Should he have shot her?

[Charade]

Oh Lord, lead me not into temptation to post on these religious posts!

Please God, stop her. Thanks!

 

[PrincessKsMom]

What point are you trying to make with this comment?

It sounded like a racist comment, that this type of thing is a "ghetto" thing, meaning this would only in a black neighborhood. Like you needed me to spell it out.

 

[rie'smom]

Even if it's 50 yards if she is faster than you she will catch you in those 50 yards and you are dead. Given the limited information here, like how far away the brother was when the chase would have started, and given the option of run away and hope you are faster or shoot I'd pick shoot too.



Most statues, as far as I know, allow for defense of self or of others.

ETA: I found this quote and it might shed a light on the legal question:



It looks to me as though in Louisiana the brother wouldn't have to believe his brother's life was in danger of being killed, just that he was preventing a "violent forcible felony" which I believe assault with a knife is and Louisiana doesn't seem to care, according to this quote, if a safe retreat is an option since it distinctly states that that makes LA law different than most in that respect. This quote was in response to a question about a different case which is why it mentions an officer but the question seems valid for this one.

I'm no lawyer though so maybe something has changed or this document was wrong. I don't know.

Louisiana law is based on the Napoleonic Code rather than English Common Law so we're different and glad of it.

 

[Rora]

If he was defending his brother's life at the time of the shooting, then yes.

I agree. If it was defense, I'm okay with it. If not, then no, it was wrong to shoot.

 

[DaParkers]

Everyone keeps saying whether or not they should have been able to overpower her. There was no reason TO TRY. In fact, no one should try in an instance like this one.

I am not quite clear why the choices seem to be shoot her or overpower her. We don't know the exact details but getting away from her as quickly as possibly (as in RUN) could have been another option.

Maybe the guy made the best decision he could at the time with the information he had at the time? Maybe the only logical thing to do was shoot her. Sad, though.

 

[FredinFL]

Yes, there are a few choices, run, tackle, shoot, pepper spray, but without knowing all the facts we don't know what the best one was in the situation. Also, since none of our lives, or our loved ones were (seemingly) at risk its very easy for us to assume what "other" choices they had, but I guarantee you that if you are in a position where your life is threatened, you don't sit there contemplating which is the best option to keep the knife yielding weirdo safe, you contemplate which option keeps you and your loved one safe, and you react in an instant. In this case the kid chose the gun, seems like a reasonable choice to me.

Git 'er done.

 

[Charade]

It sounded like a racist comment, that this type of thing is a "ghetto" thing, meaning this would only in a black neighborhood. Like you needed me to spell it out.

The term "ghetto" is not exclusive to black neighborhoods.

And the ?? Really? I was asking a simple question. It seems it was you that projected a lot on the person who posted the reference to "ghetto" and me. Like I was supposed to know exactly what you were talking about.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

The entire incident sounds very GHETTO anyway, so I would not expect it to end much differently. SHOULD he have shot her? I don't know.....should anyone be dating someone like that? No.....and if you are, you are probably like she is.

Dawn

I will restate what I have said before on here.....it isn't necessarily about money, there is an entire class issue involved.

The entire incident reeked of low class.....this is not a typical incident in Beverly Hill, although if an idiot movie star or ball player is involved....well, then you have money but still no class.

Statistically these things (bashing out windows, bringing a knife in, etc...) rarely happen in well educated areas. There are incidences but it just doesn't happen with anywhere near the same frequency.
I am quite positive there are nicer areas of New Orleans and I wasn't thinking "because this is New Orleans it must be ghetto" at all. It was the actual unfolding of events that made me think that.

Dawn

The term "ghetto" is not exclusive to black neighborhoods.

And the ?? Really? I was asking a simple question. It seems it was you that projected a lot on the person who posted the reference to "ghetto" and me. Like I was supposed to know exactly what you were talking about.

When have you ever heard the term "GHETTO" (her caps, not mine) used in reference to any affluent or even middle class neighborhood? The incident happened in New Orleans and that poster is calling them low class and uneducated, but I'm projecting?

 

[FireDancer]

When have you ever heard the term "GHETTO" (her caps, not mine) used in reference to any affluent or even middle class neighborhood? The incident happened in New Orleans and that poster is calling them low class and uneducated, but I'm projecting?

Growing up in a very white middle class area I heard things described as ghetto around me all the time. Cars driving by with bass that would shake the windows of houses for example was popular when I was in high school and was often described as ghetto.

If my neighbor shot his girlfriend on their lawn as she was wielding a knife I would think "ghetto" would be an accurate description. It is about behavior more than class or color IMO.

 

[Lassie Lynne]

It is hard to make judgements about these things if you are not there and understand all of the facts.

Example:

I once almost shot my husband (and if I had, he would have been critically wounded), in our own house. He was also armed. (these are the facts of the case).

Here is "the rest of the story"......

