SlutWalks?

[FireDancer]

Really? Well that's an entirely different interpretation.

Seems like some clarification from the pp might be useful.

I added a little but I was just taking a stab. I was just trying to interpret what he was saying.

In reality it is not all that brave to dress like a slut in a country where it is completely legal to do so. If you want to really make social change go somewhere where that isn't allowed and do it. I think these walks are more silly than poignant.

 

[IdesOmarch]

I added a little but I was just taking a stab. I was just trying to interpret what he was saying.

In reality it is not all that brave to dress like a slut in a country where it is completely legal to do so. If you want to really make social change go somewhere where that isn't allowed and do it. I think these walks are more silly than poignant.

That's a good idea, but a lot of these places will literally shoot women in the head for wearing nail polish, I can't imagine what would happen to them if they wore a pair of heels with a mini skirt. Would be too dangerous.

 

[LuvOrlando]

You really think it's not brave when 1 out of 4 females have been the victims of sexual abuse of some kind, a vast majority before leaving their teens, and were talking the US. Women here are beaten and murdered, assaulted and objectified every day. If you think the marches aren't necessary everywhere you haven't walked a mile in a woman's shoes, high heeled or otherwise. I'm not mad and don't mean to come off as harsh, I do understand your lack of understanding as a middle class white guy who is probably the least likely victim of a crime in the US. Still, it's important to try and recognize there are different realities for different demographics.... that's what the marches are about. One in 4 means you absolutely know women who have been victimized whether they have told you about it or not.

 

[FireDancer]

You really think it's not brave when 1 out of 4 females have been the victims of sexual abuse of some kind, a vast majority before leaving their teens, and were talking the US. Women here are beaten and murdered, assaulted and objectified every day. If you think the marches aren't necessary everywhere you haven't walked a mile in a woman's shoes, high heeled or otherwise. I'm not mad and don't mean to come off as harsh, I do understand your lack of understanding as a middle class white guy who is probably the least likely victim of a crime in the US. Still, it's important to try and recognize there are different realities for different demographics.... that's what the marches are about. One in 4 means you absolutely know women who have been victimized whether they have told you about it or not.

What is the negative consequences of the walk? Will they be arrested, beaten, or something else? To be brave you have to be doing these walks in the face of possible arrest or being killed (or at least some negative consequence) as you would in some other places. When there is no chance of a negative consequence is doing anything really brave?

What actual change are these walks supposed to illicit? When black people marched on Washington it was for a change in discriminatory laws. When gay people march now it is for equal marriage rights. When women marched in the early 20th century it was for the right to vote.

As has been pointed out the way you dress has nothing to do, usually, with getting assaulted. So when the march is all said and done what law or right is it supposed to grant?

 

[punkin]

What is the negative consequences of the walk? Will they be arrested, beaten, or something else? To be brave you have to be doing these walks in the face of possible arrest or being killed (or at least some negative consequence) as you would in some other places. When there is no chance of a negative consequence is doing anything really brave?

What actual change are these walks supposed to illicit? When black people marched on Washington it was for a change in discriminatory laws. When gay people march now it is for equal marriage rights. When women marched in the early 20th century it was for the right to vote.

As has been pointed out the way you dress has nothing to do, usually, with getting assaulted. So when the march is all said and done what law or right is it supposed to grant?

I have participated in many marches where there was absolutely no chance of anyone getting hurt. Some of those marches even led to significant policy changes. A march highlights awareness and shows solidarity. Obviously (based on the policeman's comments and some posts on this and other threads) awareness and education about the issue needs to be raised.

 

[Hoodie]

What is the negative consequences of the walk? Will they be arrested, beaten, or something else? To be brave you have to be doing these walks in the face of possible arrest or being killed (or at least some negative consequence) as you would in some other places. When there is no chance of a negative consequence is doing anything really brave?

What actual change are these walks supposed to illicit? When black people marched on Washington it was for a change in discriminatory laws. When gay people march now it is for equal marriage rights. When women marched in the early 20th century it was for the right to vote.

As has been pointed out the way you dress has nothing to do, usually, with getting assaulted. So when the march is all said and done what law or right is it supposed to grant?

Ensure their right to dress like a hooker?

