Soda and Fruit Juices Should be Banned

[lisaviolet]

While exercise is important, it's not the main driver. What I don't get is the adult numbers

But daily moving is, just not what people here deem exercise.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

So instead parent parenting the answer is for society to ban things?

Is that what I’m understanding ?

 

[RamblingMad]

But daily moving is, just not what people here deem exercise.

Sitting down all day we have learned is bad. However, you can't outrun a bad diet.

We are also learning that saunas impact the body like moderate cardio.

Science keeps changing.

 

[cedricandsophie]

That's how grocery stores were when I was a kid. But they quickly changed in the 80s.

Not sure where you grew up but I’m 72 snd grew up in central illinois. I didn’t see whole grain or really any vegetables not in a can until I moved to chicago area in the 70s.

 

[RamblingMad]

And that timing brings me right back to my first post on this thread... The FDA approved high fructose corn syrup in 1983, setting up a perfect storm of a newly-approved, cheap (due to subsidies) and stable sweetener that food producers were more than happy to find uses for. And over the next decade or so, everything we eat got sweeter. I have to buy a ridiculously expensive small-label organic ketchup to get something that tastes like the Del Monte I grew up with because now all the big brands are sweeter and less tomato-tasting than they were in the 80s. And even when brands shift away from HFCS in response to consumer concerns, they don't revert to old recipes. They just substitute other sweeteners, because sweeter products sell better and encourage more consumption.

I don't think we need a ban. I think we need to revise the farm bill to limit the billions that flow into making our food supply sweeter and less healthy.

** And at this point in any online conversation on the topic, I'd like to make it clear that I'm not buying into the junk science about there being metabolic differences between HFCS and other sugars; I'm talking strictly about the economics/marketing/food engineering side of the equation and how a cheaper sweetener made for sweeter food products and higher sweetener consumption across the board. Even super-size free refills rest largely on our farm policy because Coke is literally cheap enough for chains to give away **

Economically, Coke is doing great. They had a great quarter.

And there is a lot of research about diet sodas that use different types of sweeteners as well.

We're pretty much doomed.

I'm making homemade marinara sauce tonight to avoid the garbage that's in sauces these days too. Everything is so sweet.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Picking out a handful of items and saying that food was processed back then isn't really an argument. It's like finding some outliers and saying that's the norm.

What percentage of groceries sold in the 70s were processed versus today? That's the metric I'm talking about.

When exactly do you think TV dinners came to popularity? Boxed cake mix?

There was a ton of processed food back then.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

When exactly do you think TV dinners came to popularity? Boxed cake mix?

There was a ton of processed food back then.

Just wondering,
are you claiming cake from a baker is better for you than box cake….

 

[RamblingMad]

When exactly do you think TV dinners came to popularity? Boxed cake mix?

There was a ton of processed food back then.

What are you getting at? I never said processed foods didn't exist back in the 70s and 80s. I said less process food was available.

You haven't said anything to suggest that wasn't the case.

 

[Sinder]

While exercise is important, it's not the main driver. What I don't get is the adult numbers.

I don't think it's activity related. The amount of exercise you have to do to offset diet is huge. For example, one can of soda is equivalent to 2-3 miles of walking. We're consuming too much. And not all calories are equal. And the way our bodies processes certain calories changes as we age. The science is too complex for the mainstream consumer.

It’s not about going crazy with exercise it’s about not having a mostly sedentary lifestyle especially as you age.

 

[lisaviolet]

Sitting down all day we have learned is bad. However, you can't outrun a bad diet

People quote that all the flippin' time. Yet after living decades in a downtown core, it simply does not jive. Gym use/workouts possibly, but not movement..

No one, well let's go with hardly anyone, living there is overweight. Yes overweight does not mean necessarily unhealthy numbers, but chances are better.

And no huge percentage of people.have these stellar diets there. It is not just my city of course, it is cities all over the world.

