Some FP+ Info

[mummabear]

I think people need to bear in mind as far as FP+ capacity there is the parade, meet and greet and shows capacity to add as well and while many of you think that people will not want to use them for those there will be many that will. Doing away with a 90 minute block staking out a spot for a parade is no different to me than waiting in a 90 minute line for a ride.

 

[golf4miami]

Of course it will because you would schedule the return times. Aren't you the one who agreed that FPers are technically 'in line' just not 'in queue'? It's the same thing. Instead of all those people standing around in the SB line, they will simply show up to the FP line when it is their turn.

If 100 people are in the Stand By line and 50 are in the Fastpass line then we have 150 people in line. If the hourly capacity of said ride is 150 people then it should take an hour to get through them all.

If you have 25 people in Stand By and 125 in Fastpass then we still have 150 people in line and it will still take an hour.

Moving which line people are in doesn't somehow magically make the ride run more people through the line.

 

[Robo]

If 100 people are in the Stand By line and 50 are in the Fastpass line then we have 150 people in line. If the hourly capacity of said ride is 150 people then it should take an hour to get through them all.

If you have 25 people in Stand By and 125 in Fastpass then we still have 150 people in line and it will still take an hour.

Moving which line people are in doesn't somehow magically make the ride run more people through the line.

Thank you.
(I thought I was sitting out here in some sort of space-time black hole.)

 

[dadddio]

But, that's simply not mathematically possible.

Of course it is. Scheduling return times is going to neither create more people nor reduce ride capacity.

 

[Robo]

Of course it is. Scheduling return times is going to neither create more people nor reduce ride capacity.

 

[dadddio]

If 100 people are in the Stand By line and 50 are in the Fastpass line then we have 150 people in line. If the hourly capacity of said ride is 150 people then it should take an hour to get through them all.

If you have 25 people in Stand By and 125 in Fastpass then we still have 150 people in line and it will still take an hour.

Moving which line people are in doesn't somehow magically make the ride run more people through the line.

You know that the FP people don't all show up at the same time, right? Return 'clumping' would result in small temporary waits, but the line would never reach anywhere close to 60 minutes.

 

[Rosanne]

Not if I can only get FP for one E ticket ride per day.

If that turns out to be the case, and if standby isn't a decent option, then I won't be in either the standby OR the fastpass line. Because I won't be at Disney.

This.

Today I was thinking about getting tickets from UT before the prices go up. This is my usual line of thinking since I can either use them for the trip I have booked in June or for a later one... August or even later. Then I realized for the first time in ten years I don't know that I want to go again. Ever. I don't know that I won't, I just don't know that I will. I have always known I had a trip coming up for the past ten years but now I feel micromanaged and manipulated. I think it is one big complicated headache.

I'm pretty sure we will still go on the DL trip in August, esp. since that might be the last chance to tour the "old" way but I booked room only for the June one at WDW to keep my options open.

I don't want to pre-schedule everything or almost everything days, weeks, or months in advance. I don't want to look at my stupid phone to be alerted for delightful surprises, blah blah blah.

I hope it's somehow better than it seems like it will be.

One of my sisters is at Epcot today. She is also a frequent visitor (even frequent than I am). We've been discussing the whole thing. She often travels with me. I gave her a heads up about the standby times JIC. Hopefully her day will go smoothly.

Not going to be the guinea pig. I'll just keep tabs on reports once they start coming in. Curiouser and curiouser.

 

[golf4miami]

You know that the FP people don't all show up at the same time, right? Return 'clumping' would result in small temporary waits, but the line would never reach anywhere close to 60 minutes.

You're talking about moving people who are in line from one line to the other. This does not change how many people are in line and therefore will not change the wait time.

 

[Robo]

You know that the FP people don't all show up at the same time, right? Return 'clumping' would result in small temporary waits, but the line would never reach anywhere close to 60 minutes.

They would if suddenly there were dozens and dozens more of them scheduled every hour.

The "early returners" would still be waiting in line,
as later ones arrived,
and still later ones arrived,
and still later ones arrived,
every hour
after hour
after hour
all day long
and into the evening.

 

[golf4miami]

They would if suddenly there were dozens and dozens more of them scheduled every hour.

The "early returners" would still be waiting in line,
as later ones arrived,
and still later ones arrived,
and still later ones arrived,
every hour
after hour
after hour
all day long
and into the evening.

Exactly! Adding more fastpasses to the system will add more chances of clumping and to the likely hood that they wouldn't be able to get through all of those people before the next group shows up.

 

[dadddio]

You're talking about moving people who are in line from one line to the other. This does not change how many people are in line and therefore will not change the wait time.

Sure it would. Soaring is the perfect example. Instead of getting in a sixty minute SB line, you would have a FP to return later. FPs would be spaced out to manage capacity.

 

[Love Tink]

Unless capacity is increased there is no way to prevent wait times on a ride that has a long line all day long.

Well put. The fact is that more people want to ride the E-ticket rides than their capacity can handle without people (sometimes lots of people) having to wait. That won't change.

Right now, those who are willing to make the moves necessary (arrive before opening, have a touring plan, use FP wisely) can basically avoid SB and therefore avoid those lines, and still do everything they want to do.

With the new system, the logical conclusion is that such touring will no longer be possible. FP will be more severely limited, FP lines will be longer, and SB lines will be interminable. They've basically ensured that everyone will have to wait in lines throughout the day. They've taken away the true advantage of FP.