My ex-husband was a police officer, who taught me how to handle firearms. I had one in the house and the correct permits. I was to use this to protect myself. Police officers often get threats against their family - - and unfortunately, everyone knows where everyone lives in a small town.

My hubby and I had a system where he would call me right before he came home (before cell phones), so I knew it was him in the house. One night, he didn't call, and it was much earlier than his normal time home. I heard noises, louds ones of some attempting to open the door and I grabed my gun. The person turned on no lights and was creeping in the living room, I came down the hall, gun ready, turned on the light and said my loudest "freeze, I have a gun and I will shoot you" Well.....there is my police officer husband with his arms wide up and smile on his face. After being glad it was only him, I apologized, but he said I had acted correctly.


Now, if you didn't know the particulars of the case, you might have thought that I was just trying to kill my husband. I did learn, at that moment, that I would kill to protect myself or others if threatened.

 

[luvsJack]

Growing up in a very white middle class area I heard things described as ghetto around me all the time. Cars driving by with bass that would shake the windows of houses for example was popular when I was in high school and was often described as ghetto.

If my neighbor shot his girlfriend on their lawn as she was wielding a knife I would think "ghetto" would be an accurate description. It is about behavior more than class or color IMO.

I agree. Its a certain kind of behavior. I have heard the term by all races.

 

[DawnM]

Yes, but did he come on your front lawn, yell for you to come out and "fight" and break in your windows of your car and wield a knife at you screaming threats and such?

No, it was an honest mistake.....this story has some of the above details.....

Dawn

It is hard to make judgements about these things if you are not there and understand all of the facts.

Example:

I once almost shot my husband (and if I had, he would have been critically wounded), in our own house. He was also armed. (these are the facts of the case).

Here is "the rest of the story"......

My ex-husband was a police officer, who taught me how to handle firearms. I had one in the house and the correct permits. I was to use this to protect myself. Police officers often get threats against their family - - and unfortunately, everyone knows where everyone lives in a small town.

My hubby and I had a system where he would call me right before he came home (before cell phones), so I knew it was him in the house. One night, he didn't call, and it was much earlier than his normal time home. I heard noises, louds ones of some attempting to open the door and I grabed my gun. The person turned on no lights and was creeping in the living room, I came down the hall, gun ready, turned on the light and said my loudest "freeze, I have a gun and I will shoot you" Well.....there is my police officer husband with his arms wide up and smile on his face. After being glad it was only him, I apologized, but he said I had acted correctly.


Now, if you didn't know the particulars of the case, you might have thought that I was just trying to kill my husband. I did learn, at that moment, that I would kill to protect myself or others if threatened.

 

[DawnM]

Absolutely! I don't know what race these folks are. I wasn't actually thinking of a race when I said ghetto. I have met ghetto African American, Caucasian, Latino, and Asian.

It is a lifestyle and behavior.

Dawn

I agree. Its a certain kind of behavior. I have heard the term by all races.

 

[Charade]

When have you ever heard the term "GHETTO" (her caps, not mine) used in reference to any affluent or even middle class neighborhood? The incident happened in New Orleans and that poster is calling them low class and uneducated, but I'm projecting?

I have not but "ghetto" isn't exclusive to black neighborhoods. It might be in NOLA, but it also might mean something else in South Central LA. It's normally associated with lower income/socio-economic/racial/ethnic groups of people. Look it up if you don't believe me.

 

[DaParkers]

For those of you that think they should've run or overpowered the woman, these 2 incidents happened in N.O. over the weekend also.


Aggravated Battery (cutting)
14:41hrs
3900 blk Louisiana Avenue Pkwy
Victim: Male, DOB 06/28/67
Arrested Subject: Patricia Rowe, female, 44
Gist: The victim and arrested subject had a verbal altercation when the arrested subject produced a knife. The victim sustained a stab wound to the arm. The victim was seen by EMS on scene.
Aggravated Battery/Domestic (cutting)
15:25hrs
1800 blk Franklin Ave
Victim: Male, DOB 09/18/77
Arrested Subject: Stacey Badon, female, 24
Gist: The victim and arrested subject (wife) had a verbal altercation. The victim tried to leave the location when the arrested subject produced a knife from the kitchen. The victim sustained a minor cut to the head. The victim was treated by EMS on scene.

 

[DaParkers]

Everyone, let the ghetto reference go. It was true. As a black man that lives in N.O. and that grew up in the "ghetto", I was initially offended. But, after thinking about it, I realized that it was true. I appreciate those that defended N.O., but this incident was ghetto. Someone asked what a 19 year old was doing with a gun. That's normal here. We routinely have 15-19 year old victims and perpetrators of violent crime. It's sad, but it's true. My city has a lot of young people, mostly black, that have a ghetto mentality and lifestyle. With that said, my city is not ghetto. When you get away from the ghettos and tourist areas, we have a culture and heritage unlike any other city. And great food! There's always something family oriented to do. There's no place like New Orleans and I love it.