Shanghai DL already trashed....

[ChipnDale79]

Unfortunately they don't seem to see it that way.

These guys are smart, very smart. They probably do see it that way, but the one's making the decisions currently, short term benefits them greatly while long term doesn't really do anything for them.

It's about the bonuses and golden parachutes.

 

[rteetz]

These guys are smart, very smart. They probably do see it that way, but the one's making the decisions currently, short term benefits them greatly while long term doesn't really do anything for them.

It's about the bonuses and golden parachutes.

Well said and exactly right.

 

[gmboy95]

has anyone seen this?!!

http://shanghaiist.com/2016/05/03/shanghai_disneyland_trashed_before_opening.php

The outside of the park already trashed before it's even open!!

what frustrates me about this is the amount of folks that seem to excuse other cost saving disney moves by simply siting Shanghai???.

 

[gmboy95]

So, $59/day.

While we pay ridiculous increases.

I'm really tired of the increases, sometimes twice a year. However, we bought dvc 5 years ago, so we are sort of committed until kids are no longer interested. Hard bc they are still little at 2 and 6.

as 16 year owners...after the next few years when the kids are out of the house, we will be making plenty of "no pass-resort only" trips

 

[Kona65]

My wife almost literally ran across someone's defecation in a Wal-Mart once... Interestingly, it was in the toilet paper aisle. I guess they just couldn't make it the 30 yards to the store bathroom...

Sounds like someone was leaving a message for Wal-mart.

 

[Pemeberly]

This has always been my fear of Shanghai. I've read a lot of pieces about how spitting in the streets/gross toilets/etc is a real problem in China, and while I've never experience it first hand, this post seems to support that observation.

But I'm trying to reserve judgement until the park opens. What happens up front when there's no staff and no admission (hopefully) isn't indicative of the in-park experience.

 

[Huff]

I've seen bad trash at WDW in some areas. Worst was in line at Space Mountain. There is a stretch in the line where there is a gap of a couple feet between the rail and the wall. Considerable amounts of trash was in this gap on multiple visits. Lots of discarded drink cups and 1/2 eaten food items. I find people at the parks are rather messy tossing trash throughout the park. However, usually Disney is very quick at picking it up.

 

[justakrazymom]

Nice editorial, but also untrue. As a factor of disposable income middle class families are more capable of visiting Disney. They may not be participating in the extras or staying at Contemporary, but by and large by any definition of middle class, disposable income, and cost of a day at Disney more % of Americans can afford it today than when each of the parks opened.

We are probably lower "middle class" and we can def go simply because IMO Disney allows you to put your trip on layaway..book now pay every week..go to Disney..

 

[kbelle8995]

as 16 year owners...after the next few years when the kids are out of the house, we will be making plenty of "no pass-resort only" trips

Not really a bad way to go when you think about it. Relaxing at a resort instead in a crowded park. HMMM.

 

[dsimon9318]

This has always been my fear of Shanghai. I've read a lot of pieces about how spitting in the streets/gross toilets/etc is a real problem in China, and while I've never experience it first hand, this post seems to support that observation.

But I'm trying to reserve judgement until the park opens. What happens up front when there's no staff and no admission (hopefully) isn't indicative of the in-park experience.

Ive heard there are similar problems in many parts of Asia, especially India.

 

[sheetz]

I don't think the Shanghai ticket prices are inappropriate. 1-day ticket prices at the US parks are inflated to encourage you to buy multi-day tickets and APs. It appears Shanghai only sells up to 2-day admission, and they have no AP program as of yet.

And I'm sure operating costs are much cheaper there compared to the US. The workers are probably being paid slave wages.

 

[Legendofthehawk]

I think the reason why they choice Shanghai is simply because the Chinese tourism industry is HUGE. When we lived there, there were a few times in a year that almost everyone would be off on a month break. An entire MONTH. Traveling is expected (people go to their hometowns/vacation), but it is horrendous. There is a good portion of their tourism that they loose to different countries.. such as Thailand and even Japan. Tourism to HK is not being promoted, or at least, wasn't really in the past year. Since the umbrella movement and wanting to elect their own officals, its more of an eye sore.. where the goverment was being extremely stingy with wanting to give out passes to get from mainland china to hong kong to start with. So, it makes sense that they want to control some kind of Chinese based revenue, with a force that has only grown.

