SDFP: CHANGES COMING!! Beware the 7th of June?!

[hiroMYhero]

Hmm good point about the APs. I have two non-expiring tickets still linked in MDE. I may just have to hold onto them.

When I've had Comp Tickets listed in my MDE, but used at DLR, they were removed from my MDE when they expired.

It would be less expensive to always keep your non-expiring tickets in your account rather than always having to upgrade an expiring ticket.

Of course, we do need to wait to see what happens with the tweaking that's set to occur.

 

[ScrapYap]

I will be shocked if SDFP is still avail after this change on unticketed media/cards/bands...but it just might! Unless someone here is actually in the IT dept (could happen) and know for sure. It seems like it is practical solution to the same plague on early paper FP when your bank card, grocery card, etc allowed you to get a FP. If the paper FP knew there was a ticket attached, it seems weird to me that if they are making this change and not going to at least do the same. I will be interested to see the change reports in a week!

There were no kiosks then.

Kiosks will continue issuing SDFP at least for the next few months, if not longer. The FP entry kiosks are the doorkeepers.

 

[ScrapYap]

So the general idea is that Disney has figured out how to recognize a fp that wasn't attached to a ticket that was used to enter the park that day. And they will stop you at the fp touchpost. But am I correct that you think that the in park kiosk will still give fps to bands and cards that don't have tickets, even after June 6th? If they don't want you to use fp's that aren't associated to tickets that were used to enter the park then why would they still issue same day fast passes to ticketless bands at the in park kiosk?

Yes. They'll need more time to get ticket-checking doorkeepers set up at the kiosks. They probably think there aren't a lot of guests who will bother with CPFP -- which are not nearly as convenient as SDFP. We're all about to find out how much trouble guests will go to. And eventually kiosks will stop issuing SDFP, but not immediately.

 

[ScrapYap]

So say I purchased mb, and I had them linked to phantom names on a dummy made account without tickets. If I connected these names via friends snd family to my primary made account, wouldn't I be able to use those dummy bands to make sdfp at a kiosk and then transfer them via friends and family to the primary names? Hypothetically speaking

That's not hypothetical. That's a definition of CPFP. The donors for the Change Party can be either ticketed profiles prebooked 60 days out or non-ticketed bands used for SDFP at kiosk (all profiles co-existing on the same MDE as either managed profiles or friends). The latter version, however (which you describe) may only continue for a matter of months.

 

[mercydisney]

As I was reading your post I had to scroll to the end because I was really hoping that you have written a trip report so that I could start reading it!!
You are a great writer!!!

 

[Lisa F]

So the general idea is that Disney has figured out how to recognize a fp that wasn't attached to a ticket that was used to enter the park that day. And they will stop you at the fp touchpost. But am I correct that you think that the in park kiosk will still give fps to bands and cards that don't have tickets, even after June 6th? If they don't want you to use fp's that aren't associated to tickets that were used to enter the park then why would they still issue same day fast passes to ticketless bands at the in park kiosk?

Hi, nice to see you!

I was wondering this myself. My only guess is that it is more complicated/expensive to do it at the kiosks right now than to program the FP touchpoints to lock the account if it is attempted to be used there... and they are doing this first to see if it cuts back usage enough that they don't have to stop the making of SDFP at the kiosks because it will become too complicated for people to use them (between having to transfer them AND having to use them after rather than concurrently with prebooked FPs... I know I most often used them to overlap FP+ in a given area).

 

[Lisa F]

does anyone know if the ticket media type has to match to transfer FP+? if a friend of mine has two adult profiles with adult linked tickets and was willing to prebook FP+ for me that I could then transfer one at a time would it be a problem to transfer from an adult ticket to a kid ticket?

 

[otterpop]

Does anyone know or have any theories as to why these "loopholes" even exist (if you want to call them that or maybe, for all we know, Disney put these options into place for some reason)? I'm not an IT person, but you would think it would be very easy to set restrictions such that only ticketed profiles can get FP's and then use those FP's. The transfer (Change Party) option is a convenience for users, but not a necessity...

My guess (again, I'm not an IT person) is that the ticket scanners, kiosks, FP scanners, online system, etc are all using different platforms/systems/software and the problem is trying to get all of these different components to successfully communicate with one another.

Honestly, call me whatever, but figuring out all these ways to use/get FP's, is part of the fun of planning a trip...just like which park to go to on which day, where to eat, etc...I'm guessing that those of us who use SDFP or plan(ned) to are one of two people; huge planners or spur of the moment types...

 

[hiroMYhero]

does anyone know if the ticket media type has to match to transfer FP+? if a friend of mine has two adult profiles with adult linked tickets and was willing to prebook FP+ for me that I could then transfer one at a time would it be a problem to transfer from an adult ticket to a kid ticket?

When you're in the Change Party function of FP in MDE, it has nothing to do with tickets. It's just the movement of the FP entitlements.

 

[Lesley Wake]

Does anyone know or have any theories as to why these "loopholes" even exist (if you want to call them that or maybe, for all we know, Disney put these options into place for some reason)? I'm not an IT person, but you would think it would be very easy to set restrictions such that only ticketed profiles can get FP's and then use those FP's. The transfer (Change Party) option is a convenience for users, but not a necessity...

