Sick of the upper class bashing

[ducklite]

Aint that the truth!

All the problems of Society are blamed (on the Disboards) on the poor...as if Poor people choose to be that. Or People are only poor because they are lazy and/or stupid!

And the amount of BRAGGING by some posters on how much they make, and how easy they have it and how much $ they spend on crappolla is beyond comphrension. What ever happened to modesty?

I don't blame the poor. I blame a broken system and elected leaders who have just tried to continue to pour money into it to fix it, rather than address the real problems with it.

Some people are poor because they are lazy or stupid. Some people are poor because of circumstances beyond their control. Some people are poor because no one has ever showed them how to not be poor--and again, that goes back to the system being broken.

 

[connorlevismom]

While that is true, more times than not, money comes from money. If your parents have money, it gives you advantages in life. I would argue there are a lot of people who grow up with no knowledge of what hard work is, since their parents or grandparents did it for them.

You obviously never met my parents. They have lots of money but it was for THEM because THEY (my dad) worked hard and we did not need it. My did worked hard and I saw that and that is where I got my work ethic. But other than that, it did not give me any advantages in life at all. I worked my butt off to be where I am today. So I can see that sometimes money comes from money but not in all cases. In my case, money came from hard work on MY part.

Kristine

 

[connorlevismom]

I have to agree. The one that comes to mind is the thread where someone thought people on welfare didn't deserve to take a vacation.

I am one who thinks that if you on wellfare you should not go on vacation. If you cannot afford to live and take money from the taxpayers so that you have enough to survive on, and then go on a vacation. Yeah, that would tork me off something fierce. Vacation is a luxury and if you cannot afford it, you just don't go. End of story.

I am curious, why do you think it is OK for people to collect wellfare and then go on vacation?

 

[DISUNC]

I don't blame the poor. I blame a broken system and elected leaders who have just tried to continue to pour money into it to fix it, rather than address the real problems with it.

Some people are poor because they are lazy or stupid. Some people are poor because of circumstances beyond their control. Some people are poor because no one has ever showed them how to not be poor--and again, that goes back to the system being broken.

Yep I agree! However I dont think the poor or "stupid" or even lazy are in any way criminals, nor should be treated as such by individuals or society.

So if one of the reasons people are poor is because of the "broken system'...Shouldn't this same system, while knowing this, help the poor?

 

[hydster]

I am one who thinks that if you on wellfare you should not go on vacation. If you cannot afford to live and take money from the taxpayers so that you have enough to survive on, and then go on a vacation. Yeah, that would tork me off something fierce. Vacation is a luxury and if you cannot afford it, you just don't go. End of story.

I am curious, why do you think it is OK for people to collect wellfare and then go on vacation?

I totally agree with you there! I do NOT believe people taking welfare from the government should go on vacation. It wasn't created for that it was created for the basic human NEEDS not wants!

 

[DISUNC]

I am one who thinks that if you on wellfare you should not go on vacation. If you cannot afford to live and take money from the taxpayers so that you have enough to survive on, and then go on a vacation. Yeah, that would tork me off something fierce. Vacation is a luxury and if you cannot afford it, you just don't go. End of story.

I am curious, why do you think it is OK for people to collect wellfare and then go on vacation?

If someone else pays for the vacation...Why Not?
I am not on Welfare, but if anybody ever offered me a ALL EXPENSE PAID vacation....I Am THERE!

I do doubt that anyone who really must survive on Welfare ever goes on vacation....so this is all really a mute point.

 

[DISUNC]

After reading most of this thread....I do find it IRONIC that the title is "Sick of Upper Class Bashing"....yet most of the post are "Poor/Middle class Bashing"!

 

[hydster]

If someone else pays for the vacation...Why Not?
I am not on Welfare, but if anybody ever offered me a ALL EXPENSE PAID vacation....I Am THERE!

I do doubt that anyone who really must survive on Welfare ever goes on vacation....so this is all really a mute point.

I admit that this is the one issue that I am conflicted about both ways. I don't believe people on assistance should be going on vacation with government funds BUT I don't know how I feel about it in regards to someone else taking them.

On one hand I think if someone is going to take them and pay for them then who am I to have a say in that and they should be able to go and yet the other side of me thinks well instead of putting up the cash to go on vacation maybe the people who are giving the trip should help out with the $$ situation instead. I really am conflicted on this! Both ways seem right and wrong on their own merits!

