So When Did YOU Come Around on Same-Sex Marriage?

[NHdisneylover]

Just as an aside, I think that in the coming years we're going to find it's a much larger percentage than 3.8% of people who identify as something other that strictly heterosexual.

If my circle of friends, and my family, are any indication, oh goodness yes.

 

[ravenclawtrekkie]

The topic never really entered my consciousness until I realized as an adolescent that I wasn't straight. It was never something that was discussed positively or negatively in my household.

 

[Teresa Pitman]

I am surprised by the suggestion that the chance of meeting a same-sex married couple is "close to zero." I live in a mid-sized town in Ontario and I know about 10 married same-sex couples (okay, one of them split up). They are certainly not the majority of my friends but zero?

 

[momto2girls]

I am surprised by the suggestion that the chance of meeting a same-sex married couple is "close to zero." I live in a mid-sized town in Ontario and I know about 10 married same-sex couples (okay, one of them split up). They are certainly not the majority of my friends but zero?

It is interesting how different our experiences are regarding this issue. I live in one of the top 15 cities in the U.S. in population size, and I don't know any same-sex couples, married or not. None. There are no gay people in my husband's family or mine. Actually, I only know a few gay people casually and they aren't in our circle of friends. They are acquaintances. So, that poster's comments don't seem off to me, but I do realize that everyone has different environments.

 

[JoeA]

but don't you see, you didn't want to return to that church, why would a gay couple be any different... why on earth would a gay couple want their special wedding day ruined by someone that doesn't want them???

Because said gay couple, or

but don't you see, you didn't want to return to that church, why would a gay couple be any different... why on earth would a gay couple want their special wedding day ruined by someone that doesn't want them???

I think you missed the entire point (it was political) and use of the word "forced" in my post. As in, "If the church is forced...". Maybe not entirely on point, but like the baker was sued because he didn't want to make a wedding cake. Why didn't they simply find another baker?

 

[mnrose]

And, now the thread has morphed into an abortion thread. If we can hit Sea World and peanuts on planes, we will have achieved nirvana for the disboards.

 

[mnrose]

It is interesting how different our experiences are regarding this issue. I live in one of the top 15 cities in the U.S. in population size, and I don't know any same-sex couples, married or not. None. There are no gay people in my husband's family or mine. Actually, I only know a few gay people casually and they aren't in our circle of friends. They are acquaintances. So, that poster's comments don't seem off to me, but I do realize that everyone has different environments.

I know quite a few gay couples. I used to live in San Francisco. But, my longest and closest gay friends are two women from college (a very small town in Minnesota, population less than 5000 then and now). They were "together" during college. Now, they are both married, not to each other. So, out of my circle of 4 close college friends (the so-called "gang of 5"), two of them are gay married women. That makes 40%. :-D

 

[NHdisneylover]

It is interesting how different our experiences are regarding this issue. I live in one of the top 15 cities in the U.S. in population size, and I don't know any same-sex couples, married or not. None. There are no gay people in my husband's family or mine. Actually, I only know a few gay people casually and they aren't in our circle of friends. They are acquaintances. So, that poster's comments don't seem off to me, but I do realize that everyone has different environments.

It'S actually kind of a running joke with some of my friends that I must be a gay magnet because I have so many queer friends. No particular reason why, that I know of.

My dad' cousin grew up in and taught kindergarten in rural Texas. Yep, an out gay man teaching kindergarten in rural Texas 15 years ago. I love seeing his former students post on his facebook page about how much they loved his class and what a great start to school they had as they head off to college now.

A few friends I still keep in touch with from highschoo--we all grew up in and around Boulder, Colorado.

Friends from the metro Detroit area

Friends we met living in a small town in New Hampshire (several couples we met there)

People DH works with who are from New Hampshire, Mexico, Germany, Italy . . .

People who are mostly my parents' friends who live near them in Mexico

People we met on the DIS and at Disney and on cruises and formed ongoing friendships with (who live in smaller towns in upstate New York, New Mexico and Texas, big cities like Vegas, Dallas and Boston, etc)

My own kid

Generally--I really do not think it is all that geographic, and my own experiences support that--though there may well be areas where people feel more comfortable being themselves in public than in other places and perhaps there is some reason people feel comfortable being out around me regardless of where they live or the prevailing attitudes there.

 

[NHdisneylover]

Maybe not entirely on point, but like the baker was sued because he didn't want to make a wedding cake. Why didn't they simply find another baker?

The baker was reported to the authorities for illegal discrimination (if you run a business you may NOT discriminate based on many criteria and in that area sexual orientation was one----this post from you might as well ask why "colored" people didn't just shop at other stores, or sit in the back of the bus since it got them where they were going anyway).

The baker was fined because of how awful he was after being reported for his illegal treatment of a customer. The couple did not sue--only filed a complaint.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...ng_you_heard_on_the_sweet_cakes_case_is_false

 

[Topper]

because I have so many queer friends

I've seen you use the word "queer" on many threads in regards to homosexuals. The word "queer" is usually used in a derogatory manner and I am taken aback every time I see you use it.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

And, now the thread has morphed into an abortion thread. If we can hit Sea World and peanuts on planes, we will have achieved nirvana for the disboards.