My guess (again, I'm not an IT person) is that the ticket scanners, kiosks, FP scanners, online system, etc are all using different platforms/systems/software and the problem is trying to get all of these different components to successfully communicate with one another.

Honestly, call me whatever, but figuring out all these ways to use/get FP's, is part of the fun of planning a trip...just like which park to go to on which day, where to eat, etc...I'm guessing that those of us who use SDFP or plan(ned) to are one of two people; huge planners or spur of the moment types...

Because when they originally made the system they were going for simplicity. Rather than put in a complicated software checking for valid tickets which could have constant bugs, they put in a simple system with loopholes. The IT guys may not have even realized the extent of those loopholes when they first made the software, but all it takes in a guest testing it and getting the word out to other guests for them to start taking advantage of it. Then when it starts to become a problem, they go back and change the software system to eliminate that loophole; of course others will be found, but as the CPFP shows, it will be much more complicated and not everyone will bother to take advantage of it.

Scrapyap also mentioned this was a marriage of admission and FP systems. Before they were probably completely independent, with both just linking to your MDE. So the ticket would allow you entry and allow you to prebook FPs, but didn't care what you did with those FPs afterwards. This is a consolidation of the systems.

 

[wareagle57]

There were no kiosks then.

Kiosks will continue issuing SDFP at least for the next few months, if not longer. The FP entry kiosks are the doorkeepers.

So at this time, is it believed that as long as you link your phantoms to your friends and family list, they will still work for SDFP? Sorry, it's a little confusing following what is going on.

 

[DatFan]

So the general idea is that Disney has figured out how to recognize a fp that wasn't attached to a ticket that was used to enter the park that day. And they will stop you at the fp touchpost. But am I correct that you think that the in park kiosk will still give fps to bands and cards that don't have tickets, even after June 6th? If they don't want you to use fp's that aren't associated to tickets that were used to enter the park then why would they still issue same day fast passes to ticketless bands at the in park kiosk?

I agree. If these changes do happen the only way to gain add'l fp's will probably be the CPFP with tkts attached, all linked to the main MDE. The option of using just one tkt for the phantoms then reassigning tkt after (NBFP) are made will still(hopefully) work.

 

[ArielSRL]

This is totally speculative on my part but making the changes effective at the touch points takes care of both SDFP and GLFP (wasn't that the acronym for the pre-booked)...so two birds with one stone. So while the kiosks might be on their list, this is a fix that took care of two loopholes at once. Makes more sense to do it first.

 

[hiroMYhero]

So at this time, is it believed that as long as you link your phantoms to your friends and family list, they will still work for SDFP? Sorry, it's a little confusing following what is going on.

That's the premise: SDFP convert to CPFP then enter a FP line. But, watch the thread closely as no one, other than Disney folks, know to what extent the FP system will be altered.

 

[ArielSRL]

So at this time, is it believed that as long as you link your phantoms to your friends and family list, they will still work for SDFP? Sorry, it's a little confusing following what is going on.

The belief is that around June 6, you most likely will still be able to make SDFP with rogue bands but they will not work at the touch points at the rides. To take advantage of the SDFP you book, you will have to transfer them to profiles with tickets attached that were used to enter the park. Therefore you have to use your original 3 first and the SDFP can only be transferred over one at a time, then used, before transferring another, and so on and so forth.

 

[wareagle57]

The belief is that around June 6, you most likely will still be able to make SDFP with rogue bands but they will not work at the touch points at the rides. To take advantage of the SDFP you book, you will have to transfer them to profiles with tickets attached that were used to enter the park. Therefore you have to use your original 3 first and the SDFP can only be transferred over one at a time, then used, before transferring another, and so on and so forth.

Ah, so basically it would only be useful for securing SDFP early in the day before they are gone. So you can continue to use your pre-booked FP, then once those are gone you can transfer (somehow? is that covered on the first post?) your first FP over to your main account and repeat the process.


*edit* I see that the first post has been updated with how to do this. I apologize.

So it sounds like this will only work with ticketed phantoms?

 

[bwbuddy5]

So, I'm thinking I'll only book one early Tier 1 FP+, on my ticketed MB, and then book three CPFPs on my phantom (including another tier 1), and then do the first change immediately after using my main MB tier 1. I realize I'm down to four FPs, but at least it includes two tier 1s. Comprende?

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

So, I'm thinking I'll only book one early Tier 1 FP+, on my ticketed MB, and then book three CPFPs on my phantom (including another tier 1), and then do the first change immediately after using my main MB tier 1. I realize I'm down to four FPs, but at least it includes two tier 1s. Comprende?

I believe if you do this you will have to book and use Tier 1, transfer and use Tier 2's, then transfer second tier 1.

 

[hiroMYhero]

So, I'm thinking I'll only book one early Tier 1 FP+, on my ticketed MB, and then book three CPFPs on my phantom (including another tier 1), and then do the first change immediately after using my main MB tier 1. I realize I'm down to four FPs, but at least it includes two tier 1s. Comprende?

You may as well begin with 3 on your Main and 3 on your Donor CPFP.

Allow 2 early Tier2s to expire, use Tier 1 and then immediately transfer the CPFP Tier1.

 

[ScrapYap]

I believe if you do this you will have to book and use Tier 1, transfer and use Tier 2's, then transfer second tier 1.

Not much you don't comprende, Party 4.