Should 2nd graders be taught

RitaZ. said:
Too much information, especially regarding events and things that we have zero control over, just leads to anxiety and fear. Childhood is short and precious, kids are bombarded with topics they really shouldn't know about as it is. I think it's unnecessary and detrimental to go into an in depth discussion with a 2nd grader about tragic and horrific events. I'm not saying that's what the teacher did.

It's not about keeping kids in a bubble, it's about taking their age and emotional maturity into account. If they hear about it from their friends or if it's something that they should know about (like sexual predators), they may bring it up or we may. We attempt to discuss it in non-threatening way while taking their emotional maturity into account. I don't see the need to discuss Waco, I really don't. :confused3

When my son's 3rd grade teacher took it upon herself to disclose "the truth" about Columbine to the class, my son was terrified that he would be shot in school. It took a lot of reassuring from us that he was safe at school. That's how kids interpret scary information, they internalize it. JMO.

Rita, You said it perfectly. One needs to ask themselves, how will it benefit my child to know that a building with children in it was set on fire and everyone was killed? How will it benefit my child knowing that terrorists deliberately killed more than 3000 people? Certainly, these things should be addressed by parents if the issue comes up but for a teacher to prepare and teach this curricullum to 2nd graders is nothing more than bizarre. It only serves to make a child feel even more vunerable and unsafe. Its time we start seeing children as children and not just short adults.
 
Hannathy said:
RitaZ how does your son handle intruder drills at school all these years if he was that upset in third grade.

I think there is much more fear and anxiety when children don't have all the facts and begin to imagine things rather than being told factually and honestly.


I can't answer for Rita but when I lived at a "potential target" during the Cuban Missile Crisis, we were a bit unnerved about having to "duck and cover" during air raid drills. Fortunately our teachers didn't tell us that a nuclear war head aimed at Pratt and Whitney Aircraft would vaporize us and reassured us that we would be safe in the hall from broken glass. That was bad enough as a sixth grader.
 
Hannathy said:
RitaZ how does your son handle intruder drills at school all these years if he was that upset in third grade.


You missed the point of my post. We don't have to agree, that's fine with me.
 
DawnCt1 said:
Rita, You said it perfectly. One needs to ask themselves, how will it benefit my child to know that a building with children in it was set on fire and everyone was killed? How will it benefit my child knowing that terrorists deliberately killed more than 3000 people? Certainly, these things should be addressed by parents if the issue comes up but for a teacher to prepare and teach this curricullum to 2nd graders is nothing more than bizarre. It only serves to make a child feel even more vunerable and unsafe. Its time we start seeing children as children and not just short adults.

She did ask me if children were killed. I told her that I was not prepared to talk to her about it at that moment, and that I would need to read up more about it.
Honestly, it just threw me for a loop. :confused3
 

For a school age child to not know anything about WTC 911 they would have to be living in a bubble. Many children may even have loved ones fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan. As much as the war on terror, 911 etc. are talked about I can see where this might come up in discussion in the classroom even in the 2nd grade. I'm not so sure about Waco though. Also my dad was in Viet Nam when I was in the 1st grade and my mom was not truthful with me. She told me he was in South East Asia. Even though my mom would turn the t.v.off when they discussed the war I had still picked up on some of it. In the Dr.office I had seen pictures on the cover of magazines and I knew there was a war but had no idea my dad was there, until a friends mom took a funny picture of me and said here you can send this to your dad in Viet Nam.
 
Hannathy said:
I think there is much more fear and anxiety when children don't have all the facts and begin to imagine things rather than being told factually and honestly.


In the case of Columbine, how could a young child imagine anything worse than what actually went on. If Columbine were a movie it would be rated R.
Why would a rate R movie being introduced into the curriculum? There must be reassuring ways to tell children the purpose of a lock down without giving them the details of marauding teenagers with guns. Even the flight attendants tell you about your seat floatation device by prefacing it with: "In case of a water landing...."
 
My DD 10 doesn't know anything about 9/11 and I'm happy to keep it that way as long as possible. DS, on the other hand, was with me watching television that day, so he remembers first hand. I think only the parent can really know how much information their child can handle about something like that. My DD would be scared to death. Hopefully the schools won't go into it until she's in middle school.
 
