SDFP: CHANGES COMING!! Beware the 7th of June?!

[momof2gr8kids]

We're going in January and good friends have offered for us to use their MBs from 2014 for SDFP. Their MBs are linked to their MDE account. From what I'm reading with the changes, using their MB at the kiosks for SDFP does not violate any TOS, correct? Their 2014 MB should work at kiosks for sdfp, correct? And their MDE won't be flagged for any wrong doing and their family banned from Disney forever?? LOL Just want to make sure.

 

[wmjeffer]

We're going in January and good friends have offered for us to use their MBs from 2014 for SDFP. Their MBs are linked to their MDE account. From what I'm reading with the changes, using their MB at the kiosks for SDFP does not violate any TOS, correct? Their 2014 MB should work at kiosks for sdfp, correct? And their MDE won't be flagged for any wrong doing and their family banned from Disney forever?? LOL Just want to make sure.

The kiosks have no TOS, so it's fine Their MB's will work for SDFP. The worst that could happen is that the loophole is closed before January, but, according to the knowledgeable people here, it seems unlikely it will happen that quickly. Have fun!

 

[jillyh]

Another thread is saying the bag / body searches have really picked up, and are more thorough than previously. I'm wondering if anybody has had issues bringing an extra set of magic bands in for SDFP use? Supposedly they are having people turn out pockets and checking every compartment of backpacks thoroughly.

 

[hiroMYhero]

Another thread is saying the bag / body searches have really picked up, and are more thorough than previously. I'm wondering if anybody has had issues bringing an extra set of magic bands in for SDFP use? Supposedly they are having people turn out pockets and checking every compartment of backpacks thoroughly.

Some people wear three or four MBs when they enter a park. Some never wear their MBs and leave them in a pocket, purse, or bag.

Security is there to look for something other than a Disney product.

 

[padge24]

We ended up having to cut our vacation short due to Hurricane Matthew but I wanted to let everyone know how SDFP worked for my family of 6. I posted earlier about our success at MK. Overall everything worked great. We had our magic bands, 6 "used" cards and then 6, this year, MNSSHP tickets to utilize. That meant I had 18 different profiles on my MDE, which ended up being a challenge at times. If I had to do it over again I would have created a second MDE and kept the SDFP profiles on one and my primary profiles on another. Then I would utilize the MDE app to manage the primary and open the MDE on a search engine on my phone to be able to view the phantoms. I kept the cards separated by different colored rubber bands and would pass out the appropriate card depending on what FP we were using and this worked really well for us.

Having 18 names on my MDE became a bit of a challenge when I switched my MNSSHP from Thursday to Tuesday (glad I listened to my wife). They didn't question the amount of names but it definitely slowed the process of getting the party night changed. It also created a similar challenge when I asked for 3 day tickets to replace the days we were going to miss due to Hurricane Matthew. Again no issue was raised but it did take longer for the CM to add the comp tickets to the appropriate profiles.

SDFP were a challenge to obtain Tier 1 at Epcot and really proved not as beneficial since most of the Tier 2 were walk on. We were there on Sunday the 2nd of Oct. We ended up showing up late on Wed. to HS since we attended MNSSHP the night prior and were still able to obtain RnR as well as TSMM at about 11:00 am when we finally arrived. AK we were able to obtain additional EE and Safari FP but if you are going to be at the park late in the afternoon both were 15 min. or less waits in standby. MK, with the amount of FP rides, is where you will really benefit from SDFP's. 7DMT was not available but everything else was at around 10:00 am and I always searched for a party of 6.

I did check periodically throughout the day for FEA and 7DMT FP's and was only able to obtain one FEA on our Epcot day. We let our youngest daughter ride alone and she loved it. So I would encourage you to obtain those at the 60 day window if you are able.

With the weather impacting the majority of our trip, SDFP's really helped us maximize our touring plans and we ended up having a great time even though it was cut short.

Thanks again to ScrapYap and hiroMYhero for the education and information as well as others who have posted about their experiences.

 

[anomamatt]

Just wanted to say thanks to all for this awesome thread! I'm doing my first WDW trip in Feb/Mar and will try to do SDFP, assuming it still works in Feb/Mar of next year. This thread is great and very comprehensive -- took some time to read but it's very clear, even to a 1st timer. Thanks!

 

[Boski]

Serious question here, I'm posting this with hope that it stays. I think from my research if you have unlinked bands, as in bands you just bought from wherever you can go the kiosk and get SDFP. Those bands are just hanging out and are not attached to a MDE account. This seems to be where the pro SDFP people say its not a violation(Please note not debating that). But if you have a MDE account attached to your "phantom" bands isn't that a violation of the TOS? Because that isn't the valid theme park admission you entered with.