Honestly, I'd be far more supportive of a walk or movement that encouraged women to see that they can express their sexuality without showing front and back cleavage. To take pride in themselves and not feel like they have to advertise their wares in order to either get attention or feel pretty. Let's face it, when you stamp a word on your rear, you expect someone to look to read it.

BTW - doesn't a slut get the reputation by always saying "yes?" How is claiming "sluthood" raising awareness of sexual assault?

 

[jp24]

Totally not what I was hoping for when I clicked on this thread.

 

[LuvOrlando]

What is the negative consequences of the walk? Will they be arrested, beaten, or something else? To be brave you have to be doing these walks in the face of possible arrest or being killed (or at least some negative consequence) as you would in some other places. When there is no chance of a negative consequence is doing anything really brave?

What actual change are these walks supposed to illicit? When black people marched on Washington it was for a change in discriminatory laws. When gay people march now it is for equal marriage rights. When women marched in the early 20th century it was for the right to vote.

As has been pointed out the way you dress has nothing to do, usually, with getting assaulted. So when the march is all said and done what law or right is it supposed to grant?

If you do not recognize the strength it takes for a person who has been previously victimized to even say it out loud there is nothing I can do to help you understand except ask you to think about it a little bit.

Some people lose husbands, families, jobs & friends over what other people do TO them... I don't know what else to say.

Maybe you don't get the dehumanizing connotation of the word, I'm not sure what to think about some of the responses here.

 

[Donaldswife]

Ensure their right to dress like a hooker?

Honestly, I'd be far more supportive of a walk or movement that encouraged women to see that they can express their sexuality without showing front and back cleavage. To take pride in themselves and not feel like they have to advertise their wares in order to either get attention or feel pretty. Let's face it, when you stamp a word on your rear, you expect someone to look to read it.

BTW - doesn't a slut get the reputation by always saying "yes?" How is claiming "sluthood" raising awareness of sexual assault?

Unfortunately a lot of people like to call people "slut" without them having done a thing to deserve it, basically just because they are wearing something provocative.

I agree that all people (men and women) should dress with more respect for themselves, but I do not condone ANYONE (especially a police officer who is supposed to protect innocent people) blaming a victim of a sexual assualt by saying they brought it upon themselves by dressing a certain way. How is a victim supposed to report a crime when they think the very people who are paid to protect them are going to blame them because they tried to make themselves attractive to opposite sex?

 

[okeydokey]

I don't think a policeman who is paid to protect people has the right to say people who he deems to look like sluts should blame themselves for their rape. I am ashamed of those who think this is true.

If you can't see what point is being raised by these marches, then you are IMO obtuse.

 

[luvmy3]

Ensure their right to dress like a hooker?

Honestly, I'd be far more supportive of a walk or movement that encouraged women to see that they can express their sexuality without showing front and back cleavage. To take pride in themselves and not feel like they have to advertise their wares in order to either get attention or feel pretty. Let's face it, when you stamp a word on your rear, you expect someone to look to read it.
BTW - doesn't a slut get the reputation by always saying "yes?" How is claiming "sluthood" raising awareness of sexual assault?

And you can expect a man to be able to control himself and not rape you when you do too.
Or, you can expect not to be blamed for wearing words across your rear if you are raped.
Isn't that what this walk is all about, a woman's freedom to dress as she pleases and not be blamed for a rapist's actions? I don't care what they wear or choose to call themselves, I'm definitly a supporter of that

 

[FireDancer]

And you can expect a man to be able to control himself and not rape you when you do too.
Or, you can expect not to be blamed for wearing words across your rear if you are raped.
Isn't that what this walk is all about, a woman's freedom to dress as she pleases and not be blamed for a rapist's actions? I don't care what they wear or choose to call themselves, I'm definitly a supporter of that

While I completely agree with the first two sentences I'm not so sure about the last. When I see news of these I don't think people demonstrating for freedom, how nice. I think a bunch of people dressed up like sluts to get attention with the majority of them only being there because it is the place to be, not because they are trying to force any social change. Most probably don't even know the name of the cop who in another country said what he said. Besides, what a cop in some other country says really doesn't have anything to do with U.S. law. As far as I know there are no laws here that make a rape not a crime if the victim is dressed inappropriately.

I know not to rape anyone regardless of what they are wearing, I don't need to be made aware.

