Scooter rentals now TARGETING the lazy!! (LONG)

[shellybaxter]

Isn't it GREAT how a person can "QUOTE" someone else, crop out pertinent information, and then POST it so it looks BETTER for their OWN argument!!??

In future, if you feel that what I have to say is important enough for you to include in your own post, please have the courtesy of including ALL of it!!

Thank you

In the meantime, you can't seriously think that it would be such a HARDSHIP for the WC and/or ECV users to wait in a lineup for a bus like everyone else has to? Or do you?? If THAT is TOO DIFFICULT I hate to think about how HARD it must be for you to be in WDW AT ALL!!! You have NO IDEA how many OTHER situations I could come up with regarding all sorts of people who would benefit from some form of preferential treatment or another when it comes to this 'PROBLEM'.....THEY DON'T GET ANY AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU!!!! JUST WAIT IN THE LINE!!!!!!
Meanwhile, although this is starting to get UGLY, it needn't be that way and MAYBE the next thread SHOULD be what YOU suggested: HOW MANY OF US CAN WRITE TO DISNEY AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR PREDJUDICIAL TREATMENT AGAINST ALL OF THEIR NON-HANDICAPPED GUESTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE 'BUS FASTPASS SYSTEM'?? From what I have read on THIS THREAD ALONE, there are PLENTY of people who are VERY ANGERED at the system that WDW currently has in place and it is getting to be harder and harder for the rest of us to NOT develop an "attitude" or have "bad feelings" towards the folks who think NOTHING of pulling up to a bus stop when there are TONS of people who HAVE BEEN WAITING for their bus, boarding the bus right away and act like WE have a problem because we are feeling just a little BITTER!!!

WOW - I thought Linda was very open minded in her post. She's right - if you have a better idea for the bus system let Disney know. I can think of a few possible down sides to your plan. First, people aren't all going to be willing to move aside and let the WC/ECV party through. If this were Disney's policy they would have to police it or risk the liability of possible fights. Second, I don't know either Florida law or every bit of the American's with Disabilities Act, but there might be a legal reason why Disney has the policy it does. You don't have to agree with laws and rules, you only have to follow them.

That is what Linda was pointing out to you - which she did with out YELLING at you or becoming mean. Disney's current policy, "rule" , is for WC/ECV parties to place themselves where they will be seen by the bus driver for loading. It is a "rule" of disney. While I have never had an offsite ECV if I did, I would follow it, just as I follow the parking rules, the pool hopping rules, the room occupancy rules, the refillable mug rules, and all of the other rules. Please don't be upset with people for following the rules, that is what they are supposed to do.

BTW - if the rules changed and ECV/WC people were required to wait at the back of the que until all of the able bodied people bored because that was the fastest way to transport people, I'd do that too. Those are the rules. I might write a letter to Disney saying why I thought that was unfair, but I'd still follow the rules until they changed.

I have been very calm in replying to you - please give me the same courtesy

Shelly

 

[Fly me with Balloons]

Since there are too many jerk-offs bashing fat people on this thread I can't qoute you all but you know who you are.

I love the sentiment "Just loose weight" ... like it's so easy and the thoughts that our "disability" is self inflicted due to being fat and we don't DESERVE an ECV.

Well ...

What about the a person who lost a leg in a car accident because they were driving 100mph and lost control....

NO EVC FOR THEM >>> THIER FAULT!

What about the person who smoked for 25 years and now has a lung disorder and can't walk long distances.

NO EVC FOR THEM>>>> THIER FAULT!

Or the person that drunk themselves into kidney failure and is too weak to walk?

NO EVC FOR THEM >>>> THIER FAULT!

Yes, an overweight person can loose weight but it is a very SLOW daunting process. It's not like you can say "OMG ... I go to WDW in 6 months ... let's loose 100lbs!" Or perhaps we shouldn't go to WDW? Or perhaps we should suffer in pain and walk ... to the point of CRYING on the way out of the park because it hurts so bad. Just so as not to OFFEND you jerks.

To whoever the JERK OFF is that is from the UK....

Yeah ...I did read all your posts and you are VERY fat predjudice. I won't even go into any type of explination for you because you are too ignorant to understand all the factors that go into someone being overweight.