 

[hiroMYhero]

Serious question here, I'm posting this with hope that it stays. I think from my research if you have unlinked bands, as in bands you just bought from wherever you can go the kiosk and get SDFP. Those bands are just hanging out and are not attached to a MDE account. This seems to be where the pro SDFP people say its not a violation(Please note not debating that). But if you have a MDE account attached to your "phantom" bands isn't that a violation of the TOS? Because that isn't the valid theme park admission you entered with.

No, it's not a violation.

The TOS covers pre-booked FPs in MDE. The only way to pre-book is with linked tickets.

SDFP is not based on linked tickets. It is based on using a kiosk and kiosks operate using a system that is separate from MDE.

From its inception, MDE and the "in park" FP system have operated independently using two different systems. The TOS only applies to the system that is used for pre-booking FPs based on linked tickets.

 

[Boski]

No, it's not a violation.

The TOS covers pre-booked FPs in MDE. The only way to pre-book is with linked tickets.

SDFP is not based on linked tickets. It is based on using a kiosk and kiosks operate using a system that is separate from MDE.

From its inception, MDE and the "in park" FP system have operated independently using two different systems. The TOS only applies to the system that is used for pre-booking FPs based on linked tickets.

But do they really operate independently? If I make 3 prebooked FP+s and go into the park and to a Kiosk where they pull up my magic band its going to show my 3 FPs associated with my band. But I guess the real question is does that blurb in the TOS say it just covers pre-bookable FPs? I read it as all FP+s associated with a MDE account. I understand SDFP isn't associated with linked tickets but if they(the phantom magic bands) are linked to a MDE account that isn't used to enter the park isn't that going against that one point that states "The valid theme park admission associated with your site/App account and used to make FastPass+ selections must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the FastPass+ selections are redeemed"

 

[hiroMYhero]

But do they really operate independently? If I make 3 prebooked FP+s and go into the park and to a Kiosk where they pull up my magic band its going to show my 3 FPs associated with my band. But I guess the real question is does that blurb in the TOS say it just covers pre-bookable FPs? I read it as all FP+s associated with a MDE account. I understand SDFP isn't associated with linked tickets but if they(the phantom magic bands) are linked to a MDE account that isn't used to enter the park isn't that going against that one point that states "The valid theme park admission associated with your site/App account and used to make FastPass+ selections must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the FastPass+ selections are redeemed"

The in park system searches for FPs linked to your RFID. And, that RFID may or may not be linked to an MDE account.

MDE is not a requirement for using FPs.

The TOS states admission (ticket) used via MDE to book FPs must be the same admission used to enter the park.

The key words in the TOS are "admission" (ticket) and MDE. In 2013, CMs knew of the 2 operating systems and that neither MDE nor a ticket were requirements for obtaining FPs when in the park.

 

[MimiOfTwo]

If I book FP on tickets that I won't be using for admission but 30 days out I go into my MDE and use the change party and put those fast passes on my MVMCP ticket would that be acceptable sinceI will be using the MVMCP tickets for admission?

 

[hiroMYhero]

If I book FP on tickets that I won't be using for admission but 30 days out I go into my MDE and use the change party and put those fast passes on my MVMCP ticket would that be acceptable sinceI will be using the MVMCP tickets for admission?

Yes. If you enter using your MVMCP tickets (it's the only way for you to remain in the Party), and the MVMCP tickets are linked to those with pre-booked FPs: yes, it's totally acceptable to use your PRE-BOOKED FPs.

 

[ktlm]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Our trip was last week, Oct 1-9. We used MNSSHP tickets attached to phantom names and it worked like a charm. The phantom names were in my MDE, so I could easily change all the FP on the app. Between your fantastic thread which got us 3 extra FP per day, and the new ability to book your 4th from the app, even in a different park, this is the FIRST FP+ trip that we have not absolutely hated FP+. Those extra 3 FP+ a day booked in the morning when there was availability, really made things less stressful, easier, and manageable, especially in the tiered parks. We were able to get another Tier 1 ride on the MNSSHP set in the mornings in most instances. It also was a huge help at MK to have the extra 3. There was more available than I expected every morning at the kiosks. You REALLY made a huge difference in our trip! Thanks again!!! I'm putting those cards in a safe place, so that we can pull them out when we go to WDW again.

 

[Boski]

The TOS states admission (ticket) used via MDE to book FPs must be the same admission used to enter the park.

