So whats really "The Plan" that Kerry has?

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ive heard kerry and john edwards say they have a plan but ive never heard either of them tell people what it is, how do u know if its going to be a good plan?..not saying its a bad plan either but no one knows what its going to be and i know i wouldnt want to vote for someone that wont tell their plan. I didnt really think of it until my AP US History teacher told the class that, he hasnt told anyone what "the plan" is.
 
Originally posted by soccercruiser87
ive heard kerry and john edwards say they have a plan but ive never heard either of them tell people what it is, how do u know if its going to be a good plan?..not saying its a bad plan either but no one knows what its going to be and i know i wouldnt want to vote for someone that wont tell their plan. I didnt really think of it until my AP US History teacher told the class that, he hasnt told anyone what "the plan" is.
I also heard he'll announce his "plan" after he is elected.:rolleyes:
 

From last night:
"We have a plan for Iraq. . . . We have a plan for success. . . . We have to do better. We have a plan. . . . We have plans on both of those subjects. . . . John Kerry and I have a plan to do something about it. . . . We have proposed a plan to keep cases out of the system that don't belong there. . . . We think we have a plan to keep cases that don't belong in the system out, but we also do what they haven't done. . . . We have a serious health care plan. . . . We have a clear plan to improve our public schools."--John Edwards, vice presidential debate, Oct. 5
Sorry, but just saying "we have a plan" is a cop-out. But it's a lot safer than giving some details that your opponent can then poke holes in.

I also saw this great summation of the Kerry/Edward's end-game strategy:
The Kedwards Two-Step

Having watched the first two debates, we can now discern a theme: Kedwards, trying to appeal to two different sets of voters, are sending two divergent sets of messages. We noted Friday that on numerous occasions during last week's debate John Kerry said something strong and sensible, followed by a "but" clause that contradicted or qualified it. President Bush laid out some of the foreign policy contradictions in a speech this morning:

"Last week in our debate he once again came down firmly on every side of the Iraq war. He stated that Saddam Hussein was a threat, and that America had no business removing that threat. Sen. Kerry said our soldiers and Marines are not fighting for a mistake, but also called the liberation of Iraq a "colossal error." He said we need to do more to train Iraqis, but he also said we shouldn't be spending so much money over there. He said he wants to hold a summit meeting--so he can invite other countries to join what he calls "the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time." He said terrorists are pouring across the Iraqi border, but also said that fighting those terrorists is a diversion from the war on terror. You hear all that, and you can understand why somebody would make a face."

John Edwards was at it last night too. "There is no connection between the attacks of Sept. 11 and Saddam Hussein," he declared. While this statement now appears to be true, in the sense that Saddam was not a conspirator in the attacks, pleading the innocence of America's enemies isn't an appealing message outside the antiwar left.And, as The Weekly Standard notes, two years ago Edwards did acknowledge connections of a different kind:

- "Others argue that if even our allies support us, we should not support this resolution because confronting Iraq now would undermine the long-term fight against terrorist groups like al Qaeda. Yet, I believe that this is not an either-or choice. Our national security requires us to do both, and we can."--Oct. 10, 2002


- "The terrorist threat against America is all too clear. Thousands of terrorist operatives around the world would pay anything to get their hands on Saddam's arsenal, and there is every reason to believe that Saddam would turn his weapons over to these terrorists. No one can doubt that if the terrorists of Sept. 11 had had weapons of mass destruction, they would have used them. On Sept. 12, 2002, we can hardly ignore the terrorist threat and the serious danger that Saddam would allow his arsenal to be used in aid of terror."--Sept. 12, 2002

Last night Edwards appealed to swing voters by acknowledging that "Saddam Hussein was a threat that needed to be addressed directly." Then he moved back to the left by saying that if the U.N. weapons inspectors "had time to do their job, they would have discovered what we now know, that in fact Saddam Hussein had no weapons, that in fact Saddam Hussein has no connection with 9/11, that in fact Saddam Hussein has little or no connection with al Qaeda."

It's a similar story on domestic policy. Kedwards want to cut taxes (yours) and raise taxes (on the other fellow, that rich scoundrel). They "believe that marriage is between a man and a woman," as Edwards said last night, but "we should not use the Constitution to divide this country."