 

[hydster]

After reading most of this thread....I do find it IRONIC that the title is "Sick of Upper Class Bashing"....yet most of the post are "Poor/Middle class Bashing"!

Well it didn't start with that intent but......

 

[cteddiesgirl]

While that is true, more times than not, money comes from money. If your parents have money, it gives you advantages in life. I would argue there are a lot of people who grow up with no knowledge of what hard work is, since their parents or grandparents did it for them.

Actually, your parents having money gives you a hand up already.
Parents having money usually means a nice neighborhood with good schools for their kids to go to.

If you don't have much money, you would generally live in a not so nice neighborhood and schools that are not very good.

I have had experience in both types of schools.

From 1-8 grades, I lived in a large neighborhood that was districted in the inner city schools. The classes were easy. On a state-wide test, I ended up having the 2nd highest scores in the largest middle school in the state.
The school routinely had large fights, had weapons taken away from students, drugs found on students and in lockers, etc.
After I graduated 8th grade, my family moved to a much better area of town. I ended up going the the best public high school in the state. The classes were much more difficult and I really struggled my first year. But, I'm sure that in the long run, it helped me to get into a better college than if I'd stayed in the other school system.

I found a place that allowed me to pay the security deposit by credit card. Then I paid the credit card off two weeks later when I got the security deposit back from my previous rental.

I also downgraded to a smaller place due to rents being more than double where I was moving from. But it was a calculated risk, going from a place with a bad economy to a place with a good economy. Frankly I'd do it again if it meant the difference between working at a crappy job and having the opportunity to find a good job with the possibility for advancement.

Gee. How could that possibly help me?
I currently live with my father. No security deposit to get from him.
I also have no credit cards. And I can't get one with my really bad credit from several years ago.

As stated before, not everyone can just up and move to another place.

 

[faith]

This is sort of off topic, but Dh had a friend that would constantly quote his purchase price of every big item he bought. Drove me crazy. I guess he was trying to impress people??? Anyway, I've found the people that talk about what they have..usually have very little in the bank. Those who are wealthy and don't flaunt it are usually very understated and wonderful people. A car saleman friend tells us those who come in wearing fancy clothes and flashy jewelry have the worst credit, and the average "Joe" wearing a ball cap and sweatshirt has the good credit. Go figure!

 

[ducklite]

Actually, your parents having money gives you a hand up already.
Parent having money usually means a nice neighborhood with good schools for their kids to go to.

If you don't have much money, you would generall live in a not so nice neighborhood and schools that are not very good.

I have had experience in both types of schools.

From 1-8 grades, I lived in a large neighborhood that was districted in the inner city schools. The classes were easy. On a state-wide test, I ended up having the 2nd highest scores in the largest middle school in the state.
The school routinely had large fights, had weapons taken away from students, drugs found on students and in lockers, etc.
After I graduated 8th grade, my family moved to a much better area of town. I ended up going the the best public high school in the state. The classes were much more difficult and I really struggled my first year. But, I'm sure that in the long run, it helped me to get into a better college than if I'd stayed in the other school system.


Gee. How could that possibly help me?
I currently live with my father. No security deposit to get from him.
I also have no credit cards. And I can't get one with my really bad credit from several years ago.

As stated before, not everyone can just up and move to another place.

While I have no idea of what expenses you might have, it seems that if you are living at home you shouldn't have a problem saving some money. Perhaps get a second job in retail and have that check direct deposited into a savings account--out of sight, out of mind?

 

[ducklite]

Yep I agree! However I dont think the poor or "stupid" or even lazy are in any way criminals, nor should be treated as such by individuals or society.

So if one of the reasons people are poor is because of the "broken system'...Shouldn't this same system, while knowing this, help the poor?

Sure, but not in the way it's currently doing so. The system needs to be revamped to give people a specific amount of time to become self-sufficient--and give them the tools to do so as well, rather than just dumping money at them. (That said, there are people who are disabled or have other extenuating curcumstances that we as a civilized society need to provide for.)

 

[connorlevismom]

If someone else pays for the vacation...Why Not?
I am not on Welfare, but if anybody ever offered me a ALL EXPENSE PAID vacation....I Am THERE!

I do doubt that anyone who really must survive on Welfare ever goes on vacation....so this is all really a mute point.

Well, I really have no issue with someone else paying. I said that I have issues with people taking money from taxpayers and going on vacation. Meaning, using that money to take a vacation. If someone else is buying, I have nothing to say. I think that they would be more wise to spend the money buying the family something they might NEED, I don't control the money so I really have nothing to say.