(Unless, as one strangely insistent PP proposes: an enormous number of FP+ for E-tickets are available beforehand and also the day of visit, the FP+ are distributed in perfect ratios and allow for reasonable SB capacity, FP users return to ride in perfectly spaced five-minute groups with no exceptions, the ride never breaks down or has to stop to allow a disabled guest to board, etc. etc. etc. Which will probably happen.)

 

[golf4miami]

Sure it would. Soaring is the perfect example. Instead of getting in a sixty minute SB line, you would have a FP to return later. FPs would be spaced out to manage capacity.

This is exactly how the system ALREADY WORKS and yet there is still a 60-120 minute Stand By wait time anyway...

 

[Robo]

Sure it would. Soaring is the perfect example. Instead of getting in a sixty minute SB line, you would have a FP to return later. FPs would be spaced out to manage capacity.

That doesn't fit with your other statement that they can fold in everybody (or I'll be kind and say HALF of everybody) who now rides Standby.

It's not a mathematical possibility.

If it WAS a possibility, they would simply have done it ALREADY with
the current FP system.

It matters not if the FP's are scheduled 60 days in advance or day-of...
There are only "so many" slots that CAN be scheduled to keep the FastPass line... FAST.

 

[bauer1168]

You know that the FP people don't all show up at the same time, right? Return 'clumping' would result in small temporary waits, but the line would never reach anywhere close to 60 minutes.

Although it's true what you say about people not all showing up at the same time, say DHS is open until 8pm and Fantasmic! has one showing at say, 6:30, once that's finished, anyone who has a FP from 7pm -8pm for say TSMM, without a doubt the vast majority of them will go straight to it.
Whether their ticket has 6:30-7:30, 6:45-7:45 etc. the FP line balloons. I say this with first hand experience. When I finished the ride, the FP line was out the door and near the FP machines. Potentially, if not definitely crippling the SB line Not for every ride for sure. It will be very interesting to see TSMM during all this.
Guests with FP will end up clumping if a ride/attraction breaks down, Test Track being one of the, if not the main culprit

 

[doggydoc]

Sure it would. Soaring is the perfect example. Instead of getting in a sixty minute SB line, you would have a FP to return later. FPs would be spaced out to manage capacity.

Seriously? Your just arguing to argue now right? Soarin' and TSMM run full capacity all day almost everyday and there is still a line and all FP's are claimed. Where is the extra capacity to prevent this line going to come from? You presume that anyone with a FP walks right on. They do not, there is still a short(sometimes even not so short) wait. Adding more FP's can only increase that wait. As already posted once that wait gets above 10 (I could even deal with 20) it is no longer FastPass it's NotSoFastPass and your, as previously stated, making an appointment to stand in line. I don't think that scenario would even shorten SB line that much. There will always be a significant number that doesn't use FP, those that have a FP for another ride and as we may unfortunately see soon(I really hope not) those that have used all their restricted number of FP+'s

 

[CuteAsMinnie]

Thank you.
(I thought I was sitting out here in some sort of space-time black hole.)

No, Robo you're not. You are one if the few who make sense.

 

[dadddio]

They would if suddenly there were dozens and dozens more of them scheduled every hour.

The "early returners" would still be waiting in line,
as later ones arrived,
and still later ones arrived,
and still later ones arrived,
every hour
after hour
after hour
all day long
and into the evening.

No, they wouldn't. The early returners would have ridden the ride by the time that the late ones showed. The only way that they would not is if the number of FPs given for a period was greater than capacity. Instead, it will always be less than capacity. Otherwise, no SBers would ever be able to ride.

 

[ManyMinnie]

Sure it would. Soaring is the perfect example. Instead of getting in a sixty minute SB line, you would have a FP to return later. FPs would be spaced out to manage capacity.

I don't know about anyone else, but the least amount of time I've spent in the FP queue for Soarin', from entering to getting on the ride, is 25 mins.

 

[dadddio]

Well put. The fact is that more people want to ride the E-ticket rides than their capacity can handle without people (sometimes lots of people) having to wait. That won't change.

I'm not completely convinced that this is a fact. Under the current system, every single SBer gets to ride and people ride multiple times via FP.

Right now, those who are willing to make the moves necessary (arrive before opening, have a touring plan, use FP wisely) can basically avoid SB and therefore avoid those lines, and still do everything they want to do.

So why couldn't those same people learn how to use the enhanced system?

With the new system, the logical conclusion is that such touring will no longer be possible. FP will be more severely limited, FP lines will be longer, and SB lines will be interminable. They've basically ensured that everyone will have to wait in lines throughout the day. They've taken away the true advantage of FP.

Some in this forum believe this to be true, but the company states that it will not wrk that way and instead it will stop people from having to wait in these long lines.

(Unless, as one strangely insistent PP proposes: an enormous number of FP+ for E-tickets are available beforehand and also the day of visit, the FP+ are distributed in perfect ratios and allow for reasonable SB capacity, FP users return to ride in perfectly spaced five-minute groups with no exceptions, the ride never breaks down or has to stop to allow a disabled guest to board, etc. etc. etc. Which will probably happen.)

Many of those scenarios can be forecasted, as thy are now. They can also be handled on the fly via the FP+ system which will allow dynamic adjustments throughout the day.