I guess I can't find where it says that. This is what that line reads:

"The valid theme park admission associated with your site/App account and used to make FastPass+ selections must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the FastPass+ selections are redeemed"

I understand that as if you have a MDE account, and are using FP+ that are linked to a MDE account (doesn't matter if its your main one or a phantom), then that account must be the one you use for entry.

 

[hiroMYhero]

"The valid theme park admission associated with your site/App account and used to make FastPass+ selections must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the FastPass+ selections are redeemed"

I believe @ScrapYap explained this to you a few pages ago.

The following applies to MDE:
The valid theme park admission [Ticket] associated with your site/App account [MDE] and used to make FP+ selections [prebooked] must be the same valid theme park admission [ticket] that you will use for entry into the park on the day FP+ selections [prebooked] are redeemed.

I am not sure how this can be misinterpreted.

 

[Boski]

I believe @ScrapYap explained this to you a few pages ago.

The following applies to MDE:
The valid theme park admission [Ticket] associated with your site/App account [MDE] and used to make FP+ selections [prebooked] must be the same valid theme park admission [ticket] that you will use for entry into the park on the day FP+ selections [prebooked] are redeemed.

I am not sure how this can be misinterpreted.

Thank you for posting this. I think I can use it to highlight (bolded) the part where we are disagreeing on how this is read. I don't see where this applies to only prebooked FP+. It does not say in that bullet point that the FP+ selections this applies to are ones that are prebooked. I read that as:

The valid theme park admission [Ticket] associated with your site/App account [MDE/MM+] and used to make FP+ selections [any FP+ selection be it prebooked or ones at a Kiosk] must be the same valid theme park admission [ticket] that you will use for entry into the park on the day FP+ selections [any FP+ selection be it prebooked or ones at a Kiosk] are redeemed.

 

[hiroMYhero]

Thank you for posting this. I think I can use it to highlight (bolded) the part where we are disagreeing on how this is read. I don't see where this applies to only prebooked FP+. It does not say in that bullet point that the FP+ selections this applies to are ones that are prebooked. I read that as:

The valid theme park admission [Ticket] associated with your site/App account [MDE/MM+] and used to make FP+ selections [any FP+ selection be it prebooked or ones at a Kiosk] must be the same valid theme park admission [ticket] that you will use for entry into the park on the day FP+ selections [any FP+ selection be it prebooked or ones at a Kiosk] are redeemed.

Boski, taking into consideration you are able to accurately describe SDFP in your post in a Rumors and News thread thus drawing other DISers and lurkers to this thread to benefit from SDFP:

What they do is create a "phantom" MDE account using a random email (not their main account with tickets and what not linked to it). They then buy unlinked magic bands in the stores. They then link those bands to their phantom MDE account and as long as they are in the park they can get FPs at the kiosks.

... your continued misinterpretation of the TOS to create an ongoing invalid argument within this thread will be appropriately addressed as stated in the OP of this thread.

 

[eeyoreandtink]

Thank you for posting this. I think I can use it to highlight (bolded) the part where we are disagreeing on how this is read. I don't see where this applies to only prebooked FP+. It does not say in that bullet point that the FP+ selections this applies to are ones that are prebooked. I read that as:

The valid theme park admission [Ticket] associated with your site/App account [MDE/MM+] and used to make FP+ selections [any FP+ selection be it prebooked or ones at a Kiosk] must be the same valid theme park admission [ticket] that you will use for entry into the park on the day FP+ selections [any FP+ selection be it prebooked or ones at a Kiosk] are redeemed.

Thing is though, you don't have to use a form of admission to book SDFP, but you do for advanced fastpasses. We use bands that have NEVER had ANY ticket linked to them to make SDFP. So we aren't using ANY theme park admission media to make them. It doesn't violate the TOS because we don't have to have ever had tickets linked to those bands to use them to make SDFP. We aren't using TICKETS to make the fastpasses, we are using the MAGICBANDS. Advance pastpasses require a ticket media so the TOS would apply to them. SDFP don't require a ticket to make, so it doesn't apply. You can do it on a brand new magic band that isn't linked to ANY MDE or MM+ as well, completely anomalously with no means of tracking who you are.

 

[hiroMYhero]

***Moving forward, all argumentative posts regarding SDFP will be removed from the thread and appropriate Warnings will be given.***

 

[Floridaglen]

I was wondering, has anyone reported back what has happened to them if they have tried to use a ticket that has FP's prebooked but hasn't been used for admission. If I hadn't read this thread I wouldn't have known about this when entering the parks. I'm sure there may be many who still don't!