SDFP: CHANGES COMING!! Beware the 7th of June?!

[Lisa F]

Now you can just use CPFP to move them over to your own account and use them legally!

This may have been addressed before so don't kill me but is it possible to have FP+ for the same rides using this method?

like say I have access to multiple ticketed accounts. Can I technically book 7DMT in my own account, and in both of the other accounts... use my 3 FP+ and then transfer another 7DMT and then a third 7DMT? Or can you only book 4th + FP for rides you have not already ridden? I thought the latter was the case.

 

[fan1080]

Disney's next step...

Not allow CPFP from ticket media that wan't used to enter a park, the day the FP+ is scheduled. Allow all the changes needed prior to the day of the scheduled FP+, but none on the day of said FP+, unless both bands have been used to enter a park.

Go Disney go! Lov'n these updates.

 

[GrnMtnMan]

Seems like minutia at that point though and maybe not worth the level of complexity for what is now a much much smaller problem.

Hopefully. And the donors for CPFP have valid tickets attached to MDE, so there's no lost revenue, whereas ticket-less SDFP users took up FP slots without any ticket revenue (not a judgment, just an observation).

 

[marciemi]

why would anyone make a FP+ on a ticketed band at a kiosk when you can make it on the app even more easily (and in advance)?

The real question is not whether you can make them, since you don't need the kisosk to make them. The question is whether you can USE them, either directly or by transferring to someone who has used their ticket for admission that day.

Can a ticketed band which WASN'T used for admission at the front entrance that day still make SDFP reservations at a kiosk? Or don't we know yet?

IE. Say I go to the park myself solo using my admission. I have 3 fastpasses pre-booked on my MDE account. My dad's ticketed band is in my pocket. Can I enter the park and use my dad's ticketed band at a kiosk to make 3 more reservations? Has this been tested yet?

I realize I could theoretically pre-book 3 more passes on my dad's ticketed band using MDE in advance, and then use CPFP to move them onto my account the day of, but for the sake of argument, ignore that fact for the moment.

Ohhhh. I finally get why we're asking this (because of TOS). I was totally agreeing with Lisa's train of thought but these are the three methods I see:

1. Use my own 3 FPP. Prebook 3 FPP on one of my kids' AP's. Use Change Party to use those 3 after using mine. Legal and works as far as we know (and I'll test this the next time I'm in a park but may not be today but think we'll get reports soon that this works fine).
2. Use my own 3 FPP. Prebook 3 FPP on one of my kids' AP's during the same time window and use their bands at the attraction. This is against TOS but if it worked would allow multiple FP in the same time window. I am not willing to test this and lock my account since I only have one MDE and can't/don't want to move family AP's.
3. Use my own 3 FPP. Book 3 FPP at a kiosk on one of my kids' AP's. This technically wouldn't violate TOS (as far as we know so far), but also would risk locking the account. I also would prefer not to test this but someone with a dummy MDE could more easily without that much risk it it's just an extra ticket.

 

[CMNJ]

One other thing we don't know (unless I missed it being discussed this am) is if this update will also eliminate NBFP. Once the active ticket is removed from the profile will FP still remain for a day (or longer) like it previously did? Will it be able to CPFP?

 

[GrnMtnMan]

Not allow CPFP from ticket media that wan't used to enter a park, the day the FP+ is scheduled. Allow all the changes needed prior to the day of the scheduled FP+, but none on the day of said FP+, unless both bands have been used to enter a park.

Cuz people always have many hours notice when plans are disrupted. My kids just had an LED warning indicator installed on their heads letting us know they will be puking the next day. Its part of IOS 12!!!

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Can a ticketed band which WASN'T used for admission at the front entrance that day still make SDFP reservations at a kiosk? Or don't we know yet?

I've only been to Disney twice since magicbands, but I thought this never worked. Was this just an assumption, or did it not work and then it changed?

 

[ScrapYap]

So (forgive me, these reports are getting hard to sift through)...

Unticketed phantom bands are a dead issue. That much is clear.

Can a ticketed band which WASN'T used for admission at the front entrance that day still make SDFP reservations at a kiosk? Or don't we know yet?

IE. Say I go to the park myself solo using my admission. I have 3 fastpasses pre-booked on my MDE account. My dad's ticketed band is in my pocket. Can I enter the park and use my dad's ticketed band at a kiosk to make 3 more reservations? Has this been tested yet?

I realize I could theoretically pre-book 3 more passes on my dad's ticketed band using MDE in advance, and then use CPFP to move them onto my account the day of, but for the sake of argument, ignore that fact for the moment.

The top of the first page of the post has updates as they come in - so no need to sift.

We're waiting on reports on use of prebooked FP on bands not used for park entry. We're expecting blue Mickey.

 

[marciemi]

I've only been to Disney twice since magicbands, but I thought this never worked. Was this just an assumption, or did it not work and then it changed?