Maybe one day you will become bed ridden or go on a medication that makes you gain weight and put on a few pounds ... quite a few ... I hope you do. Then maybe you will recieve the other end of this hatred you display. I do read hatred in your posts, no question it is there! Hatred of fat people ... like we don't deserve to exist.

Go crawl in a hole as you should be ashamed to grace the same planet as this Big Beautiful Woman.

WDWO

gimme a break.

 

[pampam]

I realize when a wc or ecv is loaded on a bus, it is time consuming. People have been waiting in line, and now they have to wait even longer to load up someone. But please consider this. The able bodied are perhaps already through the bag check while the wc or ecv is being loaded off the bus. First on is most certainly the last off. This applies to returning to the hotel as well. Many times I'v seen people I've traveled with on the bus already back at their room relaxing while I am just approaching my room. It's more time consuming for the disabled than it is for the able-bodied.

Or perhaps the beef is the fact that wc's and ecv's take up more seats on a bus, and those in line are afraid that they won't get a seat, or even get on the bus, even though they have been patiently waiting. I can understand that. However, many times I have been patiently waiting for a bus as well, with a wc, and cannot get on because the 2 spots on the bus for the wc tie downs are already filled with 2 wc's or with people from the first bus stop. Now, I have to wait for the next bus and hope that those 2 spots are not taken already. So, you see, we all are inconvenienced. Having a wc is not a perc, it's an assistive device.

 

[wdwobsessed]

gimme a break.

Sure where would you like it?

WDWO

 

[LBelle]

To whoever the JERK OFF is that is from the UK....
Go crawl in a hole as you should be ashamed to grace the same planet as this Big Beautiful Woman.

But seriously, it's time for a big

We ARE talking about Disney!!!!

I DO love everybody...I just hate lineups!!!

 

[disneyfan19712006]

I have a question about the scooters. My 22yr old son has bone cancer and is going through treatment for it. We are planning a trip to universal for him in a couple of weeks. I am concerned that there will not be any electric scooters avaliable when we get there. He uses crutches to get around usually, if it is only for short distances. We have never been to the theme parks so are unfamiliar with the process. Should we bring bungee cords to attach the crutches to the back of the scooter chair? ( If there is one avaliable.) Help...

I would rent from an out side company to qurantee you have one available for the whole trip They can deliver to your hotel. I use Walker Mobility.

 

[LBelle]

WOW - I thought Linda was very open minded in her post. She's right - if you have a better idea for the bus system let Disney know. I can think of a few possible down sides to your plan. First, people aren't all going to be willing to move aside and let the WC/ECV party through. If this were Disney's policy they would have to police it or risk the liability of possible fights. Second, I don't know either Florida law or every bit of the American's with Disabilities Act, but there might be a legal reason why Disney has the policy it does. You don't have to agree with laws and rules, you only have to follow them.

That is what Linda was pointing out to you - which she did with out YELLING at you or becoming mean. Disney's current policy, "rule" , is for WC/ECV parties to place themselves where they will be seen by the bus driver for loading. It is a "rule" of disney. While I have never had an offsite ECV if I did, I would follow it, just as I follow the parking rules, the pool hopping rules, the room occupancy rules, the refillable mug rules, and all of the other rules. Please don't be upset with people for following the rules, that is what they are supposed to do.

BTW - if the rules changed and ECV/WC people were required to wait at the back of the que until all of the able bodied people bored because that was the fastest way to transport people, I'd do that too. Those are the rules. I might write a letter to Disney saying why I thought that was unfair, but I'd still follow the rules until they changed.

I have been very calm in replying to you - please give me the same courtesy

Shelly

To Shelly AND Linda;


First of all, please accept my apology. I really did not know that capitalizing the words in my post would be considered 'yelling'. It is simply a habit I have when writing anything where I feel a need to emphasize a word and/or a phrase. I have had to correct myself twice here already!! But, I AM learning!!

I will admit that me "ideas" should probably be filed under the "wishful thinking" area. I guess you're right that there would be folks who would have a problem moving aside to allow the wc's and ecv's pass them. I just figured that since I would have no problem with it, that most others would display the same amount of courtesy. Oh god, it is TOO hard to NOT capitalize!!!

Please also remember what I have said in my earlier posts on this thread - this is NOT about WHO needs or doesn't need to use WC's and ECV's - to each his own, although I do think it is unfair that some people who really do need to rent one may be out of luck because they are all gone, for whatever reason. Personally, I would never rent one for the convenience of not walking the umpteenth million of miles needed to visit WDW BUT, I HAVE thought about how nice it would be, to be pushed around in a STROLLER again!! Why is it that we don't get to remember doing that??

