Smoke Free Cruise

[colleen costello]

We'd also LOVE a smoke free cruise. I am trying very hard to demonstrate for my kids that smoking is NOT something our family tolerates in ANY way. I would hate to spend all that money on the cruise and then miss a lot of things because of smoke. DH and I figure that if a company doesn't want to offer a smoke-free environment, fine, but we won't give them our business.

 

[hometech99]

yes- smoke free!

first of all, why on earth (or sky) did we (as a people) EVER allow individuals to light fires on ships or planes????? ok smokers- i can't quote how many ships sank or planes crashed due to fire from someone lighting up.. But the thought is scary.


also- if i smell smoke on my $$$$ verandah, i am in my right to fill my own verandah with fumes that would curl a cigarette (post-dinner) and if some head back toward the other verandah, oh well.

is it someones RIGHT to smoke? SURE! - i just dont get that smokers spend all that $ on cigarretes- then when on medicare, everyone else gets stuck paying for the oxygen tank they carry around. And thats less money for me to cruise with!!!!

 

[Tiiiigergirl]

BUT, if they could go for a week without smoking.... maybe they could quit easier (more easily??) ...

I don't see this as a practical solution. I have not nor will I ever be a smoker but I've had friends and family who have smoked. I watched some successfully and some unsuccessfully try to quit. They were miserable while attempting to do so. I don't see time that is specifically set aside as enjoyable family rest time as the time to try to quit. Not to mention that it is darn expensive.

I voted that they tighten up a little. I don't see making the whole ship non-smoking as practical. I have allergies to smoke and perfume. Actually the perfume ones are a little worse. I do the same thing with both. I move. I agree that the worst place for me has to be Rockin Bar D. They need to do something in there. I would vote that instead of messing with the ESPN or anything if they had to only make one change, get better ventilation in that place. I don't have any great suggestions for the veranda situation. Doesn't impact us as we book inside cabins so we can go more often!

 

[AnnMorin]

And I do not mean it in a confrentational or mean way just really curious about the votes for more smoking.. where should it be added?

 

[Buckaroo's Dad]

Oh and if Walt were alive today....I think he would have quit smoking 30 years ago!

Jeanny - 30 years ago Walt would have already quit smoking for 6-and-a-half years, technically...



Oh yes, my vote would be 100% non-smoking.

 

[ruvidu]

I know you don't believe this but I purchased the DVD collection of the first MM cartoons and there was ole Mick with a beer and cigarette.
My, how our ideas have changed over the years.

Russ, another exsmoker - 14 years smoke free. Thats after 30 years of smoking.

 

[LarryC]

Everyone who purchases a room with a veranda has the right to smoke their heads off everyday, all day. They could put all 4 guests out there and have 4 big fat Cuban cigars flaming away day and night. Smoking is permitted. Period.

They have voted their opinion on the smoking/non-smoking issue with their wallets. The non-smokers who want a totally smoke-free cruise should do the same - boycott the Disney cruise until it becomes totally smoke free. Write letters to DCL explaining your decision to NOT sail specifically because of this issue.

I have been on both sides of the smoking veranda. On our first Magic cruise in July 2001, I paid for a Cat 5 veranda because I was a smoker. I used the veranda every day to smoke. (I quit a 20 year/2 pack-a-day habit in November 2001, and haven't had even a PUFF of a cigarette since.)

On our 2nd (June 2002) and 3rd (July 2003) Magic cruises, we also booked veranda Cat 5's. Although I was not a smoker anymore, DW and I enjoyed having a drink at night or coffee every morning.

We had a smoker next to us (forward) last year, and a smoker below us this year. We never had a problem with them. Outside, with the wind blowing 20 mph, I cannot fathom how anyone could have a problem with someone smoking on their veranda.

Ask any doctor the effects of a cigarette held upwind in a 20 mph wind and he'll laugh at you. This is NOT what is defined as "second-hand" smoke, btw. But I understand some people have conditions (real and imagined) that even the SMELL of a cigarette can trigger.

