Should alimony be abolished?

Oh yes, I care so much. I was asking why never since running a bath is not something you would do for a grown child. Kids grow up so those tasks are not a reason to stay home. Wow- little touchy?

NO not touchy in the least. I still want to know why you care. If that poster wants to say home and never go back to work outside the home, why do you care. What concern is it for yours. Maybe her DH likes her at home. I know plenty of people that don't work once their grown.

Sorry bit I see you as the touchy one. YOu seem to be really ticked off that some of us don't work outside the home. Why do you care and what business is it of yours?
 
:thumbsup2 Do you get asked to baby sit a lot? because I do!! All the moms have my phone number and since I'm home anyway why shouldn't mind, right? :confused3


Oh yes I do! Especially on snow days! LoL. I'm usually running a bath for my older two so I really don't have the time! ;)

I still have one in Middle School - and you be surprised how many of my "friends" also expect me to pick and drop off their adult children when we go get ours from College! They go to OU in Athens - "oh can you swing by Ohio State or Cincinnati to pick up Suzie - I can't miss work!" Ummm no! It's hours out of my way!
 
I think that in order to get any alimony that the person that is getting it should not be sitting home while the other works--if one person has to pay the other alimony than the person getting it should at least have to go out and bring in some of their own income and not expect to live totally off the money of someone else.

OMG Are you kidding me. I am so glad my DH doesn't think of it as "his" money. How rude and insulting. I guess since I stayed home to take care of the kids, and their Drs appointment, dentist appointments, their illnesses and injuries. I guess I could consider these MY kids and not his since I did most of the work, at least in your little mixed up world.
 
Oh yes I do! Especially on snow days! LoL. I'm usually running a bath for my older two so I really don't have the time! ;)

I still have one in Middle School - and you be surprised how many of my "friends" also expect me to pick and drop off their adult children when we go get ours from College! They go to OU in Athens - "oh can you swing by Ohio State or Cincinnati to pick up Suzie - I can't miss work!" Ummm no! It's hours out of my way!

What about giving them ride to their activities because the other moms just can't get home form work at that time?

NOw if I can just get these kids out of my house so I can get on with my Bons Bons and TV watching and napping. Man, don't these kids know that I have BIG plans for today.
 

Some people here really seem to have a hard time grasping that one parent staying at home, or taking a low-paying part time job, can truly benefit the other in their career. If I started working full time now we would lose money as a household. My husband works extremely long hours and is on the partnership track at a major firm. If he were suddenly unable to work such long hours because he had to deal with half of the time the kids are off sick, childcare falls through and dropping off and picking up kids from whatever child care we manage to find, not to mention half of waiting in for repairmen, etc., that would affect his career prospects. Add in the cost of childcare for our children and we would likely have significantly less money to spend than we do now.

If he worked a straight 9-5 job, or any regular schedule of 40 hours a week, that would be a different story. As it is, he pretty much needs to be able to work until midnight if a report needs to go out, meaning I had better not have a job with equal responsibility.

I honestly can't say whether I will ever have a paying job again. That doesn't mean I sit around doing nothing. Volunteer work is good for me and for the community, but it doesn't pay well at all. We actually feel that as a family having me available to do more of that sort of thing offsets my husband generally being unable to do much at all.
 
What about giving them ride to their activities because the other moms just can't get home form work at that time?

NOw if I can just get these kids out of my house so I can get on with my Bons Bons and TV watching and napping. Man, don't these kids know that I have BIG plans for today.

I know!

Let me set the record straight - I do (thank goodness) have some wonderful friends! Some work and some don't - and we all respect their choices and wouldn't dream of insulting or making light of how much they do or don't contribute to their marriages or family!

And you know what else? I love that I can help my friends who have to or choose to work! Heck even some of the kids of parents who are rude to me! It's not their fault their mom or dad is a poopy head. I don't want them sitting home or not be able to participate in summer camp or hanging at the pool with their friends! They should be able to have fun too. If I can I fill up the van with as many as I can!
 
I know!

Let me set the record straight - I do (thank goodness) have some wonderful friends! Some work and some don't - and we all respect their choices and wouldn't dream of insulting or making light of how much they do or don't contribute to their marriages or family!