 

[kaytieeldr]

This happened to us once, too, except it was a scooter and entourage of 17. They rolled right up and got on first ahead of everyone else in line. And the 17 extended family members took up almost all of the seats so the rest of us (who had been waiting a LOT longer) ended up standing. I was furious.

ENTIRELY understandable. I once boarded a bus on an ECV, and the two people with me got in line and boarded with the other passengers. The driver told them they could have boarded with me, but they chose not to - because it would have been unfair to the Guests already in line. And if they hadn't been able to get on the same bus? Well, we're all adults. I could easily have waited for them to arrive at our destination on the next bus...

I don't think that ANYBODY is bitter about ECV and w'chair rentals and/or usage. The "problem", per se, lies only with the mentality of some who believe that just because they are not standing on their feet that they "deserve" FRONT OF THE LINE PRIORITY!!

Fortunately, Disney and the other major theme parks have done much in recent years to refute this expectation. As Sue has stated, most lines are mainstreamed to handle wheelchairs and ECVs, which means the user does NOT get priority. There are exceptions, of course: I don't think many of the FantasyLand queues can be redesigned to handle WC/ECV users. At Disneyland last year, no matter how much I tried to wait my turn on using the wheelchair entrances (at, for example, Storybook Boats and Pinocchio), the CMs generally insisted on putting me on/in the next ride vehicle. This despite me tracking who got was at the end of the regular line when I entered the alternate line
Also, on one trip I rode TOT twice - once I was able to ride the ECV through the entire regular queue, into the building, into the library and through the steam room to the elevators. A few days later I was told ECVs were not allowed in the building for safety reasons (?) and was instead escorted in through the exit.

Then, of course I got the 'argument' that I knew was coming.....that they HAVE to be in the seperate line because Disney tells them that they must be loaded on the busses FIRST for safety reasons! Perfectly understandable I say, but once again, why not WAIT IN THE NORMAL LINE and then when the bus comes, if you are close enough to the front of the line(or your travelling companions) that it is obvious that you WOULD be on that particular bus, this should be brought to the bus driver's attention, the other GUESTS in the lineup ahead of you simply move aside, you may pass them and then you may be loaded onto the bus, then the others in line would follow, IN ORDER!!!!!

In a perfect world, the ECV user would/should note who's at the end of the line when they get to the wheelchair-loading spot, and refuse to get on a bus until after that person/party has boarded.
However, I've waited in the regular line, only to be apologized to by more than one driver because they didn't see me waiting and now couldn't board me, since there were already people on the bus. Maybe Disney needs more CMs, to man the bus waiting areas and control who boards the bus when.
As much as possible, I'm willing to wait for approximately my "turn" to board. OTOH, there are times when I medically need to get back to my hotel/room asap.

What about if, even 1 of the travelling companions stood in the regular line and THEN brought it to the attention of the driver whose bus you know you WOULD have been on had you waited in the normal line?

I most often visit Disney alone. Now what?

It's only about the special "perks" that seem to go hand in hand with the usage of these things when they are not necessary. Just wait in line along with everyone else and I'm sure you will NEVER encounter anybody having a "bad attitude" towards you!

Okay. You get Disney to redesign all the offending lines/waiting areas, and I'll wait in every inch of line with everyone else. Except what do I do when the turning area is too small to maneuver the ECV and I get stuck? Or at the bottom of the stairs at Splash Mountain? And because it's all downhill ramps and turns at PoC, and I have no intention of bringing leather gloves so I don't "burn" my hands, I can never ride that attraction...

In the meantime, you can't seriously think that it would be such a HARDSHIP for the WC and/or ECV users to wait in a lineup for a bus like everyone else has to? Or do you??

Most of the time, you're absolutely right. But it's NOT a policy or practice set up by the wheelchair or ECV user. It's DISNEY'S procedure. If you have a more fair suggestion, please contact DISNEY with your ideas.

Yes, an overweight person can loose weight but it is a very SLOW daunting process. It's not like you can say "OMG ... I go to WDW in 6 months ... let's loose 100lbs!"