Those people should not venture outside, since smoking is allowed outdoors across this entire planet.

LarryC (non-smoker)

 

[ncligs]

Originally posted by LarryC
(I quit a 20 year/2 pack-a-day habit in November 2001, and haven't had even a PUFF of a cigarette since.)
LarryC (non-smoker)

"Congradulations" Larry on kicking the habit

!

 

[AnnMorin]

Originally posted by LarryC
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Ask any doctor the effects of a cigarette held upwind in a 20 mph wind and he'll laugh at you. This is NOT what is defined as "second-hand" smoke, btw. But I understand some people have conditions (real and imagined) that even the SMELL of a cigarette can trigger.

Those people should not venture outside, since smoking is allowed outdoors across this entire planet.

LarryC (non-smoker)

Ah but Larry the ship is not always moving 20mph. It is docked for between 8-12 hours a day four of the seven days on the western and three of the seven at the eastern.
When I had an ear infection and was trying to enjoy some sunshine and heal up our our veranda while in Grand cayman our neighbors were also enjoying their veranda. The ship was moored and there was no 20,mph wind to blow their constant smoke away from me. I finally went inside.

 

[Werner Weiss]

Originally posted by AnnMorin
And I do not mean it in a confrentational or mean way just really curious about the votes for more smoking.. where should it be added?

I'm sure those are legitimate votes from smokers who wish that they could smoke in one or more of the following places: the three main dining rooms, Palo, Topsiders, their own stateroom, the Walt Disney Theatre, the Promenade Lounge, Studio Sea, Rockin' Bar D (at all times), hallways, elevators, and other non-smoking areas.

Let's face it, smoking is heavily restricted on the Disney Magic (and I assume that the rules on the Disney Wonder are similar).

I'm old enough to remember when smoking was allowed on airplanes and in airports, and when many restaurants didn't even have non-smoking sections. Up until fairly recently, the assumption was that a smoker could smoke anywhere unless a spot was designated as non-smoking. Now, more and more, the assumption is that smoking is only allowed in designated smoking areas.

And, with a few exceptions, smokers are considerate and follow the rules. They may not like some of the rules, but most smokers understand that their smoke bothers other people, and can sometimes cause serious health reactions.

If anyone reading this thread thinks that a Disney Cruise is a constant battle to get a breath of fresh air or that the ship is one big smoker's convention, please reread this thread. Smoking is heavily restricted on the Disney Magic, but it would be nice if there were a few minor adjustments to the outdoor smoking rules (including verandah rules) and changes to the Rockin' Bar D rules or ventilation system.

We had a great time on our first Disney Cruise. On the last day of the cruise, I was ready to plan another cruise. I assumed our next cruise would be on another line, so I didn't bother to rebook while on the ship. But when I started to look into other lines, I discovered that DCL provided a better "clean air" environment for non-smokers, like our family. Only Disney has 100% non-smoking staterooms. Our next cruise will again be on the Magic after all.

By the way, I looked into the 100% non-smoking Carnival Paradise. I like the new Western Caribbean itinerary of the Paradise. But that ship has no connecting cabins at all, so it's not a choice for families that want two cabins with a connecting door.

 

[CRSNDSNY]

Originally posted by justmestace
Crsndsnyo you know what it would take to come remotely close to getting lung cancer from second-hand smoke?

June 2002 - American Lung Association

Secondhand smoke comes from two places: smoke breathed out by the person who smokes, and smoke from the end of a burning cigarette. Secondhand smoke causes or exacerbates a wide range of adverse health effects, including cancer, respiratory infections, and asthma.


Secondhand smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals; 200 are poisons; 43 cause cancer. Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).

Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer and other health problems. The EPA estimates that secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths and 35,000 heart disease deaths in nonsmokers each year.

Secondhand smoke is especially harmful to young children. EPA estimates that secondhand smoke is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months of age annually, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each year.