 

[Donaldswife]

While I completely agree with the first two sentences I'm not so sure about the last. When I see news of these I don't think people demonstrating for freedom, how nice. I think a bunch of people dressed up like sluts to get attention with the majority of them only being there because it is the place to be, not because they are trying to force any social change. Most probably don't even know the name of the cop who in another country said what he said. Besides, what a cop in some other country says really doesn't have anything to do with U.S. law. As far as I know there are no laws here that make a rape not a crime if the victim is dressed inappropriately.
I know not to rape anyone regardless of what they are wearing, I don't need to be made aware.

There is not a law stating that, but there are a lot of people who demonstrate the attitude that if a woman dresses sexy, she is getting what she "asks for," which is one of the reasons a lot of these crimes go unreported. The female is afraid of being called a slut, or being accused of being a tease.

I do understand the issue they are trying to bring more awareness to, I just don't think the way they are doing is necessarily the best. I will say this though, I am glad to see people talking about here, so maybe it has helped someone somewhere?

 

[luvmy3]

While I completely agree with the first two sentences I'm not so sure about the last. When I see news of these I don't think people demonstrating for freedom, how nice. I think a bunch of people dressed up like sluts to get attention with the majority of them only being there because it is the place to be, not because they are trying to force any social change. Most probably don't even know the name of the cop who in another country said what he said. Besides, what a cop in some other country says really doesn't have anything to do with U.S. law. As far as I know there are no laws here that make a rape not a crime if the victim is dressed inappropriately.

I know not to rape anyone regardless of what they are wearing, I don't need to be made aware.

Okay, freedom was not the correct word. How about they are trying to bring awareness to the fact that there are people out there that actually hold women responisble for being raped, because they dress slutty, sexy, provocative, etc. By staging these walks, they are just trying to make them aware that they are in fact idiots and should educate themselves on who is really to blame when a woman gets raped. A cause I still support

 

[FireDancer]

I do understand the issue they are trying to bring more awareness to, I just don't think the way they are doing is necessarily the best.

I'm right there with you. All I see is a bunch of people dressed like sluts looking for attention. I don't see people trying to force social change.

Okay, freedom was not the correct word. How about they are trying to bring awareness to the fact that there are people out there that actually hold women responisble for being raped, because they dress slutty, sexy, provocative, etc. By staging these walks, they are just trying to make them aware that they are in fact idiots and should educate themselves on who is really to blame when a woman gets raped. A cause I still support

Unfortunately the world is full of dummies. I'm not so sure these walks are going to fix that.

I think when all these slut walks are said and done all the people who don't blame women for getting raped will still not blame them and all the people who do blame them will still blame them despite the dog and pony show.

Don't get me wrong, the picture are great so keep doing it but I really really doubt it is actually getting the message they are trying to get across to the people who need to get the message.

 

[Not My Fault!]

I believe what the poster was trying to say is that women are lucky to be allowed to speak at all in this country and we should just thank the men that allow us to have such freedoms and just shut up. After all, we could be living in Islamabad, where we would be stoned for being raped.

 

[Not My Fault!]

Again!

Actually I think he meant the same freedom that gives women the right to walk around dressed like sluts gives policemen the freedom to speak their mind and give their opinion even if you don't agree with it. Here, there is no danger and in reality you aren't going to effect any actual change. If you want to really try and create social change go to a place that give women NO rights, like the places he mentioned, and walk around dressed that way.

Of course the initial comment was in Canada which isn't the U.S. but I get the spirit of what he is saying.

 

[LuvOrlando]

I'm not so sure any of you guys (unsympathetic unlookers) are getting the point at all. I do not think the point behind any of this is to win over misogynists, chauvinists or people skeptical of the relevancy of the issue. Quite the contrary, the point is to galvanize victims of abuse into a coherent force, not for you, but for themselves.

It's to say you don't count and your hurtful words don't count.

 

[Conservative Hippie]

Ensure their right to dress like a hooker?

Honestly, I'd be far more supportive of a walk or movement that encouraged women to see that they can express their sexuality without showing front and back cleavage. To take pride in themselves and not feel like they have to advertise their wares in order to either get attention or feel pretty. Let's face it, when you stamp a word on your rear, you expect someone to look to read it.

I completely agree. Modest is hottest!

 

[IdesOmarch]

We are too hung up on nudity and exposing flesh in the USA. I never get the fact that we are supposed to be ashamed of the way God made us? If you wear something to make you look better or sexy, how is that a negative thing? It's not to me.