What? You mean all those "Lose 50 pounds in two weeks" products I see advertised don't work? Shoot! Off to craft Plan B...

 

[minnie61650]

Isn't it GREAT how a person can "QUOTE" someone else, crop out pertinent information, and then POST it so it looks BETTER for their OWN argument!!??

In future, if you feel that what I have to say is important enough for you to include in your own post, please have the courtesy of including ALL of it!!

Thank you

In the meantime, you can't seriously think that it would be such a HARDSHIP for the WC and/or ECV users to wait in a lineup for a bus like everyone else has to? Or do you?? If THAT is TOO DIFFICULT I hate to think about how HARD it must be for you to be in WDW AT ALL!!! You have NO IDEA how many OTHER situations I could come up with regarding all sorts of people who would benefit from some form of preferential treatment or another when it comes to this 'PROBLEM'.....THEY DON'T GET ANY AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU!!!! JUST WAIT IN THE LINE!!!!!!
Meanwhile, although this is starting to get UGLY, it needn't be that way and MAYBE the next thread SHOULD be what YOU suggested: HOW MANY OF US CAN WRITE TO DISNEY AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR PREDJUDICIAL TREATMENT AGAINST ALL OF THEIR NON-HANDICAPPED GUESTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE 'BUS FASTPASS SYSTEM'?? From what I have read on THIS THREAD ALONE, there are PLENTY of people who are VERY ANGERED at the system that WDW currently has in place and it is getting to be harder and harder for the rest of us to NOT develop an "attitude" or have "bad feelings" towards the folks who think NOTHING of pulling up to a bus stop when there are TONS of people who HAVE BEEN WAITING for their bus, boarding the bus right away and act like WE have a problem because we are feeling just a little BITTER!!!

I understand you feel like WC/ECV users have a 'BUS FASTPASS SYSTEM'



I never said it was a hardship to wait in line with others. I do it all the time when waiting for attractions and shows.
I even said you made some valid points.
It is just that Disney and the bus drivers have asked us not to wait in the regular line.

I just stated what the WC/EVC policy is for now.

I apologize that I am loaded into the bus first and I would like you to know that I would also support a policy that only the guest in the WC/EVC and 1 other adult from their party be allowed to enter the back door with the disabled person. Of course I would make an exception for young children in the party if the disable guest is the parent. I think most would understand young children should not be seperated from their parents.


Now I will go back and edit my other post to include your whole post.

Peace:

 

[Annam26]

Originally Posted by LBelle
if you are close enough to the front of the line(or your travelling companions) that it is obvious that you WOULD be on that particular bus, this should be brought to the bus driver's attention, the other GUESTS in the lineup ahead of you simply move aside, you may pass them and then you may be loaded onto the bus, then the others in line would follow, IN ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just reading your post and so many other posts on this thread make clear that the notion that guests will willingly move aside to let a WC in, is a joke.
It would never happen.

BUT, if you think this is such a brilliant idea, go ahead, thake the issue up with Disney.

Meanwhile, the rules are the rules. minnie61650 posted what the policy is regarding handicapped guests, and as long as this policy exixts, it should (and will) be followed.

ETA: Last year was my first trip to WDW, and I didn't know anything about how things worked. I was told by bus drivers to be out of the line and visible
so that's what I did, and will do as long as that is the rule. If it changes, I'll abide by the new rules.

 

[SueM in MN]

To Shelly AND Linda;


First of all, please accept my apology. I really did not know that capitalizing the words in my post would be considered 'yelling'. It is simply a habit I have when writing anything where I feel a need to emphasize a word and/or a phrase. I have had to correct myself twice here already!! But, I AM learning!!

I will admit that me "ideas" should probably be filed under the "wishful thinking" area. I guess you're right that there would be folks who would have a problem moving aside to allow the wc's and ecv's pass them. I just figured that since I would have no problem with it, that most others would display the same amount of courtesy. Oh god, it is TOO hard to NOT capitalize!!!

Some information for people who don't use wheelchairs or ECVs about why wheelchairs are loaded first:

It takes at least a 5 foot square area to turn a wheelchair or ECV. So, any lines that are wheelchair accessible have to be that wide thru the line and especailly thru the turns. People who are not experienced take more room. The bus lines are not accessible.

