Screaming children will not be tolerated!

[MiniGirl]

I think all of the statements are obnoxious. It shows to me the owner doesnt have a very good handle on her restaurant. Most people are not problems....and anyone who is should be handled invisibly.

I don't understand how a sign like this means the owner doesn't have a good handle on her restaurant. She can't control how people behave in there, but she can refuse to serve them if the behavior continues and she can demand that her customers agree to abide by a certain level of behavior. One that, in the past, has been widely accepted as the norm but apparently no longer is.

I also doubt the sign was put up after just one incident of a screaming child. It sounds as if this had become an ongoing problem, and it was probably costing the owner business.

Also, customers like these draw attention to themselves and cannot be handled invisibly. Even if the owner asks them to step into another room for a moment, everyone will know why that is happening. Again, this is not the fault of anyone but the parent that allows this type of behavior to continue.

 

[Arielle22]

I think once you have the a "please" sign up there, the management has every right to say, "See that sign? We'll pack up your food and meet you up front to pay the bill. Please come again when your child is feeling better."

For me, I see a sign that has "will not be tolerated," and I'm completely turned off.

When I see a sign that says "will not be tolerated" I think yeah I want to go there. If a parent has to be told to control their child, the management probably does not want them back anyway.

 

[Scurvy]

Also, customers like these draw attention to themselves and cannot be handled invisibly. Even if the owner asks them to step into another room for a moment, everyone will know why that is happening. Again, this is not the fault of anyone but the parent that allows this type of behavior to continue.

This. I've seen a family with terribly behaved kids at a restaurant, and when enough other diners complained and the manager finally felt he had to go talk to them, it got even worse. The parents were offended and indignant. They got loud. It was like they thought the manager would back down if they made enough of a scene. They said their kids had as much right to be there as everyone else and refused to understand that the behavior was unacceptable. It was awful - it made me horribly uncomfortable.

I'd like to think that a sign saying that screaming will not be tolerated wouldn't be necessary, but the fact is that the people who allow that kind of behavior don't respond to kind requests not to behave that way. They need to be told bluntly that it won't be allowed and then shown the door if they choose allow their kids to behave that way.

 

[taylor3297]

Really?

"Obnoxious drunks will not be tolerated"
"Smoking will not be tolerated"
"Abusing our staff will not be tolerated"
"Vandalism will not be tolerated"

Do you see a problem with blanket statements? No, the policy shouldn't be stated in a humorous way. It's a serious policy and needs to be stated clearly. Don't patronize the restaurant. It's in North Carolina; odds are you'd have never gone there anyway.

Please help me understand this statement. Each time I read it, it comes across as a slam against NC. It is hard to tell sometimes what people mean when something is written. When speaking the tone of voice gives more clues.

I have eaten there, I know others who have eaten there.

 

[MiniGirl]

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Please help me understand this statement. Each time I read it, it comes across as a slam against NC. It is hard to tell sometimes what people mean when something is written. When speaking the tone of voice gives more clues.

I have eaten there, I know others who have eaten there.

Patronize, in this case, means to act as a customer or a patron. She is saying if you don't like the sign, then don't eat there. The person she was talking to has her location as Florida and Motown, IIRC, so she is saying that person has probably never been there anyway. The poster isn't saying anything bad about NC or this restaurant.

 

[alliecats]

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Please help me understand this statement. Each time I read it, it comes across as a slam against NC. It is hard to tell sometimes what people mean when something is written. When speaking the tone of voice gives more clues.

I have eaten there, I know others who have eaten there.

I think she meant that Jodifla does not live in NC so the odds are Jodifla would never have gone to that particular restaurant anyway. Because really, what are the odds that any of us will go to this particular restaurant if we don't even live in the same state? Even if we vacationed there, that is a lot of cities and eateries to cover! Odds are against it.

I did not take it as a slam at all. I would love to go to NC and even this restaurant would be cool with me.

 

[jodifla]

And apparently, the owner doesn't want autistic kids dining there either, screaming or not. Or at least that's what one mom claims who spoke to the owner.

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=13121508#

About three weeks ago, Kelly Chambliss confronted Brenda Armes, the owner of Olde Salty's, about the signs which she thought was a joke.

According to Armes, Chambliss accused her of singling out autistic children, but can't understand why she is offended by the signs.

"And I said, ‘Autism is not a word on that sign ma'am,'" said Armes.

Chambliss was not with her autistic son when she confronted Armes, but claims the owner made it very clear that her son was not welcome in the restaurant.