 

[connorlevismom]

This is sort of off topic, but Dh had a friend that would constantly quote his purchase price of every big item he bought. Drove me crazy. I guess he was trying to impress people??? Anyway, I've found the people that talk about what they have..usually have very little in the bank. Those who are wealthy and don't flaunt it are usually very understated and wonderful people. A car saleman friend tells us those who come in wearing fancy clothes and flashy jewelry have the worst credit, and the average "Joe" wearing a ball cap and sweatshirt has the good credit. Go figure!

This reminds me of something that my mom used to freak about. She was very strict on never telling people what things cost. She used to always tell me how rude it is. And she was right.

Kristine

 

[connorlevismom]

After reading most of this thread....I do find it IRONIC that the title is "Sick of Upper Class Bashing"....yet most of the post are "Poor/Middle class Bashing"!

Hey, I am the OP and brought that up pages ago. But I was pretty much told that is the way it goes so, this is where this thread has turned. But not that I am not taking part in the conversation.

Kristine

 

[MushyMushy]

What is keeping them from taking student loans? Stafford Loans are available to everyone regardless of financial ability or credit worthiness. I'm not suggesting that everyone take time off and wait until they are their 30's to attend college by any means. I'm just saying that there are loans available that combined with work/study programs will be enough to pay tuition for an undergraduate degree at most public colleges--provided that community college is used as the first step.

Back when I was trying to get into college without my parents' help, I couldn't get those kinds of loans because THEY made too much money, despite the fact that they wouldn't help me. The only loans available to me were the credit worthy ones. I had to wait until I was (I believe) 24... maybe 25 before I could apply for those loans! I don't know if it's still that way or not. But for a lot of people, waiting until they're 25 is difficult, and they might have other things going on in their lives at that point (for me, it was being a single mother struggling to put food on the table).

That WIC food was mighty tasty. We were sure living high on the hog.

 

[cteddiesgirl]

While I have no idea of what expenses you might have, it seems that if you are living at home you shouldn't have a problem saving some money. Perhaps get a second job in retail and have that check direct deposited into a savings account--out of sight, out of mind?

My expenses deal mainly with my allergies. As stated before my soap cost $8 per bottle. I have no other choice in soap. Everything else breaks me out. Because of this, I have to carry it with me where ever I go. Meaning, I use more of my soap that I buy than people that don't stay home all day. Meaning, I have to buy it more often. This is just 1 thing. I also have to use certain shampoo, conditioner, certain makeup, certain lotion, etc. Any thing that touches my skin I have to be extremely careful of or I break out in itchy, red hives that also hurt. And what I can actually use is not found in the local dollar shops. And they tend to be more expensive. This is just a huge part of my expenses. I also have allergy medicine to buy every week.
I buy most of my own food,too. Not my father. Because of my lack of transportation, I can only go to Wal-Mart to shop.
I do give my father some money to help with household expenses such as gas, lights, etc. But it's no where near what rent would cost me.
But, I can not save up much if any money after my expenses. I do not go out to eat, I don't go out. Period. I do buy extras of items that I know I need to stock up for when I know I won't be working.
I also have over $60,000 in debt that I can't pay. Half of it was due to medical bills and it doubled due to fees and finance charges. I can't even save enough money to file for bankruptcy.

I used to have a second job. But both places that I worked at part time closed. I don't get home from my full time job until about 6:30. Every place around here closes about 8 pm. They will not hire someone to work only 1.5 hr at night or only weekends. I've already tried.
The only other places nearby are restaurants, which I can't work at since just the smell of certain foods make me physically ill. There is also Wal-Mart, but they also won't hire me because I can't work during their particular schedule. My father can't give me a ride anywhere else because he works from early afternoon to 11pm.
So, I'm stuck.

I have sold stuff on the internet, but most of what I have now, no one wants. I've had a few things listed on a couple sites for about 3-4 years. I have nothing of value to most people.

 

[Nikel]

That WIC food was mighty tasty. We were sure living high on the hog.

Milk, peanut butter, juice, eggs, cereal, and cheese. It just doesn't get any better than that.

 

[Oreo Cookie]

After reading most of this thread....I do find it IRONIC that the title is "Sick of Upper Class Bashing"....yet most of the post are "Poor/Middle class Bashing"!

It doesn't surprise me that this is what the thread morphed into, it was predictable.