So Iran doesn't have a nuclear program either...

Horsehockey. Of the millions of Democrats, how many have said "we lost". How many want us to lose. What "deeds" are you talking about? And, more to the point, how can you tell Americans they are invested in the defeat of American and not understand that is an insult?

You are right. I can see where this would be insulting to you personally. If I offended you I do apologize, as it was not my intent to paint that broadly.

I should have said Democrats in Congress, Democrats in the various Govt. Agencies, Democrats in academia & Democrats in the media are invested in defeat. I do not think every single Democrat is. Just the ones who are leading the party down the tubes.

Their words and deeds are reported ad nauseum every day on all communication mediums.

Regards,
 
So what exactly should our next move be? A full frontal unprovoked assault on Iran? A few days after our own Intel says that they are of no harm to us? More diplomacy? What?



I agree and for those of you who favor bombing the bejesus out of Iran, lets lay all the cards out on the table. Are you fully prepared with the extreme consequences that will come about from as Laugh O. Grams put it, A full frontal unprovoked assault on Iran.

Are you prepared for the oil spigot to be turned off, even temporarily?

Are you prepared for the huge shock that would do to our economy and fellow Americans?

Can you imagine what OPEC would do in response to America taking military action against Iran? It's not foolish to imagine the shortages and gas lines of the early 70's, but even worse.

Are you prepared for the outright anger and violence that will come from the Muslim world? Not that it's a picnic now, but would you be prepared to see the gains we made in Iraq disappear rapidly?

Are those who are in favor of military action, will you be joining the ranks of the military to help with amount of man power needed to perform such an action? If we are going to perform "Iraq, part 2" (the sequel) on Iran, we need to be having a draft and I know how well that topic goes over on these boards.:rolleyes:

You tell Americans that they might be paying 10 bucks a gallon for gas, our economy really in the crapper, and nation wide military draft instituted, that will go over like fart in church.


Any clear cut, sane ideas and suggestions would be appreciated. Seriously, we need to examine all the possibilities and stop with catchy slogans and talking points. As the Who once sang, We won't get fooled again.
 

Do we have stated policiess, goals and broad strategy in Iraq? I've heard some generic statements - but nothing concrete and measurable? Certainly nothing that justifies keeping our troops involved in the sectarian fighting there.

Sure we do. It's "stay the course."
 
“The point is this isn’t a war to win.”
From a Fox News interview a year ago....
Sigh, which is very different from saying "we lost" as you've clalimed. We've accomplished all we can, time to come home.
 
You are right. I can see where this would be insulting to you personally. If I offended you I do apologize, as it was not my intent to paint that broadly.
Are you sure? Because by your next quote, it seems that exactly what you meant - to insult Democrats broadly.
 
You are right. I can see where this would be insulting to you personally. If I offended you I do apologize, as it was not my intent to paint that broadly.

I should have said Democrats in Congress, Democrats in the various Govt. Agencies, Democrats in academia & Democrats in the media are invested in defeat. I do not think every single Democrat is. Just the ones who are leading the party down the tubes.

Their words and deeds are reported ad nauseum every day on all communication mediums.

Regards,

Wow, it's been a bit since I've seen such an over the top response. Are you getting too much caffeine?
 
Sigh, which is very different from saying "we lost" as you've clalimed. We've accomplished all we can, time to come home.

well for one you're getting bogged down in the details....but for two at least in my own very humble opinion...if its not a war to win, then it IS a war to lose.

but I guess that depends on what the meaning of is, is ;)
 
You are right. I can see where this would be insulting to you personally. If I offended you I do apologize, as it was not my intent to paint that broadly.

I should have said Democrats in Congress, Democrats in the various Govt. Agencies, Democrats in academia & Democrats in the media are invested in defeat. I do not think every single Democrat is. Just the ones who are leading the party down the tubes.

Their words and deeds are reported ad nauseum every day on all communication mediums.

Regards,

What's sad is that I actually think you believe that's true.

However, I'm heartened by the fact that 1) the American public overwhelmingly threw out Republican members of Congress in last years midterm elections and 2) the neocon movement, like this President, is going the way of the dinosaur. George W. Bush has killed the Reagan Revolution that started in the '80 and the Democratic Party is making gains all over the country. Hell, we even have a couple ex-Bush voters who are seriously considering voting on the "dark side" for the first time in a long time right here on this very thread. The Democratic party? Going down the tubes? Hardly. But now I know why you guys hold onto the Iraq dream so tightly...it's all you've got anymore...
 
Israel actually bombed Syria, not Iran in the last few months, but I believe it sends a "message".

I'm pretty sure it was Iran because they flew over Syria supposedly undetected.
 
Are you sure? Because by your next quote, it seems that exactly what you meant - to insult Democrats broadly.

Why should this be seen as insulting? I am simply saying out loud what everyone on the right knows.....and everyone on the left doesn't want to admit.

Regards,
 
well for one you're getting bogged down in the details....but for two at least in my own very humble opinion...if its not a war to win, then it IS a war to lose.

but I guess that depends on what the meaning of is, is ;)

Okay, here's a question for you, and Mr. Man. Are we winning in Iraq?
Explain.
 
Okay, here's a question for you, and Mr. Man. Are we winning in Iraq?
Explain.

Oh good lord...let's all take a walk down GWB Talking Points Boulevard, shall we? I hear the garbage workers are on strike and the stench is unbearable. ;)
 
Okay, here's a question for you, and Mr. Man. Are we winning in Iraq?
Explain.

Yes, we are winning in Iraq.

-SH is dead. The Baath Party is dead.
-The Sunni Insurgency is over for the most part. Deaths are way down.
-Refugees are streaming back in ever larger numbers.
-For every US Brigade that re-deploys from Iraq to home, an Iraqi Brigade takes their place.
-Local Govt. is becoming more effective.
there is a freely & democratically elected Natl Govt in place (uh, they still have a ways to go....but hey, they work more than OUR Congress does).
-Utilities are slowly improving.
-Oil production is increasing & the US will be buying from them.

So yes, I think we are winning.

Regards,
 
Yes, we are winning in Iraq.

-SH is dead. The Baath Party is dead.
-The Sunni Insurgency is over for the most part. Deaths are way down.
-Refugees are streaming back in ever larger numbers.
-For every US Brigade that re-deploys from Iraq to home, an Iraqi Brigade takes their place.
-Local Govt. is becoming more effective.
there is a freely & democratically elected Natl Govt in place (uh, they still have a ways to go....but hey, they work more than OUR Congress does).
-Utilities are slowly improving.
-Oil production is increasing & the US will be buying from them.

So yes, I think we are winning.

Regards,


:thumbsup2
And the number of AQ terrorists is way down. Even they know we are winning.
 

New Posts


Disney Vacation Planning. Free. Done for You.
Our Authorized Disney Vacation Planners are here to provide personalized, expert advice, answer every question, and uncover the best discounts. Let Dreams Unlimited Travel take care of all the details, so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy a stress-free vacation.
Start Your Disney Vacation
Disney EarMarked Producer






DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest DIS Tiktok DIS Twitter

Add as a preferred source on Google

Back
Top Bottom