"She looked at me and said, ‘I cannot believe you even take him in public. You must be the only one that does,'" said Chambliss.

 

[Mermaid02]

And apparently, the owner doesn't want autistic kids dining there either, screaming or not. Or at least that's what one mom claims who spoke to the owner.

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=13121508#

About three weeks ago, Kelly Chambliss confronted Brenda Armes, the owner of Olde Salty's, about the signs which she thought was a joke.

According to Armes, Chambliss accused her of singling out autistic children, but can't understand why she is offended by the signs.

"And I said, ‘Autism is not a word on that sign ma'am,'" said Armes.

Chambliss was not with her autistic son when she confronted Armes, but claims the owner made it very clear that her son was not welcome in the restaurant.

"She looked at me and said, ‘I cannot believe you even take him in public. You must be the only one that does,'" said Chambliss.

I would need a witness to believe THAT is true. I smell a lawsuit brewing.....

 

[rie'smom]

And apparently, the owner doesn't want autistic kids dining there either, screaming or not. Or at least that's what one mom claims who spoke to the owner.

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=13121508#

About three weeks ago, Kelly Chambliss confronted Brenda Armes, the owner of Olde Salty's, about the signs which she thought was a joke.

According to Armes, Chambliss accused her of singling out autistic children, but can't understand why she is offended by the signs.

"And I said, ‘Autism is not a word on that sign ma'am,'" said Armes.

Chambliss was not with her autistic son when she confronted Armes, but claims the owner made it very clear that her son was not welcome in the restaurant.

[B]"She looked at me and said, ‘I cannot believe you even take him in public. You must be the only one that does,'" said Chambliss.[/B]

If Ames even said this it is open to interpretation. She may have meant she thought the child always screams like that and was surprised the mother took the child to restaurants etc. She may have also meant that maybe the child is not taken out enough to know what type of behavior is expected.

My daughter's godmother's son is autistic and behaves beautifully. His mom has never allowed him to slip because of his autism. Nat has always expected her son to behave appropriately. I know there are varying degrees. I also know that some parents use their child's condition as an excuse for their bad behavior.

 

[MiniGirl]

And apparently, the owner doesn't want autistic kids dining there either, screaming or not. Or at least that's what one mom claims who spoke to the owner.

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=13121508#

About three weeks ago, Kelly Chambliss confronted Brenda Armes, the owner of Olde Salty's, about the signs which she thought was a joke.

According to Armes, Chambliss accused her of singling out autistic children, but can't understand why she is offended by the signs.

"And I said, ‘Autism is not a word on that sign ma'am,'" said Armes.

Chambliss was not with her autistic son when she confronted Armes, but claims the owner made it very clear that her son was not welcome in the restaurant.

"She looked at me and said, ‘I cannot believe you even take him in public. You must be the only one that does,'" said Chambliss.

I don't take that as a slam on ALL autistic children. Maybe she said that because the woman is unable (or unwilling) to control her son at other area establishments, too. Of course, I don't know, but I never saw where the owner said anything against autistic children in general.

 

[kaytieeldr]

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Please help me understand this statement. Each time I read it, it comes across as a slam against NC. It is hard to tell sometimes what people mean when something is written. When speaking the tone of voice gives more clues.

I have eaten there, I know others who have eaten there.

PLEASE accept my apology. My post wasn't intended to be taken as any kind of slam or insult toward any state!!!!

Jodifla lives in Florida. There are what, 10,000 restaurants in the United States? Okay, that number combined times simple geography times her refusal to patronize a restaurant that won't tolerate screaming children indicates to me that she will never likely step foot into that restaurant. Therefore, any policy they set or sign they post actually has no effect on her.

Personally, I'd LOVE to eat there. I was extremely disappointed when I read the article. I was positive the restaurant would be in Massachusetts!!!!

 

[phorsenuf]

And apparently, the owner doesn't want autistic kids dining there either, screaming or not. Or at least that's what one mom claims who spoke to the owner.

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=13121508#

About three weeks ago, Kelly Chambliss confronted Brenda Armes, the owner of Olde Salty's, about the signs which she thought was a joke.

According to Armes, Chambliss accused her of singling out autistic children, but can't understand why she is offended by the signs.

"And I said, ‘Autism is not a word on that sign ma'am,'" said Armes.

Chambliss was not with her autistic son when she confronted Armes, but claims the owner made it very clear that her son was not welcome in the restaurant.

"She looked at me and said, ‘I cannot believe you even take him in public. You must be the only one that does,'" said Chambliss.

uh-huh.

