So Iran doesn't have a nuclear program either...

[LuvDuke]

A united front with true economic sanctions may convince the Iranian people and the Mullahs that this madman should not be in power.

The madman isn't in power. The power is with the mullahs. Always has been and always will be as long as Iran is an Islamic state.

 

[Mr Man]

Because you meant it to be insulting.

Are you sure you are speaking for everyone on the right?

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Not everyone on the right.......but a good bit........

Sometimes the truth hurts. I have told you numerous times, no personal insult was intended. There is very little else I can do to convince you of this.

My PP is a succinct and accurate statement of intent on the part of the Democrat Party leadership (and their fellow travelers) throughout the tenure of the Bush Administration. Partisan politics trumps all. The Bush Administration must fail, regardless of the detrimental effect to our country and it's standing in the world.

This partisanship is understandable up to a point, but should have ended once we went to war. That it did not is reprehensible in the extreme.
To deny this or to suddenly take offense at any reference to this rank behavior suggests to me that this criticism rings true to more than just me.

In any event, I am just one person and this is only my honest opinion. Yours may differ. I can assure you that I respect your perspective and enjoy the "point-counterpoint".

I do stand by my statements and submit that they are based on principle and honestly arrived at.

Regards,

JMO

 

[ford family]

and who has advocated that, exactly?

Nobody here has said to stop watching them, and nobody has said that economic sanctions or other diplomatic avenues should be abandoned. Nobody here has said that they want Iran left completely alone to do whatever they want.

The only thing that I've read is people being concerned about Bush and Co launching bombs on Iran because they think there are nukes being built there or otherwise cooking up their own "intelligence" again to start another war.

Has anybody on the other side of this discussion actually suggested military intervention? I don't think so. But, in the real world, would there be any diplomatic value in letting the Iranians believe that the US was no longer considering military action? Would that bring them scurrying to the negotiating table eager to make some equivalent concession?

What concerns me is that in order to distance themselves from the actions of GWB & Co the left continues to award Iran much more credibility than it deserves (Chamberlain anybody?) whilst continuously vilifying its own leaders, a disloyalty that Muslims would consider contemptible.

Peace at any price is not a viable option. Pointing a gun at someone and saying "let's talk" is much more effective when the gun is known to be loaded.

ford family

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

Yes, we are winning in Iraq.

-SH is dead. The Baath Party is dead.
-The Sunni Insurgency is over for the most part. Deaths are way down.
-Refugees are streaming back in ever larger numbers.
-For every US Brigade that re-deploys from Iraq to home, an Iraqi Brigade takes their place.
-Local Govt. is becoming more effective.
there is a freely & democratically elected Natl Govt in place (uh, they still have a ways to go....but hey, they work more than OUR Congress does).
-Utilities are slowly improving.
-Oil production is increasing & the US will be buying from them.

So yes, I think we are winning.

Regards,

Even John Murtha thinks we're winning now. Jump on in, the water's fine.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend there have not been mistakes made. I actually probably would say I'd "disapprove" of GWB if I was ever polled, but for very different reasons than those on the far left...I also agree that this is a limited window where we need to make some political gains and FAST.

Not that anyone is listening, but we need to make that country into 3 state's with a "loose" "federal" type government...leaving right now is the worst idea EVER. A few pages back people were throwing around numbers of Iraqi casualties, can you imagine what would happen if we up and left? (which by the way no one seemed to mention all the casualties under Sadam...I guess all those mass graves we found were "family burial plots" )

 

[salmoneous]

I have told you numerous times, no personal insult was intended.

Quick tip - when you collectively insult Democrats (or Liberals, etc.) you are personally insulting a significant portion of your fellow Americans. If that's not what you intend, lay off the collective insults.

My PP is a succinct and accurate statement of intent on the part of the Democrat Party leadership (and their fellow travelers) throughout the tenure of the Bush Administration. Partisan politics trumps all. The Bush Administration must fail, regardless of the detrimental effect to our country and it's standing in the world.

Again, Horsehockey.

To deny this or to suddenly take offense at any reference to this rank behavior suggests to me that this criticism rings true to more than just me.

So if you say something that is simply not true, and I point that that it isn't true, that's suggests to you that your statement was true? Convenient the way you've set that up.

Yours may differ.

We are going to differ on lost of things. Which is what's great about these boards. But there's a world of difference between disagreeing with somebody about what we should do in Iraq, and your saying that Democrats want the government to fail to the detriment of the country and the world. When you things like that, people are going to point out (1) you are wrong and (2) such claims are insulting, even if you tack a sweet little "regards" on the end.

 

[salmoneous]

but we need to make that country into 3 state's with a "loose" "federal" type government...

The Iraqi's themselves hate that idea. Having us "make" that country into something it doesn't want to be can't be the best answer.

 

[salmoneous]

Even John Murtha thinks we're winning now.

Winning what? Can somebody who thinks we are "winning" please define what it means to "win" in Iraq? What is the achievable goal that is worth the lives of our troops? Are we really getting closer to that goal?

 

[profdsny]

Winning what? Can somebody who thinks we are "winning" please define what it means to "win" in Iraq? What is the achievable goal that is worth the lives of our troops? Are we really getting closer to that goal?

