Some FP+ Info

[CuteAsMinnie]

You're right...all those people reporting back were just "speculating" on their experiences waiting in lines twice and three times as long as posted wait times.

Well, since you highlighted the following:

"As such I refuse to accept the premise that FastPass+ will force people to waiti in longer lines and have less time to do other things"

led one to believe that your reference to this quote pertained to "the premise of Fastpass+" and nothing further

 

[golf4miami]

Of course not, they will walk right on 4 of those attractions with their fp+'s. I just use that as a baseline worst case scenario, anything that improves on 9 1-hr waits is likely better for the "average" family.

Most people on here wouldn't want to wait an hour for any ride, because with planning they can avoid it, but that is not average. Go to any of the parks on nearly any day and you will find thousands of people standing in 1+ hr standby lines, that is average. The new system will help more of them by making more of the commando planners wait in lines too.

The people who are upset about not riding Space mountain 5x in one day will be disadvantaged, the 4 other people that get to ride with shorter waits because that guy only goes once now will be advantaged.

Yes, they will get to ride those 4 rides with a 'minimal' wait. Yet, all of the other rides they will have to wait an hour for. This still isn't fair and doesn't work for most families. Just like a PP said, they would much rather ride the small rides over and over again than the larger rides even once, so you're telling me that family is going to be punished because they would rather ride Pirates and Tommorowland Speedway multiple times instead of wanting to ride the bigger rides too?

 

[kaybird]

Really thought I wouldn't chime in, but I am amused enough to comment. Like any other change, we have 14 pages of "What if's?" Most of you would not remember the change from tickets books to one price admission. ("SO unfair! What if I don't ride roller coasters?" "Now everyone can ride E tickets" etc)

Then FP. People didn't understand it. I can positively state that this is still true for a great many park visitors. Used effectively it is wonderful. Planning your life around it is a headache.

Now FP+. We don't know how it will wind up. The RFID is changeable, so I suspect there will be a great many tweaks from the "official" roll out to what we will be complaining or cheering about in 1 year.

Veterans in the park rarely need more than 4 FP a day; it will take a while to get used to the new flow.

 

[gwmort]

Really thought I wouldn't chime in, but I am amused enough to comment. Like any other change, we have 14 pages of "What if's?" Most of you would not remember the change from tickets books to one price admission. ("SO unfair! What if I don't ride roller coasters?" "Now everyone can ride E tickets" etc)

Then FP. People didn't understand it. I can positively state that this is still true for a great many park visitors. Used effectively it is wonderful. Planning your life around it is a headache.

Now FP+. We don't know how it will wind up. The RFID is changeable, so I suspect there will be a great many tweaks from the "official" roll out to what we will be complaining or cheering about in 1 year.

Veterans in the park rarely need more than 4 FP a day; it will take a while to get used to the new flow.

Well said

 

[dadddio]

But as we have pointed out numerous times, the numbers just don't support this as being able to happen. There is no way you can add people to the FP que of a ride and not make the stand-by time longer.

This is especially troubling for the rides that don't currently have FP.

Since you are repeating what you guys have 'pointed out numerous times', I'll do the same. The more people that are added to the FP line and the easier it is to get a FP, the less important SB wait times are. Thinking otherwise is just a trap that people fall into by considering the SB line the 'regular' line instead of the Stand By line.

 

[mom2rtk]

Since you are repeating what you guys have 'pointed out numerous times', I'll do the same. The more people that are added to the FP line and teh easier it is to get a FP, the less important SB wait times are. Thinking otherwise is just a trap that people fall into by considering the SB line the 'regular' line instead of the Stand By line.

So who gets to define "standby"? That line has never been anything but the "regular" line. The non-FP line. To try to compare it to the definition of "standby" used by airlines is sort of disingenuous.

 

[dadddio]

Recent reports have said otherwise.

What recent reports? FP+ isnt even up and running yet.

 

[mom2rtk]

What recent reports? FP+ isnt even up and running yet.

I believe ManyMinnie is referring to the rash of stories reported here in various threads about people getting in standby lines that turn out to be 3 or 4 times longer than the posted wait time.

 

[dadddio]

You're right...all those people reporting back were just "speculating" on their experiences waiting in lines twice and three times as long as posted wait times.

Thier issues were wait times that were significantly longer than posted. Thier issues were not that FP+ was causing long lines, which it wasn't since FP+ doesn't actually exist yet.

 

[golf4miami]

Since you are repeating what you guys have 'pointed out numerous times', I'll do the same. The more people that are added to the FP line and teh easier it is to get a FP, the less important SB wait times are. Thinking otherwise is just a trap that people fall into by considering the SB line the 'regular' line instead of the Stand By line.

