So When Did YOU Come Around on Same-Sex Marriage?

[dinolounger]

Too bad that long blue line isn't to scale.

Actually, per the source data from Gallup, it is. I realize because the graph does not contain an X axis scale it is difficult to get a quantified sense of the hetero/non-hetero ratio. The percentage of the U.S population that identifies themselves as LGBT per Gallup's most recent (and inarguably scientifically rigorous) work is 3.8%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183383/americans-greatly-overestimate-percent-gay-lesbian.aspx

And to save everyone time, please let's not have responses citing the long discredited and archaic 1948 Kinsey "data" that so often pops up in these discussions.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Per the source data from Gallup, it is. The percentage of the U.S population that identifies themselves as LGBT per their most recent (and inarguably scientifically rigorous) work is 3.8%.

And to save everyone time, please let's not have responses citing the long discredited and archaic 1948 Kinsey "data" that so many of do in these discussions.

And those 3.8% Americans should have the same civil rights as other Americans.

 

[ashley0139]

And those 3.8% Americans should have the same civil rights as other Americans.

Just as an aside, I think that in the coming years we're going to find it's a much larger percentage than 3.8% of people who identify as something other that strictly heterosexual.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Just as an aside, I think that in the coming years we're going to find it's a much larger percentage than 3.8% of people who identify as something other that strictly heterosexual.

Lay money on it.

 

[katibosch]

I already know more than 3.8% of the people I know aren't straight. I honestly don't think the Kinsey numbers are that far off, but YMMV.

 

[SirDuff]

Sorry, misread the methodology.

 

[Topper]

And in other news, your tax dollars at work:

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/taxpayers...ns-find-out-why-lesbians-are-fat#.rcbbrk:AQf3

Candy Mandy, how many threads are you trying to get closed today?

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

Candy Mandy, how many threads are you trying to get closed today?

I've been wondering the same thing.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I already know more than 3.8% of the people I know aren't straight. I honestly don't think the Kinsey numbers are that far off, but YMMV.

I'd venture to say it's a smaller # for me. But, who knows.

 

[dinolounger]

I would definitely question the numbers, which aren't necessarily numbers.

The graph is based on numbers but as stated previously doesn't have (but yes, should, I didn't create it) an X axis scale. And if you are going to definitely question figures from Gallup, I hope you at a minimum hold a Ph.D. from the University of Michigan.

If such a small number of people are going to take advantage of the change, why are opponents of it so up in arms?

Which was basically my point. Outside certain metros with concentrations of LGBT, the likelihood of encountering a married same sex couple is close to zero. So many if not most of those unhappy about same sex marriage are engaging in the same behavior as those worried about becoming a terrorism victim (i.e. blowing the risk of being personally exposed to something they are concerned about way, way out of proportion).

What's behind that? I think a large part of it is the mainstream media making it seem as if everyone lives next door to same sex couple. That results in the point Gallup was making in the link I previously posted. Americans grossly overestimate the size of the LGBT population, which IMHO is directly related to the aforementioned media focus.

 

[bookgirl]

LOOK a Bridge, wonder what lives under that?

 

[SirDuff]

The graph is based on numbers but as stated previously doesn't have (but yes, should, I didn't create it) an X axis scale. And if you are going to definitely question figures from Gallup, I hope you at a minimum hold a Ph.D. from the University of Michigan.

How about one from Harvard? In Epidemiology. Which is what I have. And, yes, I question ALL numbers that come from studies. Can you actually cite where you got that picture from (and the numbers in it)? I see that you have an article that cites an article (that cites an article) about the 3.8%, but nothing for any of the other parts of the part.

 

[SirDuff]

Which was basically my point. Outside certain metros with concentrations of LGBT, the likelihood of encountering a married same sex couple is close to zero. So many if not most of those unhappy about same sex marriage are engaging in the same behavior as those worried about becoming a terrorism victim (i.e. blowing the risk of being personally exposed to something they are concerned about way, way out of proportion).

What's behind that? I think a large part of it is the mainstream media making it seem as if everyone lives next door to same sex couple. That results in the point Gallup was making in the link I previously posted. Americans grossly overestimate the size of the LGBT population, which IMHO is directly related to the aforementioned media focus.

Then why all your worry earlier in thread??

 

[lauradis]

I have never been against "gay" marriage. Any person over the age of 18 should have the right to get married to whom they please and have that legal binding contract from the government be legal in every state, even the bible belt states and the country of Texas too.

I'm more worried about lowering the age to get married. Or what most states call the age of consent to get married with permission from ones guardians.

 

[lauradis]

Man, I hope that doesn't come true, but I'm afraid it will. I don't care what side of the coin you fall on - politics have no role in religion, and vice versa.

I was attending a church in FL on a very regular basis and the preacher there refused to marry my wife and I because she was divorced. This was his religious beliefs, which I respected. We found a place that would marry us and never went back to the first church. It wasn't my "right" to get married where ever I wanted and I had choices. Simply put, I didn't agree with him, but I respected the preachers religious convictions.

How is that different than a church/preacher who doesn't believe in same sex marriage refusing to marry two dudes? If the church is forced to marry same sex couples regardless of their beliefs then the gay community hasn't stopped at wanting the same rights as "straight couples" - they have more demands and want more rights, which is wrong, IMO.

And for the record, I have never really cared one way or the other if same sex couples had the right to marry.

but don't you see, you didn't want to return to that church, why would a gay couple be any different... why on earth would a gay couple want their special wedding day ruined by someone that doesn't want them???

 

[lauradis]

Here is the funny thing about SSM, it has been going on for decades in the non legal fashion and the planet hasn't stopped spinning.

The only thing the USC did was to force 13 states to stop discriminating against 10% ish of the citizens in the USA.

 

[lauradis]

It is a state's rights issue. The Federal Government shouldn't have a say it it. Also, it was mainly passed by judges, not the people. When the people get to vote, it is almost always voted down. Nevertheless, I'm not going to get in a debate with anyone on how SSM affects me. That wasn't the initial question. I answered the OP's question. Also, whether it affects me or not isn't the issue, is it? There are many things that don't affect me that I don't believe in. Are you saying I should give up on my beliefs because something doesn't personally affect me, or do you just want to know why I haven't "come around"?

You mean like the south before the civil war???

There where only 13 states left.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/13/us/states-same-sex-marriage-ban/

Tennessee
Ohio
Texas
South Dakota
North Dakota
Nebraska
Mississippi
Missouri
Michigan
Kentucky
Louisiana
Georgia
Arkansas

 

[Saphire]

And those 3.8% Americans should have the same civil rights as other Americans.

As should the unborn. Where are their rights?

 

[lauradis]

As should the unborn. Where are their rights?

Your not a citizen in my eyes till your born, but don't worry, that fight will be going on forever, and im sure the same group will fight the newest humans right issue too.

 

[Art 1]

As should the unborn. Where are their rights?

One would think their mothers would stick their rights, but many don't. Very sad.