Sometimes, depending on the bus stop, the driver does need to know that someone will be loading a wheelchair before pulling the bus into the stop so that he/she can line up the back door with the correct place for loading. That's why the bus drivers tell people using ECVs/wheelchairs not to be 'hidden" in the line.

And, if people using wheelchairs or ECVs were required to wait in the line until it was obvious they would get on, I'm very certain people would not let the wheelchair user advance or get out of the line at that point. That would be seen as line cutting.

We have gotten on the bus when the bus was quite full already in the past. The more people, the more difficult it is to manouver. It's already intimidating for a lot of people to parallel park an ECV or wheelchair in the space provided for the wheelchair to park. When you throw in a bunch of people whose feet you might get too close to, or children who might move suddenly, it gets even more intimidating (and leaves less space for manouvering). That makes it take longer to load the wheelchair or ECV, which makes more complaints.

The seats directly across from the back seat of the bus are the ones that can be lifted up for a wheelchair or ECV to be loaded. If the wheelchairs/ECVs were not loaded first and someone is sitting there, they would need to move. We have had that happen to us. It can be nice or it can be really ugly. I would like to avoid it as much as possible.

The only way I can see them changing the waiting system would be if they changed to buses that load wheelchairs in the front as Bill mentioned.

We try to be considerate of all of this and don't ride when we know the bus will be busy. Waiting a while and letting the crowd clear makes a big difference. 10 minutes can make a big difference.
As i already mentioned, a maximum of 5 people plus the person with a disability is considered a party by WDW. If someone is traveling with a group of 17 or 20, they should be dividing up and not expecting to get on the same bus.

 

[mickman1962]

To all the people who are complaining about the ECV's and WC's (the ones with a genuine need) getting on the buses first I have one question. Would you rather wait an extra hour or two for a bus during your trip, or trade that for a disability which gets you to the front of the line? Put yourselves in the other persons shoes and I'll choose waiting. I also guarantee you that the disabled person would trade with you in a heartbeat. Of course there is no need for the entire party to bypass the line but that is just a matter of courtesy (something I see less and less of these days) on the part of the offending guests.

 

[chirurgeon]

I posted earlier in this thread, before I had seen all the "fine" talk about obesity and the looks and such. I am obese. I have lost 90 lbs., gained back 45lbs and lost them again. Of course, I wouldn't recommend the method I used to lose the 45lbs. Cancer is a real kick in the butt. Literally for me, I have rectal cancer. Or should I say had. The cancer is gone, but I'm on chemo for 6 months. I am now looking for one of those button making kits so I can wear it with my Disney pins. If anyone wants to give me comments or looks I will simply flash my button. Any suggestions for what to say? I was thinking "Tinkerbell says Cancer is a Bi@#h"

What do you think?

I would love to lose the remaining 50 lbs that would take me to the "normal" weight that all those weight charts state for my height, but I think I have other things to worry about over the next few months.

Already reserved my ECV, and I'm sorry if my getting on the bus first offends you, but not my rules.

Weight loss is hard. And everyone should remember what goes around, comes around. Its called Karma.

If you think you need an ECV, get one and remember the above comment about Karma if you get looks or comments. We all deserve to enjoy our trips to Disney.

 

[sjams]

I think that you're taking this the wrong way. I'm a registered nurse and am very familiar with the side effects of meds, and realize that many folks who are disabled end up putting on weight due to decreased activity.

Having said that, you can't deny the overwhelming evidence that *most* of our obsesity problem in this country arises from two very simple phenomenon.
1.) Too many calories per day, many of which are refined (bad)
carbohydrates.
2.) A complete lack of physical activity.

And there's positively no denying that we are getting fatter and fatter as a nation due to these two issues. We don't have an "underactive thyroid" epidemic. We have an over-eating/under-excerising epidemic.

And let's remember, that many obese people do in fact end up with many debiliating physical problems.....but most of them didn't have those issues first, they only developed them when they became obese. Arthritis, type II diabetes, respiratory issues, sleep apnea....I could on and on. And many of those same folks would see a total reversal of many of those issues if they'd lose the weight. Instead, in our pill-popping society, they take medication to alleviate the pain, and they keep on eating.

As I said, I speak as someone who has very obsese people in her family. My 42 year old uncle who is easily 350 lbs (maybe more....tough to really guess) can't walk more than 100 ft because he gets so easily winded. He was recently diagnosed as a type II diabetic. He also has very bad arthritis in his knees and ankles. He takes more pills than most senior citizens take. All of these conditions, ever single one, is a direct result of his obesity. If he lost 150 lbs, almost all of the symptoms he has would seriously subside, or disappear altogether.