And you know what else? I love that I can help my friends who have to or choose to work! Heck even some of the kids of parents who are rude to me! It's not their fault their mom or dad is a poopy head. I don't want them sitting home or not be able to participate in summer camp or hanging at the pool with their friends! They should be able to have fun too. If I can I fill up the van with as many as I can!

Exactly. In fact most of my friends do work and they fully understand my decision, but there are the very few that don't. I have heard their snide remarks and they don't sit well.

Also FWIW, I plan on going back to school this fall and going back to work. DH is semi retired, and it is time for me to get out and about, my choice not his.
 
Some people here really seem to have a hard time grasping that one parent staying at home, or taking a low-paying part time job, can truly benefit the other in their career. If I started working full time now we would lose money as a household. My husband works extremely long hours and is on the partnership track at a major firm. If he were suddenly unable to work such long hours because he had to deal with half of the time the kids are off sick, childcare falls through and dropping off and picking up kids from whatever child care we manage to find, not to mention half of waiting in for repairmen, etc., that would affect his career prospects. Add in the cost of childcare for our children and we would likely have significantly less money to spend than we do now.

If he worked a straight 9-5 job, or any regular schedule of 40 hours a week, that would be a different story. As it is, he pretty much needs to be able to work until midnight if a report needs to go out, meaning I had better not have a job with equal responsibility.

I honestly can't say whether I will ever have a paying job again. That doesn't mean I sit around doing nothing. Volunteer work is good for me and for the community, but it doesn't pay well at all. We actually feel that as a family having me available to do more of that sort of thing offsets my husband generally being unable to do much at all.

This is us exactly, except with the genders reversed. I need the flexibility that having a stay at home husband/dad brings to be successful in my job. This past January, I had one week's notice that I had to take an assignment that involved me travelling back and forth to Germany for 2 months. That would have been a nightmare to work out if my husband still worked outside the home.

I notice a lot of the attitude towards SAHPs is aimed at the one who stays at home. I'll let you in on a dirty little secret - I'm the one who is spoiled by having my husband stay home! We have our weekends pretty much to ourselves as he does the errands and chores during the week. We can easily plan vacations as we only need to worry about my schedule. I haven't turned on my oven in the 3 years we've been in this house (I hate cooking). Everyone thinks he has it good, but I think I'm the one with a sweet deal!!
 
This is us exactly, except with the genders reversed. I need the flexibility that having a stay at home husband/dad brings to be successful in my job. This past January, I had one week's notice that I had to take an assignment that involved me travelling back and forth to Germany for 2 months. That would have been a nightmare to work out if my husband still worked outside the home.

I notice a lot of the attitude towards SAHPs is aimed at the one who stays at home. I'll let you in on a dirty little secret - I'm the one who is spoiled by having my husband stay home! We have our weekends pretty much to ourselves as he does the errands and chores during the week. We can easily plan vacations as we only need to worry about my schedule. I haven't turned on my oven in the 3 years we've been in this house (I hate cooking). Everyone thinks he has it good, but I think I'm the one with a sweet deal!!

Thanks for the sweet nod to SAHPs. I think my DH felt the same way when I left the workforce for a few years to stay at home with the kids. His long hours, travel schedule, etc. plus paying for childcare for two just made it unfeasible for both of us to work. We both agreed that it was better for me to stay home until both of our children were in school, and our entire family benefitted from it.
 
I think that in order to get any alimony that the person that is getting it should not be sitting home while the other works--if one person has to pay the other alimony than the person getting it should at least have to go out and bring in some of their own income and not expect to live totally off the money of someone else.

I really don't see why it would matter. Assuming it doesn't effect the amount, and in most cases I'm familiar with it doesn't because that amount and duration is set at the time of the divorce, I don't see what difference it makes if the ex is willing to live a more modest lifestyle to get by on alimony alone or goes back to work to have a better quality of life.

I notice a lot of the attitude towards SAHPs is aimed at the one who stays at home. I'll let you in on a dirty little secret - I'm the one who is spoiled by having my husband stay home! We have our weekends pretty much to ourselves as he does the errands and chores during the week. We can easily plan vacations as we only need to worry about my schedule. I haven't turned on my oven in the 3 years we've been in this house (I hate cooking). Everyone thinks he has it good, but I think I'm the one with a sweet deal!!

:thumbsup2 I keep saying that, but maybe it'll go over better coming from a working parent rather than one who stays at home.
 