Because of daily movement. Up.stairs, down stairs, leaving the car at home, carrying bags. Walking for hours and not giving it thought. Destination biking, carefree biking.

All the little daily movements that happened in your charts pre-80s. When we opened garage doors and got up to change the tv. And not so elevator and escalator based living, which is still the case in many countries without these issues being so widespread.

And this has nothing to do with cities. People.workimg the land, doing construction, people in the country living the same lifestyle blah blah blah - daily movement is beyond our use of the word *exercise*.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Does anyone else feel like we are being trolled here?

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Just wondering,
are you claiming cake from a baker is better for you than box cake….

Never said that, nor implied it. We were talking about processed foods.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Never said that, nor implied it. We were talking about processed foods.

Ok, I was just wondering were that was going.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

What are you getting at? I never said processed foods didn't exist back in the 70s and 80s. I said less process food was available.

You haven't said anything to suggest that wasn't the case.

Yes, actually you did. You said it didn’t change until the 80s

 

[QueenIsabella]

Does anyone else feel like we are being trolled here?

Yep! Especially since the OP stands by his statement that processed foods weren't readily available until the 80's, after literally dozens of people have pointed to examples of that being false. Even if the OP's parents didn't buy processed food, he surely encountered it in the school lunch room when the kid next to him pulled out Twinkies and Fritos.

 

[EACarlson]

Does anyone else remember Jolt Cola - double the sugar, double the caffeine. Why stop at juice and soda why not sports drinks or monster type drinks etc.

Jolt Cola is still around. I find it in the little stop and robs all the time. Along with it's newer more contemporary companion, Water Joe. The same amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee with all the pretentiousness of a bottle of water.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Yep! Especially since the OP stands by his statement that processed foods weren't readily available until the 80's, after literally dozens of people have pointed to examples of that being false. Even if the OP's parents didn't buy processed food, he surely encountered it in the school lunch room when the kid next to him pulled out Twinkies and Fritos.

That is the real answer here parents
if parents don’t want their kids having soda parent should not buy it.

 

[Jennasis]

Stop trying to make fetch happen. It's NEVER going to happen.

 

[pahoben]

Yes, because that's a scary slippery slope given insurance companies' past history in finding the flimsies possible reasons to exclude issues from coverage. Pretty much every common chronic condition can be attributed to some combination of behavior and genetics, so if insurers are allowed to exclude coverage for health issues that have a behavioral/lifestyle element to them, you should be fully prepared for not just diabetes and heart disease but also most cancers, STDs, and even accidental injury to be subjected to the same behavioral tests. Sorry, your skin cancer treatment isn't covered because it is attributable to spending too much unprotected time in the sun. Surgery to set your broken leg isn't covered because skiing is a high risk activity. Where would it end?

The entire idea of insurance is to pool risk, and allowing exclusions based on individual factors contradicts that idea. Insurers would love to only cover the healthy and cautious, but on a societal level, that would be a disaster.

I agree with you about insurance companies. They even enjoy regulatory protection. If you look at a company like Cigna, they have 70,000 employees including very qualified actuaries determining risks. Their clients have some pooled risk and after they pay claims and operating expenses like employee salaries they still have a tidy profit. This implies if the average person elected not to insure, and so bore his own risk, he would have positive expectation of reduced costs by not contributing to the operating expenses and profits of CIGNA. On top of that insurers now look for ways to make approval of claims as difficult as possible. Corporations are theoretically legal fictional persons but enjoy benefits that no real people with an actual heartbeat enjoy. When you have lobbyists writing legislation then no wonder you have advantages over the rest of us that actually have an actual heartbeat and are non-fictional persons under the law.

 

[TheIncredibles!]

So instead parent parenting the answer is for society to ban things?

Is that what I’m understanding ?

Yes.

I am now going to go enjoy another cup of my very healthy bean water with cow juice! I know it has caffeine and it is bad for me but it is a vegetable.