Not only has the normal line never been truly a Stand By line but just the normal non-fastpass line, they are actually making it harder to get FP by my standards. In a normal day at Disney I can probably accrue 6 FP on my own without trying. Not to mention most of those would be to E ticket attractions since that's what I normally use them on. Now, you take 2 of those out of my hands right away, not to mention the fact that now I'm only allowed 1 E ticket FP a day instead of the 3,4, or 5 I would have gotten otherwise.

Not only that, but now I'm going to be made to wait in line behind FP people on rides that we've never had FP for before and was always first come first serve.

 

[dadddio]

So who gets to define "standby"? That line has never been anything but the "regular" line. The non-FP line. To try to compare it to the definition of "standby" used by airlines is sort of disingenuous.

Those that write dictionaries and those that put signs on queues that say 'standby' get to define the word. Given that, in practice, those in the SB line basically wait behind the FPers, it appears that the company is using the term correctly.

 

[dadddio]

Not only has the normal line never been truly a Stand By line but just the normal non-fastpass line, they are actually making it harder to get FP by my standards. In a normal day at Disney I can probably accrue 6 FP on my own without trying. Not to mention most of those would be to E ticket attractions since that's what I normally use them on. Now, you take 2 of those out of my hands right away,

That's one way of looking at it, I suppose. Here's another: They are not taking two out of your hands 'right away'. They are allowing you to schedule four of them sixty days in advance.

not to mention the fact that now I'm only allowed 1 E ticket FP a day instead of the 3,4, or 5 I would have gotten otherwise.

WHo is only allowing you to get one e-ticket FP? Nothing like that has been officially released.

Not only that, but now I'm going to be made to wait in line behind FP people on rides that we've never had FP for before and was always first come first serve.

Of course, you might wait behind or in front of those people in the FP line. Who knows?

 

[mom2rtk]

Those that write dictionaries and those that put signs on queues that say 'standby' get to define the word. Given that, in practice, those in the SB line basically wait behind the FPers, it appears that the company is using the term correctly.

Does Disney even officially call this a "standby" line, or is that just the term people here use?" I honestly have no idea.

I'm just saying, just because some call it "standby" does not mean that people should be OK with crazy waits.

 

[golf4miami]

That's one way of looking at it, I suppose. Here's another: They are not taking two out of your hands 'right away'. They are allowing you to schedule four of them sixty days in advance.

Yes, but not all of us like to have our vacation planned 60 days in advance. To be honest I'm much more of a "Ok we'll need a FP for that but whenever we get to it we get to it" kind of person. Not to mention I like to be able to be flexible and change my plans based on how busy the park is and what we feel like that day. Now this will no longer be possible.

WHo is only allowing you to get one e-ticket FP? Nothing like that has been officially released.

In the terms of service and has been said by CM the FP will be on a tiered system. 1 High 2 Middle and 1 Low. So, you will only have the ability to get 1 FP to a mountain a day. Then you'll have to wait in the SB lines for the other two.

Of course, you might wait behind or in front of those people in the FP line. Who knows?

By your vary definition of Stand By I would be made to wait until every possible person in the FP line is on the ride before I get to board. Not to mention all of the other people in the Stand By line in front of me.

 

[Robo]

Does Disney even officially call this a "standby" line...

Yup.

The one below looks like the entrance at Kilimanjaro Safaris.

 

[mom2rtk]

Yup.

The one below looks like the entrance at Kilimanjaro Safaris.

Thanks Robo!

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I spoke to a CM at BOG the other day who said it will have a big effect on dining because guests can reserve and even order meals.

I hope this isn't true.

 

[freediverdude]

It sounds to me like Disney is trying to make the FP line now the primary line that most people go through and take up most of the slots, either by prior reservation or day-of reservation, and the stand-by line be an extra line if you want to ride twice or whatever. As opposed to in the past and up til now, the stand-by line has been considered the primary line and fastpasses are to bypass it. So this may be a new way of thinking about it if they change it so the majority of riders are now FP.

 

[mcd2745]

It sounds to me like Disney is trying to make the FP line now the primary line that most people go through and take up most of the slots, either by prior reservation or day-of reservation, and the stand-by line be an extra line if you want to ride twice or whatever. As opposed to in the past and up til now, the stand-by line has been considered the primary line and fastpasses are to bypass it. So this may be a new way of thinking about it if they change it so the majority of riders are now FP.

I tend to agree with that and I think it's the big flaw in the assumptions all the "doom and gloom" posters are making. Many have said that the SB lines will become much much longer becuase of all the additional people who will have FPs. But if everyone will be using FPs for attractions, then there will be far less SB riders overall.

 

[mesaboy2]

I tend to agree with that and I think it's the big flaw in the assumptions all the "doom and gloom" posters are making. Many have said that the SB lines will become much much longer becuase of all the additional people who will have FPs. But if everyone will be using FPs for attractions, then there will be far less SB riders overall.

And the appeal of FP would seem to diminish.