This thread is way off track.

The topic was alimony.

It is totally understood that some families decide for one parent to stay home while the family unit is intact.

If a divorce takes place, would most want to continue paying to support their ex spouse while they stayed home? I can not imagine they would.
 
You are correct - the thread was about alimony. But some very insulting digs insinuating that stay at home spouses don't "work" or contribute to marriages were made. Some of us were disagreeing with that fact and pointing out that what we do merrits alimony even if we aren't earning a paycheck!
So actually it is on topic.
 
You are correct - the thread was about alimony. But some very insulting digs insinuating that stay at home spouses don't "work" or contribute to marriages were made. Some of us were disagreeing with that fact and pointing out that what we do merrits alimony even if we aren't earning a paycheck!
So actually it is on topic.

Not really.

You are discussing the decisions you made while married.

No one stated stay at home parents are entitled to nothing but some plan other than ever ending alimony is needed in the case if divorce.

It has dissolved into how put upon stay at homers are by working parents.
 
Not really.

You are discussing the decisions you made while married.

No one stated stay at home parents are entitled to nothing but some plan other than ever ending alimony is needed in the case if divorce.

It has dissolved into how put upon stay at homers are by working parents.



That's because stay at home parents have 40 extra hours in their week. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
 
Not really.

You are discussing the decisions you made while married.

No one stated stay at home parents are entitled to nothing but some plan other than ever ending alimony is needed in the case if divorce.

It has dissolved into how put upon stay at homers are by working parents.

Actually, I do believe that another poster did insinuate that if you stayed home, you were in fact living off of someones else's money. That is beyond insulting and if you think that those of us that stay home won't take up for ourselves you are dead wrong.
 
No one stated stay at home parents are entitled to nothing but some plan other than ever ending alimony is needed in the case if divorce.

And what sort of plan would you suggest? The common consensus right now is that the best way to remain employable is not to have any gaps in employment history. Discrimination based on age and gender aren't "okay" but we all know they are still prevalent, even minimum wage employers are checking credit scores, and it hard for new grads and laid off workers with recent experience to find anything. What sort of alternative to alimony do you see as realistic for a divorcing spouse who has been out of the workforce for an extended period of time?
 
And what sort of plan would you suggest? The common consensus right now is that the best way to remain employable is not to have any gaps in employment history. Discrimination based on age and gender aren't "okay" but we all know they are still prevalent, even minimum wage employers are checking credit scores, and it hard for new grads and laid off workers with recent experience to find anything. What sort of alternative to alimony do you see as realistic for a divorcing spouse who has been out of the workforce for an extended period of time?


The obvious plan if one finds themselves in need if money would be to find a job.
In the time it takes to do that alimony should be awarded for a set period if time.

Now, one may have to take a very non glamorous job, but if you need money, you do what has to be done.
 
SLP958 said:
This thread is way off track.

The topic was alimony.

It is totally understood that some families decide for one parent to stay home while the family unit is intact.

If a divorce takes place, would most want to continue paying to support their ex spouse while they stayed home? I can not imagine they would.

Yeah you're right. But here is the conundrum. Usually the stay at home parent has primary physical custody of the kids, and certainly not less than 50% custody. The saying among divorce lawyers -- The noncustodial parent wants his kids to ride around in a brand new SUV but wants his ex to drive an old wreck. The kids should live in a palace but the ex in a hovel. The truth is if you want the children to live comfortably the custodial parent must be financially secure.

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And what you may want is often far different than what you are required to do.

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The obvious plan if one finds themselves in need if money would be to find a job.
In the time it takes to do that alimony should be awarded for a set period if time.

Now, one may have to take a very non glamorous job, but if you need money, you do what has to be done.
In what way is it fair for a the spouse who stayed home (say 20 years) to lose support because he or she is willing to take a likely dead end minimum wage job? If that spouse had worked outside the home during the marriage, he or she would be making a lot more. Why should the spouse who stays home take all the economic risk while the spouse who works outside the home gets all the benefit of their work? Both people in the marriage should take responsibility for the choices they made, and to me, that means the one who worked outside the marriage should acknowledge and pay for how that choice affected the other spouse's income potential.

I think there is still a place for alimony. I was a legal secretary several years ago and it was not uncommon (in Oregon) to see alimony--both temporary and in cases of long marriages, permanent.
 





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