Not all these positions are contradictory, and we even agree in part with that last one (we oppose both court-mandated same-sex marriage and the Federal Marriage Amendment). But when it comes to most issues, it's hard to tell which "side" they're on.

In domestic policy, at least, this reflects smart politics given that the Democrats' ideological base is committed to such unpopular things as higher taxes. Bill Clinton after all was the master of triangulation. In foreign policy, we have to agree with the president that sending "mixed messages" is dangerously irresponsible. But even there, it's probably Kedwards' best hope for victory. They have to be hawkish enough to appeal to swing voters yet dovish enough to hold their base, which otherwise might swing to Nader or just not turn out. Hence their votes for the war and against funding the troops. (Cheney on the latter got in one of his best digs of the night: "If they couldn't stand up to the pressures that Howard Dean represented, how can we expect them to stand up to al Qaeda?")

Thus Kedwards try to tell both sides what they want to hear. But that also means each side hears what the other side wants to hear. To judge by the enthusiasm Kerry has encountered on the campaign trail since Thursday, the left-wing base was happy with what he had to say. They heard what came after the "but"s and shrugged off what came before. It remains to be seen whether swing voters cooperated and did the opposite.



http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110005721
 
Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Might find a few of the answers you seek here:

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/

How will all those poor, disinfranchised voters that the Kerry ticket is so concerned about find out about his plan without ready access to the web? Doesn't seem like a good marketing plan to me.
 
Well it appears that the "plan" won't include troops from "our allies" either. Kerry has admitted that it isn't likely:
Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry conceded yesterday that he probably will not be able to convince France and Germany to contribute troops to Iraq if he is elected president.
The Massachusetts senator has made broadening the coalition trying to stabilize Iraq a centerpiece of his campaign, but at a town hall meeting yesterday, he said he knows other countries won't trade their soldiers' lives for those of U.S. troops.
"Does that mean allies are going to trade their young for our young in body bags? I know they are not. I know that," he said.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041006-011859-5099r.htm
I'd like to cite a more "mainstream" source like CNN or the AP, but I can't find it... that's odd.
 
Every candidate has a plan. I even have a plan. A plan always sounds good in the beginning,then when something changes so does the plan. Everything Kerry says is just talk at the moment. It's called the," I want to get elected plan." So if he says things that sound really good ,chances are they won't happen. I've said this before, Kerry is no miracle worker. He seems to think he is going to come in and everything is going to be better. Keep dreaming. For some reason I only see more problems with this guy!!!!
 
Winning The Peace In Iraq
More than a year ago, President Bush stood on an aircraft carrier under a banner that proclaimed "mission accomplished." But today we know that the mission is not accomplished, hostilities have not ended and our men and women in uniform stand almost alone with the target squarely on their backs.

Our military performed brilliantly in the war's first mission: ending the regime of Saddam Hussein. Today, Americans share a desire for Iraqis to live with the blessings of democracy and security. John Kerry and John Edwards have a practical plan to win the peace in Iraq and bring our troops home.

We must change course in Iraq. Having gone to war, we cannot afford to fail at peace. The United States must take immediate measures to prevent Iraq from becoming a failed state that inevitably would become a haven for terrorists and a destabilizing force in the Middle East.

John Kerry and John Edwards will make the creation of a stable and secure environment in Iraq our immediate priority in order to lay the foundations for sustainable democracy. That is the right way to get the job done and bring our troops home. John Kerry and John Edwards believe the following principles should guide American policy in Iraq right now and that if these steps are not taken, options in the future will become more limited. This needs to be an urgent agenda to:

Internationalize, because others must share the burden;
Train Iraqis, because they must be responsible for their own security;
Move forward with reconstruction because that's an important way to stop the spread of terror; and
Help Iraqis achieve a viable government, because it is up to them to run their own country.
INTERNATIONALIZING TO SHARE THE BURDEN
After insulting allies and shredding alliances, this President does not have the trust and confidence to bring others to our side in Iraq. But we must rebuild and lead strong alliances so that others will share the burden with us in Iraq and elsewhere.
John Kerry and John Edwards believe the President needs to:

Persuade NATO to make the security of Iraq one of its global missions and to deploy a portion of the force needed to secure and win the peace in Iraq.
Convene a summit of the world's major powers as well as states in the region, and key Arab and Muslim nations, followed by a standing Contact Group to consult on the way forward, and press them to make good on the steps called for in UN Security Council Resolution 1546: providing troops; providing trainers for Iraq's security forces; providing a special brigade to protect the U.N. mission; and providing more financial assistance and real debt relief. Offer potential troop contributors specific and relatively low-risk but critical roles, such as training Iraqi security personnel and securing Iraq's borders.
Give other countries a stake in Iraq's future by encouraging them to help develop Iraq's oil resources and by letting them bid on contracts instead of locking them out of the reconstruction process.
TRAINING IRAQI SECURITY FORCES
Last February, Secretary Rumsfeld claimed that more than 210,000 Iraqis were in uniform. Two weeks ago, he admitted that claim was off by more than 50 percent. Iraq, he said, now has 95,000 trained security forces. Neither number bears any relationship to the facts. By the administration's own minimal standards, just 5,000 soldiers have been fully trained. And of the 32,000 police now in uniform, not one has completed a 24-week field-training program.
John Kerry and John Edwards believe the President needs to:

Provide incentives to improve and accelerate military and police recruitment.
Expand urgently the security forces training program inside and outside Iraq by establishing a single, common template for police training and another for military training, and enlisting our NATO allies to open training centers in their countries. Recruit thousands of qualified trainers from our allies, especially those who have no troops in Iraq.
Strengthen the vetting of Iraqi recruits, double classroom training time, and require follow-on field training.
DESIGNING AND IMPLEMENTING A RECONSTRUCTION PROGRAM THAT BRINGS MORE BENEFITS TO THE IRAQI PEOPLE
The Bush administration admitted that its plan was a failure when it asked Congress for permission to radically revise spending priorities in Iraq. It took 17 months for them to understand that security is a priority; 17 months to figure out that boosting oil production is critical; 17 months to conclude that an Iraqi with a job is less likely to shoot at our soldiers. One year ago, the administration asked for and received $18 billion to help the Iraqis and relieve the conditions that contribute to the insurgency. Today, just 5 percent of those funds have actually been spent.
John Kerry and John Edwards believe the President needs to:

Internationalize the non-Iraqi reconstruction personnel in Iraq to share the costs and burdens, end the continuing perception of a U.S. occupation, and help coordinate reconstruction efforts, draft the constitution and organize elections.
Order U.S. officials to cut through the red tape, reassess the whole reconstruction package and act on high-visibility, quick impact projects on the local level.
Work with our allies to forgive Iraq's multi-billion dollar debts.
Use more Iraqi contractors and workers, instead of big corporations like Halliburton.
Stop paying companies under investigation for fraud or corruption.
Fire the civilians in the Pentagon responsible for mismanaging the reconstruction effort.
TAKING ESSENTIAL STEPS TO HOLD PROMISED ELECTIONS NEXT YEAR AND PUT IRAQ ON PATH TO DEMOCRACY
Credible elections are key to producing an Iraqi government that has the support of the Iraqi people and an assembly to write a Constitution that yields a viable power sharing arrangement. Because Iraqis have no experience holding free and fair elections, the President agreed six months ago that the U.N. must play a central role. Yet today, just four months before Iraqis are supposed to go to the polls, the U.N. Secretary General and administration officials themselves say the elections are in grave doubt because the security situation is so bad. Not a single country has offered troops to protect the U.N. elections mission, and the U.N. has less than 25 percent of the staff it needs in Iraq to get the job done.
John Kerry and John Edwards believe the President needs to:

Recruit troops from our friends and allies for a U.N. protection force, and train Iraqis to manage and guard the polling places that need to be opened so that U.S forces do not have to bear that burden alone.
Disburse immediately critical funds for election preparations.
Convene a regional conference with Iraq's neighbors in order to secure a pledge of respect for Iraq's borders and non-interference in Iraq's internal affairs.
Help Iraqis establish a constitutional process for negotiating long-term power sharing arrangements between Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites.
Invest in long-term capacity-building and training for political parties and civil society groups.
Prioritize training for the legal and judicial sectors.