This worked as recently as yesterday when I tested it.

 

[Lisa F]

Hopefully. And the donors for CPFP have valid tickets attached to MDE, so there's no lost revenue, whereas ticket-less SDFP users took up FP slots without any ticket revenue (not a judgment, just an observation).

Yes.

I don't think Disney has any kind of moral compass about this stuff like some people would like to believe... it's not about "doing the right thing" so that people who are on the moral high ground are satisfied. It's about maximizing profit, pure and simple.

with the old SDFP system people were getting something for nothing, and Disney was not profiting.
Also with the unofficial tour guide situation, people are profiting off of Disney by directly competing with VIP tours, and Disney is losing money.

Both of those situations are unacceptable to a corporation, so it is worth the cost expended to shut them down (it is not free for Disney to reprogram things in this way so the cost must be justified). I'm guessing the cost would not be justified to reprogram the CPFP system... because they are making money by people buying tickets in advance so they would lose that revenue and it would cost them money to change something that is now not a huge problem for them.

I expect if they roll out some sort of premium FP+ system where you can purchase additional FP+ they might shut down CPFP when the donor has not entered with their ticket because at that point it would be direct competition for their own product and might be able to amortize some overhead while implementing a new system for selling additional FP+.

But maybe not. I just think it is a mistake to believe that Disney is driven by your perceived morals (generic "you") and not $$.

 

[ScrapYap]

Cuz people always have many hours notice when plans are disrupted. My kids just had an LED warning indicator installed on their heads letting us know they will be puking the next day. Its part of IOS 12!!!

Yes, it won't just be facial recognition! It will be medical assessments. You could be turned away at the turnstiles at 9:00 a.m. because Disney sees you'll be driving the porcelain bus at 10:00 a.m.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

This worked as recently as yesterday when I tested it.

I think I might be thinking of the paper FP's.

 

[fan1080]

Cuz people always have many hours notice when plans are disrupted. My kids just had an LED warning indicator installed on their heads letting us know they will be puking the next day. Its part of IOS 12!!!

Your enjoyment of the parks due to last minute disruptions will in no way be impacted if you can't transfer FP+ from a band that wasn't used to enter a park.

Happy travels.

 

[Lisa F]

The top of the first page of the post has updates as they come in - so no need to sift.

We're waiting on reports on use of prebooked FP on bands not used for park entry. We're expecting blue Mickey.

this seems to make the most sense. Also how many times you can attempt before you get your account locked. though why anyone would keep trying is beyond me if it doesn't work (except as a test of course, but once it is known that it doesn't work why would someone attempt it 3 times in a row? hoping the CM will take pity on them and wave them through anyway?)

 

[marciemi]

I think I might be thinking of the paper FP's.

Yeah, it only worked for the paper ones very, very early in the process. I know we were able to do it in Dec. 2000 shortly after they first rolled it out but believe they closed that loophole within a month or so after that. I know for certain it didn't work by our next trip in 2005.

 

[marciemi]

hoping the CM will take pity on them and wave them through anyway?)

Since in my experience, that is exactly what the CM will do 90% of the time, I guess this could make sense. Seriously, we rode Na'vi with a FP on Sunday and the CM quote exactly for the party in front of us was "2 of you have FP and two of you don't. That's okay" as she waved them in.

 

[Dean1953]

I could have saved myself a trip to MK this morning by reading this thread first. At least, i dont have to carry 5 extra MB's anymore. I dont see any need to have a seconary MDE account anymore. Would you suggest that i go by guest relations and eithwr combine them or at least ask them to move the ticket off of the one in my secondary MDE account to a friend on my primary MDE Ccount. It is a 10 day ticket for a child, so i would have to change the profile of one friend to accommodate the ticket.

 

[DaisyJ]

I've only been to Disney twice since magicbands, but I thought this never worked. Was this just an assumption, or did it not work and then it changed?

It worked and was changed as of today. That is what all almost 3000 posts are about in this thread.

 

[Dean1953]

Ill find out tonight at MK if the transfer method works. If someone could post their experience, that would be great!

 

[ScrapYap]

this seems to make the most sense. Also how many times you can attempt before you get your account locked. though why anyone would keep trying is beyond me if it doesn't work (except as a test of course, but once it is known that it doesn't work why would someone attempt it 3 times in a row? hoping the CM will take pity on them and wave them through anyway?)

Disney knows that CMs will do a lot of wave-throughs. A possible lockout would scare guests off and prevent the wave-throughs. Some element of the lockout threat has to be bluff, though. Just the prospect of it had us scrambling here to make sure everyone heard about it. And the threat is preventing people from testing today. No one wants to get locked out. But for all we know, you'd have to try 20 times before they actually locked you out. (Unofficial tour guides might do it that many times - or regular guests who knew they would get waved through most of the time.)