Some FP+ Info

[mom2rtk]

Again, the patent application for the system mentioned that the system will be set up so that if a guest isn't using their appointment times, they are "punished" by not being allowed to make more appointments in the future.

My thought is not that the AP holders would make a bunch of FP+ reservations and not show up. My thought is that they would "hold" them until close to that date then cancel them before they would be considered a no show. Just like many have done both before CC holds on ADRs and even since them. I'm still utterly AMAZED at the number of people who post on the ADR cancellation threads that they are releasing an Ohana ADR for every night of a given week. They book every single nght of their vacation until closer to the trip when they finalize their plans. They only release them ahead of time now because there is a penalty if they don't.

Maybe the system would recoginze that too, but no matter what the line is, you can bet people will work it and do everything they can just short of the point where they would incur some sort of penalty.

I'm not saying at all that AP holders should be limited in what they can book. I'm just saying that there is big time potential for abuse, and it will be interesting to see how Disney deals with that.

 

[gwmort]

The mere fact that FP+ users will not be able to use the current FP machines does not mean that they will not be able to obtain same-day virtual FPs.

THIS

There is a semantic error spread through this thread where people are treating same day in park fp+'s as regular fp- and saying they will use both systems. The new system allows for some prebooked fp+'s and it appears they will also allow you to get some more day of in the park. That does not mean you will get regular fp-'s day of in the park, it is a different system.

 

[mom2rtk]

THIS

There is a semantic error spread through this thread where people are treating same day in park fp+'s as regular fp- and saying they will use both systems. The new system allows for some prebooked fp+'s and it appears they will also allow you to get some more day of in the park. That does not mean you will get regular fp-'s day of in the park, it is a different system.

It doesn't matter HOW someone gets their FP. I just think the ease of reserving them in advance will increase demand. Any time you remove a barrier (like having to hoof it across the park) you get more participation. I also think Disney will be emailing people encouraging them to book their FPs. If they are confused, they will offer quick picks.

I just think there won't be enough capacity to offer all those pre-booked FPs and same day FPs. No matter whether they get them on a slip of paper at a kiosk, or with a touch of your finger on a smart phone. Yes, I know adding FP for parades, shows, fireworks and attractions that never needed FP will help. But I'm not talking about those things. I'm talking about things that actually NEED FP. What people want are FPs for E ticket rides. And I just don't think there will be enough.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

It doesn't matter HOW someone gets their FP. I just think the ease of reserving them in advance will increase demand. Any time you remove a barrier (like having to hoof it across the park) you get more participation. I also think Disney will be emailing people encouraging them to book their FPs. If they are confused, they will offer quick picks.

I just think there won't be enough capacity to offer all those pre-booked FPs and same day FPs. No matter whether they get them on a slip of paper at a kiosk, or with a touch of your finger on a smart phone. Yes, I know adding FP for parades, shows, fireworks and attractions that never needed FP will help. But I'm not talking about those things. I'm talking about things that actually NEED FP. What people want are FPs for E ticket rides. And I just don't think there will be enough.

I agree. Not to mentioned that Disney as yet to official state that there will be FP+'s the day of.

 

[golf4miami]

It doesn't matter HOW someone gets their FP. I just think the ease of reserving them in advance will increase demand. Any time you remove a barrier (like having to hoof it across the park) you get more participation. I also think Disney will be emailing people encouraging them to book their FPs. If they are confused, they will offer quick picks.

I just think there won't be enough capacity to offer all those pre-booked FPs and same day FPs. No matter whether they get them on a slip of paper at a kiosk, or with a touch of your finger on a smart phone. Yes, I know adding FP for parades, shows, fireworks and attractions that never needed FP will help. But I'm not talking about those things. I'm talking about things that actually NEED FP. What people want are FPs for E ticket rides. And I just don't think there will be enough.

Eloquently put and I agree. Not to mention the fact that they will have to create FPs for rides that never had FP before so that everyone gets a FP for at least something means that now instead of getting on in the order you show up for rides such as: Pirates, It's a Small World, Barnstormer, etc will now have extended Stand By wait times because they will have to accommidate all of those FPs.