You forgot leaving shopping carts in parking lots, children on leashes, children in opposite gender bathrooms, FP+, and ECVs

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I've seen you use the word "queer" on many threads in regards to homosexuals. The word "queer" is usually used in a derogatory manner and I am taken aback every time I see you use it.

My old college roommate is a lesbian trans woman. She just used the word "queer" the other day in a Facebook conversation with me in reference to two bisexual women who were a polyamorous relationship with Wonder Woman creator William Moulton Marston. As far as I know, it's bee appropriated by the LGTB community (sometimes called LGTBQ). See also: "Queer as Folk" and "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" tv shows.

 

[SirDuff]

I've seen you use the word "queer" on many threads in regards to homosexuals. The word "queer" is usually used in a derogatory manner and I am taken aback every time I see you use it.

I wonder if that is regional? Many friends that I have identify as (and refer to themselves as) queer. Definitely not derogatory.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

Gay friends of ours were on their way to their honeymoon after finally being allowed to marry. At the airport they were informed that there would be a person with peanut allergies on the plane and were asked to not open or eat any peanut products. They landed in Orlando with nobody dying from peanut allergies or diabetic shock and got their luggage and rental car. They drove over to Sea World and enjoyed a killer whale show or two during the day. They then went to stay at All Star Music and spent the rest of the week pool hopping all the deluxe resorts. They even parked at the Contemporary one day for a swim and then just walked over to the MK without getting their rental car towed! Can you believe that!? I was amazed. They used the extra free dining plan credits for all the imaginary people in their room and brought home some great snacks for all of us.

The day they came home to share their great story with me was the day I "came around" on same sex marriage.



There ya go @mnrose

 

[NHdisneylover]

I've seen you use the word "queer" on many threads in regards to homosexuals. The word "queer" is usually used in a derogatory manner and I am taken aback every time I see you use it.

That seems to be a bit of a generational thing, but the vast majority of people in that group whom I know prefer the term "queer" as it is all encompassing and not so limiting in definition--more inclusive if you will.

It is definitely the preferred of my daughter, and of a friend of mine whose official job title is "director of queer health" He was the first person to push me to use the term, almost a decade ago--and I resisted for a long time, specifically for fear people would react as you do, but so many people have pushed me to now, people who ARE "queer" that I figure they are the ones I should respect and I follow their lead.

 

[NHdisneylover]

What was the "Gay Straight Alliance" when I was in college is not the "Queer Straight Alliance" in many colleges now that my daughter is heading off as a Freshman:

https://queerstraightalliance.wordpress.com/


etc--plus if you google you will see tons of "Queer" support groups, "Queer" health groups, and much more.

I do think the term tended to be used in a derogatory manner in my in-law's generation and even some older GLBT+ people are not fond of the term, so I totally understand the reaction to it--but, again, 90% or more of those I know prefer it because of the inclusiveness of the one word.

Edited_ spell check changed INclusivity to EXclusivtiy and I failed to catch it at first, sorry. I suppose it would help to use a real word there.

 

[ashley0139]

I've seen you use the word "queer" on many threads in regards to homosexuals. The word "queer" is usually used in a derogatory manner and I am taken aback every time I see you use it.

It's mostly been reclaimed by the community these days. It's not my preferred term, but I don't bump on it when I see it. Lots of people prefer it these days because it doesn't put you into one box (lesbian, bisexual, etc). It just indicates that you are not a cis (there's that word again) heterosexual person.

 

[ashley0139]

Gay friends of ours were on their way to their honeymoon after finally being allowed to marry. At the airport they were informed that there would be a person with peanut allergies on the plane and were asked to not open or eat any peanut products. They landed in Orlando with nobody dying from peanut allergies or diabetic shock and got their luggage and rental car. They drove over to Sea World and enjoyed a killer whale show or two during the day. They then went to stay at All Star Music and spent the rest of the week pool hopping all the deluxe resorts. They even parked at the Contemporary one day for a swim and then just walked over to the MK without getting their rental car towed! Can you believe that!? I was amazed. They used the extra free dining plan credits for all the imaginary people in their room and brought home some great snacks for all of us.

The day they came home to share their great story with me was the day I "came around" on same sex marriage.



There ya go @mnrose

The real question is, did they use their refillable mug from a past trip?

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Gay friends of ours were on their way to their honeymoon after finally being allowed to marry. At the airport they were informed that there would be a person with peanut allergies on the plane and were asked to not open or eat any peanut products. They landed in Orlando with nobody dying from peanut allergies or diabetic shock and got their luggage and rental car. They drove over to Sea World and enjoyed a killer whale show or two during the day. They then went to stay at All Star Music and spent the rest of the week pool hopping all the deluxe resorts. They even parked at the Contemporary one day for a swim and then just walked over to the MK without getting their rental car towed! Can you believe that!? I was amazed. They used the extra free dining plan credits for all the imaginary people in their room and brought home some great snacks for all of us.

The day they came home to share their great story with me was the day I "came around" on same sex marriage.



There ya go @mnrose

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

The real question is, did they use their refillable mug from a past trip?

I almost went there, but figured the RFID chip stuff would make it unbelievable or something.