Unfortunately, with what the food industry has done to our food (loading them up with high fructose corn syrup and trans fats), plus the enormous portions that Americans have come to expect.....I don't see the problem going away. People need to get educated, eat way more complex carbs, cut back on those calories, and most importantly....get moving!

YEAH!!! Best response yet and right on the money!!!

 

[minnie61650]

To Shelly AND Linda;


First of all, please accept my apology. I really did not know that capitalizing the words in my post would be considered 'yelling'. It is simply a habit I have when writing anything where I feel a need to emphasize a word and/or a phrase. I have had to correct myself twice here already!! But, I AM learning!!

I will admit that me "ideas" should probably be filed under the "wishful thinking" area. I guess you're right that there would be folks who would have a problem moving aside to allow the wc's and ecv's pass them. I just figured that since I would have no problem with it, that most others would display the same amount of courtesy. Oh god, it is TOO hard to NOT capitalize!!!

Please also remember what I have said in my earlier posts on this thread - this is NOT about WHO needs or doesn't need to use WC's and ECV's - to each his own, although I do think it is unfair that some people who really do need to rent one may be out of luck because they are all gone, for whatever reason. Personally, I would never rent one for the convenience of not walking the umpteenth million of miles needed to visit WDW BUT, I HAVE thought about how nice it would be, to be pushed around in a STROLLER again!! Why is it that we don't get to remember doing that??

I accept your apology.
Thanks!

Peace:

 

[shafke]

Not having read every post in this thread one thing caught my eye... that of waiting on line or going through the exit.

At a park we frequent they started a new policy for people in need of special assistance which sound fair. If there is someone in you party who is unable to go through the regular line because of limited mobility, they will give you a return time based on how long the current line is. So if the line is an hour they will give you a slip that will then allow you to bypass the line an hour later. Disney could do the same. If the line is 30 minutes then you come back in 30 minutes. You would only need to do this on the rides where a person in a wheelchair/ECV is not able to go through the regular queue.

 

[minnie61650]

To all the people who are complaining about the ECV's and WC's (the ones with a genuine need) getting on the buses first I have one question. Would you rather wait an extra hour or two for a bus during your trip, or trade that for a disability which gets you to the front of the line? Put yourselves in the other persons shoes and I'll choose waiting. I also guarantee you that the disabled person would trade with you in a heartbeat. Of course there is no need for the entire party to bypass the line but that is just a matter of courtesy (something I see less and less of these days) on the part of the offending guests.

Well said.
Thanks!

 

[Fly me with Balloons]

Sure where would you like it?

WDWO

just below my pituitary gland........

 

[SueM in MN]

Not having read every post in this thread one thing caught my eye... that of waiting on line or going through the exit.

At a park we frequent they started a new policy for people in need of special assistance which sound fair. If there is someone in you party who is unable to go through the regular line because of limited mobility, they will give you a return time based on how long the current line is. So if the line is an hour they will give you a slip that will then allow you to bypass the line an hour later. Disney could do the same. If the line is 30 minutes then you come back in 30 minutes. You would only need to do this on the rides where a person in a wheelchair/ECV is not able to go through the regular queue.

Most of the lines at WDW are wheelchair accessible, so there are very few situations where someone actually goes thru a wheelchair entrance.

WDW does already hand out slips like you are discribing.

One of the other things that people who don't use wheelchairs don't know is where people with wheelchairs go when they are taken out of the line. They assume those people who 'disappear' from the line are boarding right away, but that is not usually the case.
If they can't board at the regular boarding spot, they are pulled out of the line - usually just before the regular line gets to the boarding area.
For example, at Buzz Lightyear, the 'pull off point' is after you have gone thru the room with the large Buzz Lightyear, near the point where regular line is beginning to enter the actual boarding area. Guests with wheelchairs/ ECVs are pulled out of line at that point and sent to the exit - not to board right away, but to wait. If there are too many people with disabilities already on the attraction, you have to wait for some to get off (for fire safetly and evacuation reasons). Because our DD can't get out of her wheelchair easily, we have to wait extra for a special car that the wheelchair can be loaded on. We usually see the people who were right ahead of us in line getting off after riding while we are still waiting to board.