Michie -- many hugs to you -- I know you must be going through a lot --

I remember askinig about JFK in school and everyone changed the subject and the vietnam war -- :confused3

We were at Disney on vacation the week of Sept 11th -- my DD was 3 at the time -- the maid at the CBR had the news on the TV when we returned -- we explained to our DD that mean ppl did that -- on her level -- as she has gotten older we answer any questions that she may have(from the media on TV) -- it is hard
 
Michie said:
She did ask me if children were killed. I told her that I was not prepared to talk to her about it at that moment, and that I would need to read up more about it.
Honestly, it just threw me for a loop. :confused3

That's ok, it's a natural question. I have had some unexpected questions from my kids that I was totally unprepared for and had to do some "research". :bitelip: I think that was a good answer to your DD while you decide how to handle it. Your DD may be concerned for the children, for herself or she just wants to know. One thing I've learned from my kids is that they usually want to know less than I think they do. Just let her questions and reaction be your guide. Good luck!
 
RitaZ. said:
Too much information, especially regarding events and things that we have zero control over, just leads to anxiety and fear. Childhood is short and precious, kids are bombarded with topics they really shouldn't know about as it is. I think it's unnecessary and detrimental to go into an in depth discussion with a 2nd grader about tragic and horrific events. I'm not saying that's what the teacher did.

It's not about keeping kids in a bubble, it's about taking their age and emotional maturity into account. If they hear about it from their friends or if it's something that they should know about (like sexual predators), they may bring it up or we may. We attempt to discuss it in non-threatening way while taking their emotional maturity into account. I don't see the need to discuss Waco, I really don't. :confused3

When my son's 3rd grade teacher took it upon herself to disclose "the truth" about Columbine to the class, my son was terrified that he would be shot in school. It took a lot of reassuring from us that he was safe at school. That's how kids interpret scary information, they internalize it. JMO.


of course there can be to much graphic information, you missed what i said. answer the questions that are asked by a child in a simple way, that is usually enough but, if they ask for more info after that, then you need to be able to explain further to them. you have to let them lead it. but it should be discussed. at different levels as the years go on. the worst thing to tell a child is you don't need to know about that. that hurts their esteem and scares them more.
we talk to our children about not talking to strangers, and not going up to cars etc. well this is in a small way the same as a terrosist, because it is a terrosist to our children. if it is explained correctly then they can handle it.

my son understands the importance of his school's safety drills (not just simple "fun" fire drills like i had growing up). and what the reasons are that they have to practice it, and what to do if it was real. my son is not scared after they have these because we have discussed with him why they must occur, and what has gone on in the world to cause them to be needed. this way when it comes time to do them or a discussion comes up he is prepared and not only won't be worried but, can join in and be part of the conversation. talking about columbine and the other school shootings that have happend with my son, gave us a whole new area of topics to lead to. what to do if you suspect something bad might happen, what to do if you hear someone making bad plans. what to do if a friend seems really sad, or says horrible things he might do. every thing is a chance to educate.

if a child asks me at school i give a very brief explanation, and i answer all their questions, and i say that is a good topic to talk to mom and/or dad about tonight. then i let a higher school member know what was asked, how i handled it, and what should be done to make this topic part of the plan. we have a wonderful social and behavioral program that usually handle these issues. it might mean we have a meeting on how to procede. but if kids are asking, we will be explaining to them in groups. cause if one is talking, more are whispering about it. and it is better to teach then to ignore.

your child might internalize scary information but not all do, mine doesn't, and most wouldn't if they had been talked to about these issues that will in some round about way affect them. and it will be easier to handle when they do hear them. at least it won't be first hand news.

it is a hard time in the world to be a parent because, we are having to have talks with our children that are not the normal ones we thought we would be having. puberty, sex, bedtimes, bad/touches good/touches, rules....yet we still have to have all these besides.

we have a different level of explaining these issues depending on what grade we are dealing with , and we also have 2 specialist that come in on each subject to lend a hand.

i don't feel it is WHEN we talk about these issues, it is HOW we talk about them.
 
I have to agree with RitaZ and DawnCt.

Sometimes these topics are indeed a necessity, because they are indeed 'happening' and are a very current event from which there is no escape. Otherwise, I see conducting this type of activity/discussion with early elementary aged kids at school as misguided at best, and detrimental at worst.

I was never bombarded with all the terrible stuff when I was in early-elementary... Not that I remember at all... I do not feel 'deprived'.
 

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