 

[mom2rtk]

Eloquently put and I agree. Not to mention the fact that they will have to create FPs for rides that never had FP before so that everyone gets a FP for at least something means that now instead of getting on in the order you show up for rides such as: Pirates, It's a Small World, Barnstormer, etc will now have extended Stand By wait times because they will have to accommidate all of those FPs.

I'm worried about that piece of it as well. Although I think there's a chance that after a few times of hoofing it across the park to make a FP time and realizing the standby line short enough they didn't even need a FP, people will figure out which ones they didn't need, and start blowing them off. I think there will always be some unsuspecting first timer who will take those (since all the good ones were gone) but eventually people will realize some of those were just fluff, added to the system purely in the interest of beefing up total FP inventory.

 

[Robo]

As the "Tower of Babel" that is the new list of FastPass "what-if's" gets taller and taller (and the complexities become less understandable to guests and front-line CM's) it can reach a such point that the original plan can collapse under its own weight, so to speak.

I'm going to postulate that Disney planners of FP+ did not go into nearly the depth of questioning (the "what-if's") that so many of the posters brought up on this board.
(We want to ride the same attractions together.
What if I have X number of family members in my party arriving at X different times,
staying at X different places, having X different kind of tickets, etc. etc, etc.)

When and if this FP+ thing comes on line...

tick - tick - tick

 

[gwmort]

I agree. Not to mentioned that Disney as yet to official state that there will be FP+'s the day of.

It was my understanding that was the gist of the OP's comment, that is to say a CM told him they were trained (by a power point I believe) that there would be same day available. I am not saying that makes it a fact, just the subject of discussion in this thread.

 

[dadddio]

I just think there won't be enough capacity to offer all those pre-booked FPs and same day FPs. No matter whether they get them on a slip of paper at a kiosk, or with a touch of your finger on a smart phone. Yes, I know adding FP for parades, shows, fireworks and attractions that never needed FP will help. But I'm not talking about those things. I'm talking about things that actually NEED FP. What people want are FPs for E ticket rides. And I just don't think there will be enough.

I believe, or at least choose to believe, that the expansion of rides and attractions that will be FPable, an increase in the number of FPs available for each attraction, and the system not allowing guests to get multiple FPs for the same attraction on the same day will allow for enough capacity.

 

[damo]

As the "Tower of Babel" that is the new list of FastPass "what-if's" gets taller and taller (and the complexities become less understandable to guests and front-line CM's) it can reach a such point that the original plan can collapse under its own weight, so to speak.

I'm going to postulate that Disney planners of FP+ did not go into nearly the depth of questioning (the "what-if's") that so many of the posters brought up on this board.
(We want to ride the same attractions together.
What if I have X number of family members in my party arriving at X different times,
staying at X different places, having X different kind of tickets, etc. etc, etc.)

When and if this FP+ thing comes on line...

tick - tick - tick

It's so exciting!!!!....

It is going to be crazy reading these boards once it comes out. I'm so glad I don't have a trip planned until next year.

 

[dadddio]

As the "Tower of Babel" that is the new list of FastPass "what-if's" gets taller and taller (and the complexities become less understandable to guests and front-line CM's) it can reach a such point that the original plan can collapse under its own weight, so to speak.

I'm going to postulate that Disney planners of FP+ did not go into nearly the depth of questioning (the "what-if's") that so many of the posters brought up on this board.
(We want to ride the same attractions together.
What if I have X number of family members in my party arriving at X different times,
staying at X different places, having X different kind of tickets, etc. etc, etc.)

When and if this FP+ thing comes on line...

tick - tick - tick

<snip>

All of your what-ifs were covered in the initial info release.

It doesn't matter where the guests are staying, because FP+ isn't dependant on that.

It doesn't matter what types of tickets everyone has. As long as their are valid tickets in the guests profile, they are cool.

It doesn't matter if all family members arrive at the same time. Link the the profiles and one person can schedule FPs for everyone to ensure that they all ride at the same time.

 

[ManyMinnie]

All of your what-ifs were covered in the initial info release.

It doesn't matter where the guests are staying, because FP+ isn't dependant on that.