 

[taylor3297]

Patronize, in this case, means to act as a customer or a patron. She is saying if you don't like the sign, then don't eat there. The person she was talking to has her location as Florida and Motown, IIRC, so she is saying that person has probably never been there anyway. The poster isn't saying anything bad about NC or this restaurant.

I do know what the word patronize means. Thanks for helping though.

I think she meant that Jodifla does not live in NC so the odds are Jodifla would never have gone to that particular restaurant anyway. Because really, what are the odds that any of us will go to this particular restaurant if we don't even live in the same state? Even if we vacationed there, that is a lot of cities and eateries to cover! Odds are against it.

I did not take it as a slam at all. I would love to go to NC and even this restaurant would be cool with me.

Come visit anytime. THanks for giving your opinion. It is just so hard sometimes to get the tone of what someone is saying when thing are written..

PLEASE accept my apology. My post wasn't intended to be taken as any kind of slam or insult toward any state!!!!

Jodifla lives in Florida. There are what, 10,000 restaurants in the United States? Okay, that number combined times simple geography times her refusal to patronize a restaurant that won't tolerate screaming children indicates to me that she will never likely step foot into that restaurant. Therefore, any policy they set or sign they post actually has no effect on her.

Personally, I'd LOVE to eat there. I was extremely disappointed when I read the article. I was positive the restaurant would be in Massachusetts!!!!

No apology necessary. I do appreciate you clearing up for me what you meant.

 

[jodifla]

I would need a witness to believe THAT is true. I smell a lawsuit brewing.....

There's a lot of raw footage on that site, interviewing both of them. It's an interesting "she said," "she said" situation. They agree on the larger points of their conversation, not the details.

The woman with the autistic child is really well spoken. I don't agree completely with her viewpoint, but I don't walk in her shoes. She doesn't seem to be looking for money, but she does want that sign down.

I thought the restaurant owner did a good job defending her point of view as well. She said a couple of things I found fairly offensive, but hey, her restaurant, and I agree she gets to state the rules, even if I disagree with the wording.

And I was willing to believe that maybe the woman with the autistic child was stretching the story until the very end of the restaurant owner's interview. She said something to the effect of "she got handed an autistic child by Mother Nature or God, and she's taking it out on everyone else."

 

[Magic Mom]

uh-huh.

What proof does she have that the owner doesn't want autistic kids screaming or not? It seems like the owner doesn't care unless the child is screaming.

 

[superdiz]

OMG this reminds me of our honeymoon. Chefs de France, screaming 2/3 year old at next table at a late evening PS. Chocolate Milk thrown at Mom, misses Mom and hits - you guessed it - all down my silk dress and leg. And Mom's comment to me - after an hour of him screaming during our dinner - "Kids will be kids" with a laugh.

I'm still not laughing.

AGREE with restaurant

 

[dislaney]

I wish all restaurants would enforce this. We have been going out to eat less and less lately after a few bad experiences in restaurants. Lately, we have been ordering takeout and eating at home. It's a lot quieter and more enjoyable for us that way.

 

[sunnyday123]

And apparently, the owner doesn't want autistic kids dining there either, screaming or not. Or at least that's what one mom claims who spoke to the owner.

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=13121508#

About three weeks ago, Kelly Chambliss confronted Brenda Armes, the owner of Olde Salty's, about the signs which she thought was a joke.

According to Armes, Chambliss accused her of singling out autistic children, but can't understand why she is offended by the signs.

"And I said, ‘Autism is not a word on that sign ma'am,'" said Armes.

Chambliss was not with her autistic son when she confronted Armes, but claims the owner made it very clear that her son was not welcome in the restaurant.

"She looked at me and said, ‘I cannot believe you even take him in public. You must be the only one that does,'" said Chambliss.

Yea, I'm not buying what she's selling.....

 

[Scurvy]

Yea, I'm not buying what she's selling.....

I'm not either. I'd have a hard time believing anyone said that last bit. And it's clear from the other quotes that the owner doesn't care if a child is autistic or not. The screaming in not going to be tolerated, either from an autistic child or any other child.

 

[pandaroo]

I think it's sad that a restaurant even needs to put up a sign stating what should be common sense. Nothing worse than sitting next to a screaming kid in a restaurant.

The restaurant owner isn't banning children...just children that are SCREAMING. She said that wait staff would ask parents of misbehaving children to take them outside until they calm down. This is just common courtesy, and in my mind, if the wait staff has to ask, then the parents aren't really doing their jobs.