Nope, they can't. And Murtha has not said we are 'winning" either.

 

[dcentity2000]

Winning what? Can somebody who thinks we are "winning" please define what it means to "win" in Iraq? What is the achievable goal that is worth the lives of our troops? Are we really getting closer to that goal?

Morally I'd hold that you can't "win" a war. All you can do is lose less than the other guys. Nothing that involves the deaths of so many can be viewed positively.



Rich::

 

[reeeoga]

Morally I'd hold that you can't "win" a war. All you can do is lose less than the other guys. Nothing that involves the deaths of so many can be viewed positively.



Rich::

Hey Rich: How is the report being received in the UK? Does the Government there think it is correct? What have the UK's intel people said about an Iran Nuke Program?

 

[LuvDuke]

Even John Murtha thinks we're winning now. Jump on in, the water's fine.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend there have not been mistakes made. I actually probably would say I'd "disapprove" of GWB if I was ever polled, but for very different reasons than those on the far left...I also agree that this is a limited window where we need to make some political gains and FAST.

Not that anyone is listening, but we need to make that country into 3 state's with a "loose" "federal" type government...leaving right now is the worst idea EVER. A few pages back people were throwing around numbers of Iraqi casualties, can you imagine what would happen if we up and left? (which by the way no one seemed to mention all the casualties under Sadam...I guess all those mass graves we found were "family burial plots" )

Is it impossible for you people to tell the truth when it comes to Iraq?

Here's what Murtha said:

"I think the surge is working, I think -- but that's only one element. ... [T]he thing that has to happen, the Iraqis have to do this themselves."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200712040002

And here's the press conference Murtha had after he came back from Iraq:

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/homepage/local_story_333220403.html?keyword=leadpicturestory

No, Murtha never said "we're winning" as you stated in your opening statement to your post.

 

[DISUNC]

FYI December 5, 2007

Mike Huckabee appeared on CNN to explain why he was caught by reporters Tuesday when asked about the newly released National Intelligence Estimate report on nuclear weapons in Iran. Huckabee had told reporters he was unaware of the new report. Huckabee explained to Wolf Blitzer that he had been too busy on the campaign trail to be briefed about the intelligence estimate.

Another Genius!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/mike-huckabee-nie-report

 

[Charade]

FYI December 5, 2007

Mike Huckabee appeared on CNN to explain why he was caught by reporters Tuesday when asked about the newly released National Intelligence Estimate report on nuclear weapons in Iran. Huckabee had told reporters he was unaware of the new report. Huckabee explained to Wolf Blitzer that he had been too busy on the campaign trail to be briefed about the intelligence estimate.

Another Genius!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/mike-huckabee-nie-report

No less a genius than those that (were supposed to but) didn't read the NIE that sent us into Iraq.

 

[LuvDuke]

No less a genius than those that (were supposed to but) didn't read the NIE that sent us into Iraq.

The new Republican campaign mantra: Our guy is just as big a moron as the other guys.

 

[ford family]

The new Republican campaign mantra: Our guy is just as big a moron as the other guys.

Almost.

Our guy is almost as big a moron as the other guys.

ford family

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

FYI December 5, 2007

Mike Huckabee appeared on CNN to explain why he was caught by reporters Tuesday when asked about the newly released National Intelligence Estimate report on nuclear weapons in Iran. Huckabee had told reporters he was unaware of the new report. Huckabee explained to Wolf Blitzer that he had been too busy on the campaign trail to be briefed about the intelligence estimate.

Another Genius!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/mike-huckabee-nie-report

That really is staggering, especially seeing that he has people who are supposed to clue him in on these important tidbits. I think it speaks volumes not only about Huckabee's knowledge, but about his organizational expertise as well. That coupled with the fact that he hasn't raised many campaign dollars, I'm thinking the Romney/Giuliani campaigns are going to tear him apart now that he's emerged as a potential threat/media darling.

 

[bsnyder]

That really is staggering, especially seeing that he has people who are supposed to clue him in on these important tidbits. I think it speaks volumes not only about Huckabee's knowledge, but about his organizational expertise as well. That coupled with the fact that he hasn't raised many campaign dollars, I'm thinking the Romney/Giuliani campaigns are going to tear him apart now that he's emerged as a potential threat/media darling.

Huckabee doesn't have a prayer of winning the nomination, much less winning a national election.

He's a product of media hype and a calculated stragety to use his Fair Tax plan to boost his results in Iowa. We're going to see him fade faster than Howard Dean. Which is a good thing, IMO.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I heard that the Republicans in general were keeping pretty quiet about that report....

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Huckabee doesn't have a prayer of winning the nomination, much less winning a national election.

He's a product of media hype and a calculated stragety to use his Fair Tax plan to boost his results in Iowa. We're going to see him fade faster than Howard Dean. Which is a good thing, IMO.

Should be interesting, especially if and when the almighty Christian Conservatives get behind him. Tell you one thing, I'm counting the days until the next Republican debate. With Angry Rudy finally showing his true colors, Huckabee's new media darling status and the new Intel on Iran, I'm thinking it'll be a real bare-knuckled grudge match.

 

[LuvDuke]

Almost.

Our guy is almost as big a moron as the other guys.

ford family

Get your own lines.