Some FP+ Info

[WillAustin]

So this may be a new way of thinking about it if they change it so the majority of riders are now FP.

Once the FP+ line extends to over 10 minutes, it loses my definition of "fast" regardless of the stand-by wait.

 

[ManyMinnie]

I believe ManyMinnie is referring to the rash of stories reported here in various threads about people getting in standby lines that turn out to be 3 or 4 times longer than the posted wait time.

Yes, I am.

 

[freediverdude]

And the appeal of FP would seem to diminish.

But see you're still looking at it from the point of view of FP= skip the regular line. That's not going to be the point of it anymore. The point of it now with MyMagic+ is that everybody will be scheduling their ride times. There won't be a need to "skip the regular line" anymore. And because of everyone scheduling their times, the FP line still should maintain a short wait.

Now of course this is all in theory, lol. But I think it could work. There will be a need to educate the public about it more though, and put it out there as the main way to tour the parks. But I'm sure there will be tons of Look! New MyMagic+! type advertising.

 

[mikegood2]

Yes, but not all of us like to have our vacation planned 60 days in advance. To be honest I'm much more of a "Ok we'll need a FP for that but whenever we get to it we get to it" kind of person. Not to mention I like to be able to be flexible and change my plans based on how busy the park is and what we feel like that day. Now this will no longer be possible.

I understand the frustration of planning that far in advance, but their are people who love that kind of control. I also like the day of flexibility, but how do you know that will no longer be possible? It will likely be different than what you are use too, but it doesn't mean that it has to be! The problem is you have already decided that it is! You could very well be right, but you may also be wrong. I think a bigger issue is that for awhile, both systems will be in place. When we go in June that will most likely be the case and I don't know what system will be better for us! Again, the biggest problem is that we don't know what it will be. Ideally I see both systems merging. Pick your 3 or 4 in advance and once you are in the park, it is more like traditional FP. I think I'd like the ability to open the app or visit a kiosk and select a FP from a list. No need to run all over the park to grab a FP!

In the terms of service and has been said by CM the FP will be on a tiered system. 1 High 2 Middle and 1 Low. So, you will only have the ability to get 1 FP to a mountain a day. Then you'll have to wait in the SB lines for the other two.

Again the 1/2/1 system is the current rumor but its just that a rumor. Also, how do you know that you will only be able to get one FP to a mountain? You don't, yet you keep acting as if you do! While it looks like we can only select one E ticket in advance, what's to say we won't be able to get more once we are at the park? That's one of the reasons I see them only allowing us to pre-select one, that way there should be more available each day. Will some people be able to get as many as they can with the current system? Probably not, but again we don't know that for sure.

 

[dadddio]

By your vary definition of Stand By I would be made to wait until every possible person in the FP line is on the ride before I get to board. Not to mention all of the other people in the Stand By line in front of me.

You missed my point. Here it is again: You might be in the FP line with them.

 

[golf4miami]

I tend to agree with that and I think it's the big flaw in the assumptions all the "doom and gloom" posters are making. Many have said that the SB lines will become much much longer becuase of all the additional people who will have FPs. But if everyone will be using FPs for attractions, then there will be far less SB riders overall.

But good luck getting the FPs you'll need in order to get in all the rides you want in a day at the parks.

And the appeal of FP would seem to diminish.

Yes, exactly.

Once the FP+ line extends to over 10 minutes, it loses my definition of "fast" regardless of the stand-by wait.

Agreed. 100%

 

[mom2rtk]

You missed my point. Here it is again: You might be in the FP line with them.

Not if I can only get FP for one E ticket ride per day.

If that turns out to be the case, and if standby isn't a decent option, then I won't be in either the standby OR the fastpass line. Because I won't be at Disney.

 

[dadddio]

Since FPs are scheduled within return windows, the only way that the FP line can grow very long is through extraordinary return time 'clumping' which would tend to self-correct.

 

[golf4miami]

I understand the frustration of planning that far in advance, but their are people who love that kind of control. I also like the day of flexibility, but how do you know that will no longer be possible? It will likely be different than what you are use too, but it doesn't mean that it has to be! The problem is you have already decided that it is! You could very well be right, but you may also be wrong. I think a bigger issue is that for awhile, both systems will be in place. When we go in June that will most likely be the case and I don't know what system will be better for us! Again, the biggest problem is that we don't know what it will be. Ideally I see both systems merging. Pick your 3 or 4 in advance and once you are in the park, it is more like traditional FP. I think I'd like the ability to open the app or visit a kiosk and select a FP from a list. No need to run all over the park to grab a FP!

I appreciate the points you are making and I appreciate the way you are trying to make them as well. The point is that I don't get to visit very often since I'm from Ohio and it seems at least to me that this is going to severely limit the amount I'm going to be able to accomplish in a trip. Especially since I'm not a planner.

Again the 1/2/1 system is the current rumor but its just that a rumor. Also, how do you know that you will only be able to get one FP to a mountain? You don't, yet you keep acting as if you do! While it looks like we can only select one E ticket in advance, what's to say we won't be able to get more once we are at the park? That's one of the reasons I see them only allowing us to pre-select one, that way there should be more available each day. Will some people be able to get as many as they can with the current system? Probably not, but again we don't know that for sure.