Secondhand smoke is harmful to children with asthma. The EPA estimates that for between 200,000 and one million asthmatic children, exposure to secondhand smoke worsens their condition.

Secondhand smoke can make healthy children less than 18 months of age sick; it can cause pneumonia, ear infections, bronchitis, coughing, wheezing and increased mucus production. According to the EPA, secondhand smoke can lead to the buildup of fluid in the middle ear, the most common cause of hospitalization of children for an operation.

Individuals can take several steps to reduce their exposure to secondhand smoke, including:
If you smoke, quit!
Keep smoke away from you and your family by asking people not to smoke in your home.
Make sure your child's day care site and school are smoke-free.
Use no-smoking signs, buttons and stickers at home, at work, and in your car.
Eat in smoke-free environments.
Seek a smoke-free worksite.

Support clean air laws that protect you from secondhand smoke.
For more information call the American Lung Association at 1-800-LUNG-USA (1-800-586-4872).

*Racial and ethnic minority terminology reflects those terms used by the Centers For Disease Control.

View American Lung Association Nationwide Research Awardees for 2001-2002

 

[ncligs]

CRSNDSNY

Excellent comeback.......

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[moinab]

Just got home from the July 17, 3-day on the Wonder. I despise cigarette smoke, and I really didn't notice too much smoking. (I didn't go to any of the nightclubs, though.) I agree with Horace Horsecoller's ideas on better regulation/separation. My one complaint (which I haven't seen any mention of on this thread) is on the family beach at Castaway Cay. We sat on the far end of the family beach with our toddler son and infant daughter. We ended up with smokers plunking themselves down right next to us, on both sides, and lighting up as my baby napped in between them. I feel there should be designated smoking/non-smoking areas of the beach, as well. While I'm at it, I'd like to mention that one of these smokers happened to be significantly enhanced, cosmetically, and was wearing a bikini top that might as well have been two band-aids, and a thong. Could we also start a movement to ban thongs from the family beach? I have a picture of my daughter napping, with this woman's bare rear-end sticking up in the background.

 

[findingnemofan]

I would've moved our entire entourage....i really don't want my impressionable young sons to have a view of someone's tush....
...i realize there is no way to escape it I only want to protect their little innocent minds as long as humanly possible!!!!

as far as the smoking all around---I would've moved even if there was no thong.....

DCL should DEFINITELY have a non-smoking section on their own beach!!!!!!

DEFINITELY!!!!!!!!!

 

[moinab]

Believe me, I would have liked to move immediately, but DD was sleeping and DH had just left to go look at souvenirs at She Sells..., which was a bit of a hike from where we were on the beach. If I had moved, he would never have been able to find us. When he came back, we decided to just go back to the ship, as we were pretty tired, anyway. Otherwise, DH would have asked the smokers to put out the cigarettes or move. He's very good at that sort of thing. Not sure how he would have handled the thong lady. I'm not a prude, by any means, but this woman was ridiculous. She must be an exotic dancer. We're talking cantaloupes, here. Definitely artificial, and very barely covered. In fact, in the picture I have of DD with her in the background, she had untied her top and was lying down on her stomach, so they were just hanging out the sides.

I totally agree that you can't shelter your kids forever, but you shouldn't even have to think about it on a Disney family beach, especially since they provide an adults only beach. BTW, we live on the beach, and have never encountered anything like this before.

It's incredibly sad that so many people (smokers, non-smokers, cell -phone-users, thong-wearing strippers, whatever) have become so oblivious to common courtesy. In the end, though, I have to say that I encountered much more civility and kindness on my trip than self-centered obliviousness, so I try to focus on the positive.

 

[fireplug]

I must have missed somethingon this thread...........

Somehow we went from bashing smokers to somehow determining that a woman who has "cantelopes and wears a thong" is somehow automatically a stripper( apparently a vile and evil career )who is undermining family values.