Related Links
John Kerry's Speech at NYU: A Plan to Win the Peace and Avoid Failure in Iraq
John Kerry's Op-Ed: A Realistic Path in Iraq
New York Times Editorial: Another Vision of Iraq
Iraq Press Releases
Statement by John Kerry on the Transfer of Sovereignty in Iraq
Statement of John Kerry on Building International Support for Our Mission in Iraq
Kerry Statement on Iraq
Kerry Calls for New Strategy in Iraq During Democratic Radio Address

edited to add....from the JohnKerry.com website :wave2:
 
Originally posted by soccercruiser87
ive heard kerry and john edwards say they have a plan but ive never heard either of them tell people what it is, how do u know if its going to be a good plan?..not saying its a bad plan either but no one knows what its going to be and i know i wouldnt want to vote for someone that wont tell their plan. I didnt really think of it until my AP US History teacher told the class that, he hasnt told anyone what "the plan" is.

DH and I have been saying this to each other for the last 3 months. Everytime we see a commercial for Kerry on TV, he talks about his "plan" for something. The healthcare "plan" is the commercial we see most often in our area, but never gets into any specifics of what his "plan" is or how he'll pay for it.
 
Originally posted by decker96
DH and I have been saying this to each other for the last 3 months. Everytime we see a commercial for Kerry on TV, he talks about his "plan" for something. The healthcare "plan" is the commercial we see most often in our area, but never gets into any specifics of what his "plan" is or how he'll pay for it.

I just posted a link that tells you the plan.

John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to address soaring premiums and cut Americans a break. Their plan will lower family premiums by up to $1,000 a year, cut waste from the system, lower the cost of prescription drugs to provide real relief to seniors, and use targeted tax cuts to extend affordable, high-quality coverage to 95 percent of Americans, including every child.

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/health_care/
 
Originally posted by decker96
DH and I have been saying this to each other for the last 3 months. Everytime we see a commercial for Kerry on TV, he talks about his "plan" for something. The healthcare "plan" is the commercial we see most often in our area, but never gets into any specifics of what his "plan" is or how he'll pay for it.


hmmmmm........where did President Bush get the money to pay for his plans? just curious

PS chadfromdallas...they really don't want an answer

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Originally posted by denisenh
PS chadfromdallas...they really don't want an answer

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:sad1:
 
Their plan will lower family premiums by up to $1,000 a year, cut waste from the system, lower the cost of prescription drugs to provide real relief to seniors, and use targeted tax cuts to extend affordable, high-quality coverage to 95 percent of Americans, including every child.

Maybe we're arguing semantics. What this is, is a statement of purpose, not a plan for achieving that purpose. So when folks say they don't have a "plan", perhaps that is what they are talking about. When I use the word plan, I mean roughly, a list of steps, actions, time frames, budgets, etc. to meet a goal. Not just a statement of the goal.
 
Originally posted by Galahad
Maybe we're arguing semantics. What this is, is a statement of purpose, not a plan for achieving that purpose. So when folks say they don't have a "plan", perhaps that is what they are talking about. When I use the word plan, I mean roughly, a list of steps, actions, time frames, budgets, etc. to meet a goal. Not just a statement of the goal.

Yep, that's exactly what I mean. The healthcare plan sounds great, but how is he planning on paying for it?

chadfromdallas -- I read the link you posted about the healthcare plan. While it does describe in detail what their plan is, there is still no information on how this plan will be implemented and paid for. By the way, I feel the same way when Bush talks about his plans, but this thread was about Kerry so that's why I used the example I did.
 
All of John Kerry's plans are on his web site which has already been posted here as a link.

His plans are very detailed and he specifies how he will begin paying for them (by rolling back tax cuts for the wealthy, and cutting spending in other areas.) Kerry has detailed plans for handeling the war in Iraq, healthcare, the economy, job growth, education and more.

As far as I can tell the republicans have absolutely nothing to offer but failure and more of the same. They were handed a surplus when they took office four years ago and they have turned it into a major deficit. Bush doesn't have a plan for getting us out of debt, as a matter of fact, his administation is digging us in deeper and deeper (so much for being "conservative").


And you are right, denisenh, they don't want an answer because any intelligent person would have already found this info for themselves.

