Some FP+ Info

[mom2mickeyfan]

The FP system is only near capacity if you consider the FP line secondary to the SB line. If you make FP the primary line, you have tons of excess capacity.

there is enough capacity that everyone who currently waits in the SB line gets to ride. If you scheduled all those people into the FP line, you would have the capacity and their wait times would be fairly short.

Instead of all those people standing around in the SB line, they will simply show up to the FP line when it is their turn.

I'd say odds are zero. But, I don't think anyone ever expected a FP for EVERY ride. Who does FP for EVERY ride currently? No one, that's who. It's impossible.

I believe that Dadddio thinks that everyone that wants to ride a FP ride will be able to do so with a FP. The only ones that will be in the SB lines will be those that wish to ride the ride for a second time.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Respectfully, you are incorrect. As long as the number of FPs is less than ride capacity, there cannot be long wait times. No matter how many times that you declare otherwise, the math doesn't support your position.

Increasing FP 'slots' slows the SB line, not the FP line. As long as this increase comes from people who would have been in the SB line, rather than just using the FP line multiple times, then the overall average wait time actually decreases since less people will ride multiple times if they have to wait SB to do so.

And since we do not yet know for sure if we will be limited to only one FP+ per ride, your theory has just as much chance as ours for not coming true.

 

[LaurenT]

I don't know about anyone else, but the least amount of time I've spent in the FP queue for Soarin', from entering to getting on the ride, is 25 mins.

Wow! Have you ridden often? Maybe it's just bad luck...
I ride Soarin alot, it's one of my very favorite rides. I usually wait about 10 minutes from the entrance to standing in front of the Patrick Warburton intro.

 

[linzbear]

Wow! Have you ridden often? Maybe it's just bad luck...
I ride Soarin alot, it's one of my very favorite rides. I usually wait about 10 minutes from the entrance to standing in front of the Patrick Warburton intro.

Which has a 10 minute runtime

It is at minimum 20 minutes from getting in the FP line to getting on Soarin', just due to the length of the ride. The only exception is rope drop.

Tower of Terror is another one that is 10-15 minutes even as a walk-on because of the intro library scene.

 

[LaurenT]

Which has a 10 minute runtime

It is at minimum 20 minutes from getting in the FP line to getting on Soarin', just due to the length of the ride. The only exception is rope drop.

Tower of Terror is another one that is 10-15 minutes even as a walk-on because of the intro library scene.

Yes, but I don't count that as part of my wait. It's part of the experience - whether you're FP or SB.
I think we all need to remember that many visitors will never use FP, no matter what Disney does to encourage it. I've been explaining the system to confused guests all week. Even with me going through the whole thing one on one, some of them don't get it (some do, and are very grateful, which is why I bother).

 

[linzbear]

Yes, but I don't count that as part of my wait. It's part of the experience - whether you're FP or SB.
I think we all need to remember that many visitors will never use FP, no matter what Disney does to encourage it. I've been explaining the system to confused guests all week. Even with me going through the whole thing one on one, some of them don't get it (some do, and are very grateful, which is why I bother).

You may not count it (I don't really count it, either), but Disney does (and the other poster did), with their red cards. You don't give up the red cards until you see the last CM before you get on the ride, so that's what the wait time is calculated as.

So, for Soarin, if it says 45 minute standby wait, then it's 45 minutes until you get on the ride. The time until you join up with the Fast Pass line is probably closer to 20 minutes, though.

 

[ManyMinnie]

Wow! Have you ridden often? Maybe it's just bad luck...
I ride Soarin alot, it's one of my very favorite rides. I usually wait about 10 minutes from the entrance to standing in front of the Patrick Warburton intro.

Yes, I ride it often. We do it at least three times every trip.

 

[gwmort]

So if they purchase a 4 day ticket, will Disney assign that family a combo pack for the next 4 days?
What if they plan to tour one day at Disney and the next at Sea World?
Will Disney be deciding which park they should go to for each day?
We have to assume they wouldn't have the app so how much time are they going to lose trying to figure that out or spending time at a kiosk trying to figure out what Disney has done for them?
Or will there be a print out they will get from the ticket window when the buy the tickets?
How well of fit will that combo pack be for that family? When dad walks up to buy the tickets, Disney will have no way of knowing if the child's ticket he is purchasing is for a 3 year old or a 9 year old, a girl or a boy. Again, how much time will be spent trying to get this info from the family to assign them a combo pack and will they like having to spend the extra time?
How long will they hold these combo pack FP+'s to see if they are going to use them?
So do we now assume they will be holding FP+ for the day of?
How will us planners like when we are unable to get a FP+ for Soarin' 30 days out (cuz you got busy and didn't make them at 60 days) because they are all gone and families that walk up and buy tickets the day of get some in their combo pack because Disney has saved some for those families?

I can see where some families like this will not like this either. It may not just us planner/super users/ rope dropers, that may have some problems with the new system. You have to admit they could walk away thinking it sure was alot of trouble to visit Disney World or if they forgo the whole system, walk away thinking they were unable to get much done because the ended up only using the SB line.

So does anyone have any idea what the percentage of visiters are people that stay off-site?

They will let x% of available fp+ slots be reserved in advance (let y = number of slots available on a particular attraction), and limit users to one advance slot per attraction. The number of users making advance reservations will be far less than the total number of slots for the ride for the day.(1-x)% of y will be held for same day and walk up combo packs.

The e-rides won't be sold out for same day users, you won't need to do tons of advance planning to get what Disney considers a reasonable number of decent fp+'s, and if you want to change them you will be able to do it at a kiosk in the park.