My 25 y/o daughter was very blessed . To the tune of 44 DD's, she and her husband may possibly take their daughter on a cruise and HORROR of HORRORS wear a thong. Wouldn't it be great if no one passed judgement on her and allowed her to enjoy her time on the beach. By the way she will be finishing college soon. Top ten in her class and will be school teacher. Not a stripper.

As for those rude smokers who also went to the far end of the beach and were within the smoking policy of the cruise line. Sounds to me like they were trying to avoid bothering as many people as they could by going to a less populated (?) area.

I hope I live long enough to see what will happen to this world once those who do no wrong finally rid the land of smokers, obese people ,those who don't dress the way they want them to, those who have had cosmetic surgery, those who have a career they don't approve of, and about a hundred other thing that give variety to life. Somehow I think it will not be the paradise the do no wrongers envision.

Steve

 

[moinab]

Well, obviously I touched a nerve. I was trying to be funny, not judgemental. For all I know, this woman could have been a pediatrician. I have nothing against strippers (I happen to know quite a few, believe it or not) nor large chested women (which I happen to be, myself.) I admit the stripper comments were in bad taste.

But I also happen to believe it is in very bad taste to wear a thong and extremely skimpy bikini top on a Disney family beach, especially since Disney provides an exclusive adult beach.

And if these people were trying to be courteous and avoid bothering other people, I would have expected them to choose one of the many other empty chairs available, instead of the ones directly next to the chairs we were occupying. I suspect it just didn't occur to them, because as was mentioned, they were within the current policy. This is why, as I mentioned, I think Disney should create smoking and non-smoking areas on the beach.

If it makes me a bad person to want to protect my toddler and infant from overtly sexual images and cigarette smoke on a Disney family beach, so be it. I'm not looking to rid the world of anything. All I'm asking for is common courtesy. Again, I apologize for the offensive humor. mea culpa

 

[AnnMorin]

I do not think a thong is appropriate attire for the family beach whether it be worn by man, woman, child, fat, skinny, etc.... nor do I feel smoking is appropriate at the beach. I think a smoking area would be fine and a thong etc appropriate at the adult beach. As a teacher myself (who is more than blessed with endowments) a word of advice to your well endowed daughter, she needs to set an example and be a role model as a teacher, something to always keep in mind as your students show up places you never would expect. Always be sure that you are proud of your actions while in public!

 

[fireplug]

I did not say that DD would wear a thong. What I was referring to was that because some one wears a thong does not mean they are a stripper. She will do a fine job of setting an example in public.

I think the thing that bothers me the most is the term family. What exactly constitutes a "family beach" The Osbornes are a family aren't they? If some of you saw a family like them coming to the "family "beach how many would welcome them next to their chairs? Not many I would wager. Does that mean they don't belong on the "family" beach? Moinab did not say whether that woman was with her "family" or not so I don't know if she was there familyless. Maybe there was a reason she was there and not the adult beach. Just a thought.

I guess it is difficult when are typing to determine voice inflections but the tone of the first post was not joking to me and it did not make laugh. So if it was meant as a joke I too will apologize for taking it out of context.

Steve

 

[AnnMorin]

Originally posted by fireplug


My 25 y/o daughter was very blessed . To the tune of 44 DD's, she and her husband may possibly take their daughter on a cruise and HORROR of HORRORS wear a thong. Wouldn't it be great if no one passed judgement on her and allowed her to enjoy her time on the beach. By the way she will be finishing college soon. Top ten in her class and will be school teacher. Not a stripper.

Steve

Not to continue with the OT Steve but it was you who said your "well blessed"daughter could wear a thong and wouldn't it be great if no one passed judgement on her. I will ASSURE you that no superintendant or school system would find that acceptable behavior in public for a teacher and it IS part of your contract to act what the "norm" considers proper in public. No parent wants to see little johnny's teacher in a thong. It is a responsibility that goes along with teaching to hold yourself to a certain standard for the benifit of your students. Enough said as this goes far away from the OP's subject.