The question is simple folks:

Do you think the war in Iraq is going well?
Do you think that the US is respected in the world?
Are you happy that we have all but abandoned Afganistan and given up on Osama?
Are you ok with the genocide occuring in the Sudan?
Are you ok with Iran and North Korea having nuclear capabilities?
Do you think that our economy is strong? Can you pay your bills? Are you able to save for the future?
Are you happy with your insurance costs? Your access to healthcare? Your perscription drug prices?
Are you employed in a well paying job? Do you have job security?
Are you happy every time you call your phone company, or internet provider, or retailer and someone in India answers the phone and they can never seem to solve your problem?
Do you have access to adequate education at a fair price? Can you afford to send your children to college?
Is your environment being protected?
Are your freedoms being protected? Do you trust your government to protect your basic rights as provided under the Constitution?

Then vote for Bush.

If you think that ...

The war in Iraq could be handled better...
That we could capture Osama if we put more effort into it...
That we could bring greater order and peace to Afganistan...
That we could improve our relations with other respectable nations in this world...
That we can improve our economy....
That we can bring our jobs back home (instead of sending them over seas)...
That we could improve our homeland security ....
If you would like for your salery to increase...
If you would like to be able to afford health insurance and perscription drugs...
If you would like to be able to save money for the future....
If you would like for our boarders to be more secure...
If you would like for our children to be able to afford a college education...
If you want your basic freedoms protected as provided by the Constitution.
If you don't want to be lied to anymore....

Then vote Kerry /Edwards .
 
Originally posted by Puffy2
All of John Kerry's plans are on his web site which has already been posted here as a link.

His plans are very detailed and he specifies how he will begin paying for them (by rolling back tax cuts for the wealthy, and cutting spending in other areas.) Kerry has detailed plans for handeling the war in Iraq, healthcare, the economy, job growth, education and more.

As far as I can tell the republicans have absolutely nothing to offer but failure and more of the same. They were handed a surplus when they took office four years ago and they have turned it into a major deficit. Bush doesn't have a plan for getting us out of debt, as a matter of fact, his administation is digging us in deeper and deeper (so much for being "conservative").


And you are right, denisenh, they don't want an answer because any intelligent person would have already found this info for themselves.

The question is simple folks:

Do you think the war in Iraq is going well?
Do you think that the US is respected in the world?
Are you happy that we have all but abandoned Afganistan and given up on Osama?
Are you ok with the genocide occuring in the Sudan?
Are you ok with Iran and North Korea having nuclear capabilities?
Do you think that our economy is strong? Can you pay your bills? Are you able to save for the future?
Are you happy with your insurance costs? Your access to healthcare? Your perscription drug prices?
Are you employed in a well paying job? Do you have job security?
Are you happy every time you call your phone company, or internet provider, or retailer and someone in India answers the phone and they can never seem to solve your problem?
Do you have access to adequate education at a fair price? Can you afford to send your children to college?
Is your environment being protected?
Are your freedoms being protected? Do you trust your government to protect your basic rights as provided under the Constitution?

Then vote for Bush.

If you think that ...

The war in Iraq could be handled better...
That we could capture Osama if we put more effort into it...
That we could bring greater order and peace to Afganistan...
That we could improve our relations with other respectable nations in this world...
That we can improve our economy....
That we can bring our jobs back home (instead of sending them over seas)...
That we could improve our homeland security ....
If you would like for your salery to increase...
If you would like to be able to afford health insurance and perscription drugs...
If you would like to be able to save money for the future....
If you would like for our boarders to be more secure...
If you would like for our children to be able to afford a college education...
If you want your basic freedoms protected as provided by the Constitution.
If you don't want to be lied to anymore....

Then vote Kerry /Edwards So all the above is going to be fixed by Kerry/Edwards?????? Guarantee me this in writing and I will sign on. What is this team going to do that hasen't been done. It's alot easier to speak and say you can do it better when your not in the Presidents position. If he was to get elected I can guarantee it will be the same old bull and nothing will change. Healthcare will be the same,education the same ect.... Clinton was in office 8 years what did he do? Healthcare is still one of the biggest problems. I just don't see any real changes. Just alot of pre-election talk. All that they want is your vote. I'm sure they would promise you the moon if they could. Of course for a vote.
 


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