I really feel they would have been better to build in Singapore. It's very clean. They have strict laws on litter and decency.. plus, It's got Universal studios! But alas.. it lost out, because it's not.. China and it's not as of a hot spot at Shanghai.


The other thing.. I've seen the relieving themselves in the streets. Almost always with children. It is not only the cost of diapers that this is the thought to circumvent (children's pants are split down the middle for THIS purpose), but early training. The reason why it is not done in the restroom is not because they are pay or they aren't available (I've never seen a pay toliet the entire time I lived/traveled there.. and we lived in non-westernized area).. but because most of the time, there isn't thought to be enough room. Toilets are basically holes in the ground with spaces to put your feet. You can fit two people in there, but it's tight.

The littering thing also seems to be very cultural. In the town we lived, people had no problem tossing trash out into the street.. not even making it into the garbage can. Why? Because there was always someone there to clean up after them.

I have no explanation for the graffiti, though that is also a common problem with tourist. Not to long ago there was a story about a Chinese tourist that had defaced a pyramid in Egypt much the same way..


One of the major things I worry about is the swormage.. .. Really, getting into a line and waiting one's turn is not a thing over there. People will often push and shove infront with their money to jockey for position to be first. . Makes me slightly afraid for the CM's.

 

[AquamarineSteph]

I've seen this about Chinese tourism

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/world/europe/chinese-police-rome-italy.html?_r=0

which makes me wonder why ticket prices for Disney's Chinese theme park would be lower than what someone would pay to visit Europe or the US.

I also came across this

http://www.whatsonweibo.com/too-lou...roduces-separate-trains-for-chinese-tourists/

I wouldn't want to portray an entire culture based on those two articles and/or stereotypes, but such articles make me question how much money Chinese tourists do have to spend when they vacation. As an American, I'm a little ticked that other countries can visit their local Disney theme park for so much less than what we can pay to have a similar experience. Of course, my opinion doesn't matter, but I'm just saying from a PR standpoint - it doesn't serve Disney well here in the States.

 

[Eoghann]

Yes, but you're also talking about a brand new park vs a 45 year old park...one might think the newness would bring a premium, not a large discount...

Arguably the reverse because Disney themeparks are not the "brand" in China that they are here in the US.

First you build the brand then you ramp up the prices. Just like they did here.

 

[betrent75]

sounds like europe (without the trash). we lived there for 6 years and DLP didn't have anyone to mind the queue, and the cm's were part of that culture so it was just an accepted practice to rush the gate, the ride, or the counter for QS. We were considering a visit to SDL this year but now i'm thinking HKDL? sounds like it might be more civilized?

 

[rteetz]

sounds like europe (without the trash). we lived there for 6 years and DLP didn't have anyone to mind the queue, and the cm's were part of that culture so it was just an accepted practice to rush the gate, the ride, or the counter for QS. We were considering a visit to SDL this year but now i'm thinking HKDL? sounds like it might be more civilized?

I think within the first year SDL will be fine.

 

[betrent75]

you're right, they will be fine. it's growing pains. i'm excited to see that part of the world for the first time. this seems culturally fascinating.

 

[ChrisFL]

sounds like europe (without the trash). we lived there for 6 years and DLP didn't have anyone to mind the queue, and the cm's were part of that culture so it was just an accepted practice to rush the gate, the ride, or the counter for QS. We were considering a visit to SDL this year but now i'm thinking HKDL? sounds like it might be more civilized?

I'd go to Japan, though HK is nice too.

 

[wilkeliza]

Interesting that they mentioned on the Disneyland podcast that now Disney Shanghai is putting out edict while visiting the park pamphlets. Hopefully those help.

 

[betrent75]

I'd go to Japan, though HK is nice too.

I'll be in South Korea in the fall. I was initially going to go to HKDL then thought maybe SDL until I saw this. We'll be making it a side trip so maybe HK or Japan. Thanks for the input! I'll start looking into Japan now too!