The Safari at AK is notorious for extra waits for people with disabilities. Our longest wait there was an EXTRA 40 minutes at a time when the regular line was walk on and Safari Trams were pulling out partially loaded because people were not walking up fast enough to fill them.

Spaceship Earth is a ride with a handicapped entrance, but during times when other passengers are able to walk right on, our wait is usually 20-30 minutes.
So, is this fair??????

Here's something I posted a number of pages back. I think it's about post 86:

AK and the Studio were built with what are called 'Mainstream Lines'. These are lines where the regular line is wheelchair/ECV accessible and a person using a wheelchair or ECV waits in the same line with everyone else.

Here's what it says in the official WDW Guidebook for Guests with Disabilities about Mainstream Lines and the list of attractions with Mainstream Queues:

The Walt Disney World® Resort strives to provide mainstream access whenever possible; that is, all Guests utilize the main entrance to the attraction. However, accessibility varies from attraction to attraction within our Parks. The Guidebook for Guests with Disabilities and Park Guidemaps use symbols to indicate boarding procedures for each attraction. In addition, Guests should contact a host or hostess at each attraction before entering.
Attractions providing mainstream queue access include the following. As you can see, most of the lines are Mainstream Queues:

Magic Kingdom® Park
Ariel's Grotto
Astro Orbiter
Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin
Donald's Boat
Judge's Tent
Mickey's Country House
Mickey's PhilharMagic
Mike Fink Keelboats (seasonal)
Minnie's Country House
Pirates of the Caribbean
Space Mountain®
Splash Mountain®
Stitch's Great Escape!™
The Barnstormer at Goofy's Wiseacres Farm
"The Enchanted Tiki Room Under New Management"
The Hall of Presidents
The Magic Carpets of Aladdin
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
The Timekeeper (seasonal)
Tomorrowland® Indy Speedway
Toontown Hall of Fame
Walt Disney's Carousel of Progress (seasonal)

Epcot®
FUTURE WORLD
Imagination!: All Attractions
Innoventions East
Innoventions West
Mission: SPACE
Test Track
The Living Seas: All Attractions
The Land: All Attractions
Universe of Energy: "Ellen's Energy Adventure"
Wonders of Life: All Attractions (seasonal)

WORLD SHOWCASE
China: "Reflections of China"
France: "Impressions de France"
FriendShip Boats
Norway: Maelstrom
The American Adventure: "The American Adventure"

Disney-MGM Studios
Disney-MGM Studios Backlot Tour
Fantasmic!
Lights, Motors, Action!™ Extreme Stunt Show
Muppet*Vision 3D
Playhouse Disney - Live On Stage!
Rock 'n' Roller Coaster® Starring Aerosmith
Sounds Dangerous - Starring Drew Carey
Star Tours
The Great Movie Ride
The Magic of Disney Animation
"The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror™"
Voyage of the Little Mermaid
Walt Disney: One Man's Dream
Who Wants To Be A Millionaire - Play It!

Disney's Animal Kingdom® Theme Park
Caravan Stage: "Flights of Wonder"
DINOSAUR
Grandmother Willow's Grove: "Pocahontas and Her forest friends"
It's Tough To Be A Bug
Kali River Rapids
Kilimanjaro Safaris
Lion King Theater: "Festival of the Lion King"
Maharajah Jungle Trek
Primeval Whirl
Theater in the Wild: "Tarzan Rocks!"
The Boneyard
TriceraTop Spin

I wanted to add that Soarin' and EE are missing from the list. They are both Mainstream Access.
And, some attractions have limited number of spots for wheelchairs. We have already shown up for shows where there was still room for ambulatory people, but the wheelchair spots were already filled for that show and we had to wait for the next one (Voyage of the Little Mermaid, where we had Fastpasses; and ITTBAB, where the CMs were practically begging people to come into the queue because there was no wait in the standby line.

 

[ChiTownZee]

.....I am now looking for one of those button making kits so I can wear it with my Disney pins. If anyone wants to give me comments or looks I will simply flash my button. Any suggestions for what to say? I was thinking "Tinkerbell says Cancer is a Bi@#h"

What do you think?......

I don't think so unless you're going to make sure that kids never see the button. I don't think Tinkerbell or any other Disney characters would say cancer, or anything else is a B.