You're right about it only being a rumor, yet considering this is how the system has worked for all the beta testers so far, I think it's fairly logical to assume this is going to be how it would work. The problem in allowing more FP's to be released the day of is that given each guest 4 fast passes already the system is already almost to full capacity. Adding more to that would just overload it.

You missed my point. Here it is again: You might be in the FP line with them.

I don't see how this could be possible considering I can only get 4 fastpasses at some point if I want to ride more than 4 rides I'm going to have to get in a Stand By line.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Not if I can only get FP for one E ticket ride per day.

If that turns out to be the case, and if standby isn't a decent option, then I won't be in either the standby OR the fastpass line. Because I won't be at Disney.

Agree with everything you just stated 1000%. Especially the last line.

 

[ManyMinnie]

Not if I can only get FP for one E ticket ride per day.

If that turns out to be the case, and if standby isn't a decent option, then I won't be in either the standby OR the fastpass line. Because I won't be at Disney.

 

[Lorilais_mommie]

Originally Posted by *NikkiBell*
I spoke to a CM at BOG the other day who said it will have a big effect on dining because guests can reserve and even order meals.

What's going to happen to all those meals that get ordered, and never picked up?
Will they be charged to the CC anyways? I can see this happening A LOT!

 

[dadddio]

I appreciate the points you are making and I appreciate the way you are trying to make them as well. The point is that I don't get to visit very often since I'm from Ohio and it seems at least to me that this is going to severely limit the amount I'm going to be able to accomplish in a trip. Especially since I'm not a planner.

There was talk of there being prearranged plans for non-planners. It actually reminded me of the categories in January's contest.

You're right about it only being a rumor, yet considering this is how the system has worked for all the beta testers so far, I think it's fairly logical to assume this is going to be how it would work. The problem in allowing more FP's to be released the day of is that given each guest 4 fast passes already the system is already almost to full capacity. Adding more to that would just overload it.

The FP system is only near capacity if you consider the FP line secondary to the SB line. If you make FP the primary line, you have tons of excess capacity.

I don't see how this could be possible considering I can only get 4 fastpasses at some point if I want to ride more than 4 rides I'm going to have to get in a Stand By line.

There is no indication that same-day FPs won't be available. To put it in a way that you will almost certainly agree with, all the beta tests allowed for same-day FPs, so we should assume that the final product will, also.

 

[Robo]

The FP system is only near capacity if you consider the FP line secondary to the SB line. If you make FP the primary line, you have tons of excess capacity.

As has been said, THEN it is no longer "fast."

Why would I want to schedule a 45-60 minute wait in line 60 days out?

 

[dadddio]

As has been said, THEN it is no longer "fast."

Why would I want to schedule a 45-60 minute wait in line 60 days out?

The scheduled FP wait time could never be 60 minutes. The only way that it could reach 60 minutes is if they scheduled FPs to meet 100% of a ride's capacity and everyone else who had the same return time as you stepped into the queue seconds before you.

Given that they will never schedule FPs to be 100% of capacity and people tend to return disbursed throughout the return window, the FP wait should always be fairly short.

 

[dadddio]

Originally Posted by *NikkiBell*
I spoke to a CM at BOG the other day who said it will have a big effect on dining because guests can reserve and even order meals.

What's going to happen to all those meals that get ordered, and never picked up?
Will they be charged to the CC anyways? I can see this happening A LOT!

They will almost certainly be charged.

 

[Sammie]

They will almost certainly be charged.

Yes one thing I think is certain on any of this, abuse will not be allowed.

 

[golf4miami]

There was talk of there being prearranged plans for non-planners. It actually reminded me of the categories in January's contest.

I don't want anyone else prearranging my vacation either. That's even worse than not having anything scheduled!

There is no indication that same-day FPs won't be available. To put it in a way that you will almost certainly agree with, all the beta tests allowed for same-day FPs, so we should assume that the final product will, also.

The math doesn't add up! You cannot give everyone 4 FPs and then have some left over to give out the day of. Especially in parks like Epcot and AK just just aren't enough rides to even support the 4 everyone gets to begin with.

 

[mom2rtk]

The only way that it could reach 60 minutes is if they scheduled FPs to meet 100% of a ride's capacity and everyone else who had the same return time as you stepped into the queue seconds before you.

....... or if Disney cannot resist the urge to squeeze just a little more capacity out of their infrastructure.......

....... or if a ride goes down. But then that hardly ever happens, so it's hardly worth even mentioning......

Actually what you are describing is no longer a fastpass system. It is an appointment system.

 

[dadddio]

I don't want anyone else prearranging my vacation either. That's even worse than not having anything scheduled!

I don't know what to tell you. Your hypothetical choices seem to be preselected some FPs and then get some more same-day, allow then to preselect some for you and get some more same-day, just use same-day FPs, pr don't use any FPs.

The math doesn't add up! You cannot give everyone 4 FPs and then have some left over to give out the day of. Especially in parks like Epcot and AK just just aren't enough rides to even support the 4 everyone gets to begin with.

There's several rides and attractions that could be FPable in AK and Epcot. For instance, we have small children, so our AK FPs are going to be heavy on the character meets. That being said, if there are only three attractions that you want to ride, just get three FPs.