If you want more they will be available, if you are the average non-super user and won't go to the trouble, the people who are will have even more available to them, which is what makes them happy.

I believe in general it will mean less foot travel criss crossing parks for slips of paper, the ability to plan before getting to the park to hit some of your favorites without a RD stampede, generally shorter lines and less stress, all good stuff.

 

[dadddio]

And since we do not yet know for sure if we will be limited to only one FP+ per ride, your theory has just as much chance as ours for not coming true.

Of course you are correct. Everything that I've discussed regarding pushing people out of the SB lines to FP lines has been a theory. I stated as much earlier in the thread.

 

[mom2rtk]

I believe in general it will mean less foot travel criss crossing parks for slips of paper, the ability to plan before getting to the park to hit some of your favorites without a RD stampede, generally shorter lines and less stress, all good stuff.

........ and therefore higher utilization of the system. That's the unknown variable Z in your equation. My high school senior is taking calculus this year. Maybe he can solve for Z for us. You know, once he gets out of bed. We're in for over a foot of snow today.

 

[Planogirl]

All of this could work well for a certain type of visitor. There is no question about that. Unfortunately we're not all cut from the same cloth so conjecturing that the system will work a certain way just seems to make a lot of us uneasy. I know that I dislike many aspects of this but my dislike is also coming from conjecture and having to plan even more. It does seem apparent that more and more planning will be necessary for us to have a good time.

By the way, I believe that there will still be a rope drop stampede. You will still have many people who want to ride that popular ride without worrying about fastpasses and I bet that some have even posted on this thread. I don't see that changing.

 

[golf4miami]

........ and therefore higher utilization of the system. That's the unknown variable Z in your equation. My high school senior is taking calculus this year. Maybe he can solve for Z for us. You know, once he gets out of bed. We're in for over a foot of snow today.

Exactly. I can't see utilization going anywhere but up. The only people who may not utilize the new technology are those who buy their tickets they day they go to the park and those who are just oblivious. I seriously don't see Disney letting people get away without knowing about the technology before they show up at the park. They are just spending too much on it for them to not make sure pretty much everyone who is visiting that day has at least some knowledge and use of the system.

 

[gwmort]

By the way, I believe that there will still be a rope drop stampede. You will still have many people who want to ride that popular ride without worrying about fastpasses and I bet that some have even posted on this thread. I don't see that changing.

Oh I agree, thats the beauty of the system, the people who are into and enjoy that can still do it, and others that don't can still get to ride TSM, everybody wins!

 

[Mad Hattered]

........ and therefore higher utilization of the system. That's the unknown variable Z in your equation. My high school senior is taking calculus this year. Maybe he can solve for Z for us. You know, once he gets out of bed. We're in for over a foot of snow today.

We are in the process of getting 4-6 inches of sleet, ice and snow! Oh the joy!!

 

[Planogirl]

Oh I agree, thats the beauty of the system, the people who are into and enjoy that can still do it, and others that don't can still get to ride TSM, everybody wins!

That is the whole issue here IMO. I hope that everyone will still get to ride TSM without a lot of trouble as you say. Time will tell.

 

[mom2rtk]

We are in the process of getting 4-6 inches of sleet, ice and snow! Oh the joy!!

Ahhh..... I just saw your location. We're on the other side of the state. We are having thunder snow right now. It's a white out and it only just started. I'd still rather have this than the sleet and ice though. We haven't had a storm this big in over a decade. I'm just glad my other son's college cancelled classes. He has an exam and I had visions of having to drive him across town and back.

 

[mcd2745]

Exactly. I can't see utilization going anywhere but up. The only people who may not utilize the new technology are those who buy their tickets they day they go to the park and those who are just oblivious. I seriously don't see Disney letting people get away without knowing about the technology before they show up at the park. They are just spending too much on it for them to not make sure pretty much everyone who is visiting that day has at least some knowledge and use of the system.

So if FP utilization goes up, that's means less SB riders. So all this wild specualtion about SB lines getting longer doesn't make sense.

That is the whole issue here IMO. I hope that everyone will still get to ride TSM without a lot of trouble as you say. Time will tell.

Well.....that's certainly not possible now.

 

[golf4miami]

So if FP utilization goes up, that's means less SB riders. So all this wild specualtion about SB lines getting longer doesn't make sense.

If FP utilization goes up then it follows that less SB riders will get on the ride, which means the line will get longer.

 

[damo]

So if FP utilization goes up, that's means less SB riders. So all this wild specualtion about SB lines getting longer doesn't make sense.







Well.....that's certainly not possible now.

You can be holding a fast pass and be in a SB line. You aren't just going to wait around for your fast pass time, you're going to be wanting to ride something.

 

[bcrook]

By the way, I believe that there will still be a rope drop stampede.

Oh I agree, thats the beauty of the system, the people who are into and enjoy that can still do it, and others that don't can still get to ride TSM, everybody wins!

Rope Drop is equivalent to being able to get 1-2 FP wait times without the fastpasses. So if we are limited to 3 FP+ a day, getting to rope drop would be like getting 5 FP+. More people will figure this out, and the "value" of the rope drop will disappear.

The other thing that will affect Rope drop will be the lack of hopping and FP+. Rope drop at one park will be crucial to be able to ride a few rides if the second park of the day has the FP+ reservations.

I just hope people will be too tired to get up and go to the park. BUT even that is less likely if EMH evenings go away. The parks will be closed earlier.