Disney Discussion Forums - DISboards.com
 
If you can't close until your son turns 18, you won't get 2020 points since you will be in your Dec 2021 UY. His partial ownership in your DVC could count against any financial aid he might try to get to go to college.
 
For the reasons listed above, you are probably better off leaving your son off the contract until you are closer to the point of "foisting" it on him. He may never choose to have it foisted - at 38 his financial priorities may not include maintenance on points.
 
There is no "listed on the deed." There is owning real estate with another adult/legal entity.

If I were buying Blue Card, I would do it as an LLC in my home state and run an LLC with a robust board. There are lots of ways to do this, depending on what your goals are.
 
The other will probably be BLT, at 125 to 150 points, which we will probably use for any other trip that isn't the Fall. That's the one that'll head to the DS for his family. I understand this means two separate contracts, two efforts, two memberships.

Yes, and no. If you buy the contracts with the same UY and same legal owners, they are the same membership. I have several contracts in two UYs. I have two member numbers, because of the two UYS. I can see both in a drop down, but they are like separate people as far as booking is concerned. You'd also have two member numbers if the owners were different, like adding or removing a person.

If you bought the contracts with all the same owners and UY, you would keep one membership. A common way to do this is with an LLC/trust. You could also do this with just your 18 year old buying both of them, or just you buying them. It sounds like you should talk to your local estate lawyer about how all of this fits in your plans. If you already have trusts/LLCs set up, this might be no big deal at all to manage in your existing estate plan.

My ownership is currently structured so that my estate would have to probate in Florida. This isn't ideal, but I planned to own maybe ten years and move on. If I planned to pass a contract down, I would have structured it differently from the jump.
 
Based on the useful advice proffered, I'll probably keep my son off the deed(s) for now. Also, based on the complete dearth of lower-points-listings for BCV for the last several weeks (the two recent 100s got snapped up quite fast, and 100 is more than I want), we may just go a little bigger on a single BLT contract and just wait for my shot on a smaller BCV (or just rent as needed, at BCV, BWV, or RIV for F&W). That said, BLT will last beyond my interest in getting down to O-town, so I'll need a plan, but at least I'll have a few decades to come up with it.
 
Yes, and no. If you buy the contracts with the same UY and same legal owners, they are the same membership. I have several contracts in two UYs. I have two member numbers, because of the two UYS. I can see both in a drop down, but they are like separate people as far as booking is concerned. You'd also have two member numbers if the owners were different, like adding or removing a person.

If you bought the contracts with all the same owners and UY, you would keep one membership. A common way to do this is with an LLC/trust. You could also do this with just your 18 year old buying both of them, or just you buying them. It sounds like you should talk to your local estate lawyer about how all of this fits in your plans. If you already have trusts/LLCs set up, this might be no big deal at all to manage in your existing estate plan.

My ownership is currently structured so that my estate would have to probate in Florida. This isn't ideal, but I planned to own maybe ten years and move on. If I planned to pass a contract down, I would have structured it differently from the jump.
Would a Revocable Trust recognized by your home state & FL solve a FL probate issue?
 
Yes, and no. If you buy the contracts with the same UY and same legal owners, they are the same membership. I have several contracts in two UYs. I have two member numbers, because of the two UYS. I can see both in a drop down, but they are like separate people as far as booking is concerned. You'd also have two member numbers if the owners were different, like adding or removing a person.

If you bought the contracts with all the same owners and UY, you would keep one membership. A common way to do this is with an LLC/trust. You could also do this with just your 18 year old buying both of them, or just you buying them. It sounds like you should talk to your local estate lawyer about how all of this fits in your plans. If you already have trusts/LLCs set up, this might be no big deal at all to manage in your existing estate plan.

My ownership is currently structured so that my estate would have to probate in Florida. This isn't ideal, but I planned to own maybe ten years and move on. If I planned to pass a contract down, I would have structured it differently from the jump.
So if our sons are listed on our contract they would have to be listed on any add on contracts as well in order to avoid having 2 separate memberships?
 
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So if our sons are listed on our contract they would have to be listed on any add on contracts as well in order to avoid haveing 2 separate memberships?
Yes, same owners & same use year to just have one membership.
 
Ty didn't know that. What are the pros and cons of one vs two memberships?
I‘m no expert because I have 3 contracts all titled the same & w/ the same use year thus one membership, but at 7 months I can combine points from all those contracts to get a reservation. If I cancel the points go back to their original contract.
If they were separate memberships I’d have to transfer points from one to the other in order to combine them for one reservation, you can only do one transfer per year per membership I think (could be one per contract.) If I cancel the transferred points are stuck where I transferred them to.
There are folks who successfully manage multiple memberships & there are advantages, hopefully some of those folks will weigh in.
 












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