It doesn't matter what types of tickets everyone has. As long as their are valid tickets in the guests profile, they are cool.

It doesn't matter if all family members arrive at the same time. Link the the profiles and one person can schedule FPs for everyone to ensure that they all ride at the same time.

All subject to change, of course.

 

[dadddio]

Eloquently put and I agree. Not to mention the fact that they will have to create FPs for rides that never had FP before so that everyone gets a FP for at least something means that now instead of getting on in the order you show up for rides such as: Pirates, It's a Small World, Barnstormer, etc will now have extended Stand By wait times because they will have to accommidate all of those FPs.

Alternatively, you might schedule FPs for these rides while you are in the park, scheduling your day so that you limit your time in lines and maximize your fun. Come to think of it, this is basically what they stated that FP+ was intended to do.

 

[mom2rtk]

I believe, or at least choose to believe, that the expansion of rides and attractions that will be FPable, an increase in the number of FPs available for each attraction, and the system not allowing guests to get multiple FPs for the same attraction on the same day will allow for enough capacity.

Well, ultimately it won't matter what we choose to believe. It will be what it is.

Do we know for a fact the system won't allow more than one FP for the same ride? I know it won't let you preschedule for the same ride twice. But if they do have some same day FPs, do we know you couldn't duplicate what you had prescheduled? My own guess is that there will be same day FPs but they will be the extra fluff (Pirates, Philharmagic, that sort of thing) so it will be a non-issue.

Of course certain times of the year might have lower demand resulting in more decent "leftovers" but the very nature of that might render FPs unnecessary in the first place.

 

[dadddio]

All subject to change, of course.

Everything in the world is subject to change, but if we are not going to put some amount of stock in the information that has already been officially released, then there really is no point in discussing the topic.

 

[dadddio]

Well, ultimately it won't matter what we choose to believe. It will be what it is.

Do we know for a fact the system won't allow more than one FP for the same ride? I know it won't let you preschedule for the same ride twice. But if they do have some same day FPs, do we know you couldn't duplicate what you had prescheduled?

We do not know whether multiple FPs will be able to be scheduled for the same ride.

My own guess is that there will be same day FPs but they will be the extra fluff (Pirates, Philharmagic, that sort of thing) so it will be a non-issue.

It's interesting to note that nearly every time someone throws out an example of something that no one would want a FP for, I can imagine wanting a FP for it. We are all different. That's the thing that those crunching hypothetical FP numbers keep missing.

 

[jennyerin]

My worry is that since they seem to have trouble getting the new website to work properly in recognizing reservations, booking dining etc, that we may schedule our FP+s but will they actually work at the right time and place.... It would not be fun to get to a ride at the scheduled time and find that there is no record of a FP+ for that person... I would not be upset if the new system isn't ready yet by our August trip.

 

[ManyMinnie]

Everything in the world is subject to change, but if we are not going to put some amount of stock in the information that has already been officially released, then there really is no point in discussing the topic.

You can put all the stock you want in what Disney has said.

Since they can't even figure out how to get the new website and app working correctly months after it was supposed to be live, it sure doesn't bode well for FP+.

Actions speak louder than words

 

[golf4miami]

I'm still looking for a response to this post I made yesterday:

No, I do not. However, that's not because of limits to the number of FPs that can be added to the system, but instead due to the FP distribution rules. The so-called two-hour rule and the inherent difficulty of scheduling that many activities is going to break your ability to get a FP for every ride in the park. That being said, what's the percentage of guests who are currently able to hit every ride and attraction in MK on a single day? If it's not zero, it certainly approaches zero.

You said:

If you were able to obtain FPs for the rides that you were interested in riding, how would you be unable to ride those rides?

And we already established that it would be next to difficult to ride a ride with a minimal wait without a FP. Do you not see where this becomes extremely difficult and cumbersome to the average family visiting the World?

 

[gwmort]

I am looking forward to fp+ a lot.

We seldom ride the same ride more than once, we usually use less than 4 fp's a day, and hate running around collecting them.

I am sure it will crimp the way some people tour, but it will enhance the way others do. I truly believe it will help many more guests than it hinders.