School year is 'officially' open, again

[Imzadi]

You need to separate our the local ABC affiliate (who may be, but probably isn't owned by ABC) with the network ABC. Based on the time of your post, I'm assuming you're talking about the local affiliate.

This is good, because you can look up their phone number or contact information online and call the station and express your displeasure.

Thanks! Great distinction. I will definitely be writing to the local news affiliate right now. I want to hear about the 17 victims, how are they doing?

 

[neverlandsky]

One thing I’ve noticed due to the recent suspects ages is that they were part of the “Covid lost generation”-classes of 2020-2024.
Fundamental educational, social, and emotional development was significantly disrupted during this period.

Possibly a contributing factor as well? It will be interesting to see how the classes 2020-2024 are studied.

Being a parent of class 21 & 23, there were some extremely tough times with kids & their peers being denied high school events, rite of passage, & milestones. There’s also been an increased of suicides as well for classes 2020-2024.

 

[CdnCarrie]

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Can we not always take over a thread with how other countries are? It's honestly disrespectful

 

[easyas123]

Can we not always take over a thread with how other countries are? It's honestly disrespectful

Agreed. Not helpful at all.

 

[Buzz Rules]

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Do you ever have anything nice to say about our country? Honestly, most posts I see from you about the USA is just a bunch of criticisms.

 

[jennab]

Can we not always take over a thread with how other countries are? It's honestly disrespectful

But isn’t it relevant here? Why is it other countries don’t seem to have this problem, but the US does? Shouldn’t we be trying to determine how to fix this?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

But isn’t it relevant here? Why is it other countries don’t seem to have this problem, but the US does? Shouldn’t we be trying to determine how to fix this?

It's not always relevant to every single thing, is usually done by the same one or two posters becomes an US vs THEM and done in a way to be more smug it's more of a detractor on the thread to the very sad situation. Plus you've also been on the DIS for a long time so I'm assuming you saw these conversations happened so much and so in depth in past where all of that was discussed ad nauseum, it's just yeah can we not always do that. It's not at all about looking at what X does when something bad happens to any one particular country, ethnic group, nationality, religion, etc

 

[jennab]

It's not always relevant to every single thing, is usually done by the same one or two posters becomes an US vs THEM and done in a way to be more smug it's more of a detractor on the thread to the very sad situation. Plus you've also been on the DIS for a long time so I'm assuming you saw these conversations happened so much and so in depth in past where all of that was discussed ad nauseum, it's just yeah can we not always do that. It's not at all about looking at what X does when something bad happens to any one particular country, ethnic group, nationality, religion, etc

I’ve been on the DIS a long time, but only came to the community/CT boards about 9mo ago. So I may not have noticed what you are saying.

I personally don’t think it’s bad to look at why other places don’t have this problem but the US does. I mean, it should be considered… I’d like to think that would be an actual conversation though, not someone trying to be smug about it.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I’ve been on the DIS a long time, but only came to the community/CT boards about 9mo ago. So I may not have noticed what you are saying.

I personally don’t think it’s bad to look at why other places don’t have this problem but the US does. I mean, it should be considered… I’d like to think that would be an actual conversation though, not someone trying to be smug about it.

It was heavily discussed ever since I joined in 2015, trust me people have been talking about it, we used to talk about it very in-depthly before the pandemic (when conversations became harder to discuss with the environment). Don't take my comment to mean it's not something to be talked about, it just has already on the DIS a lot already. And if your only contribution for the most part to a thread is "look at how well my country is" it's disrespectful to the situation (and it's in virtually every thread that one or two specific posters do this).

Now that there is the controversial board I think if someone wishes to discuss to their heart's content how well some other country does it and how poorly another does it that could be discussed with the parameters that allows for a different type of dialogue.

 

[kdonnel]

But isn’t it relevant here? Why is it other countries don’t seem to have this problem, but the US does? Shouldn’t we be trying to determine how to fix this?

The freakonomics podcast had a series on how America is different.

Here is one of the episodes:
The U.S. Is Just Different — So Let’s Stop Pretending We’re Not
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/american-culture-1/

I remember it being interesting but I listened 4 years ago so I don't remember specifics. While I don't remember it covering school shootings directly, I think it did offer up some theories as to why you can't just copy other countries policies and expect them to work in America.

An AI summary of the themes in the podcast:

The Freakonomics Radio podcast episode titled "The U.S. Is Just Different — So Let's Stop Pretending We're Not" explores why American culture and societal structures are so unique that simply transplanting policies from other countries often doesn't work. The episode argues that the United States is culturally "weird" compared to other nations, affecting how policies are implemented and their effectiveness, particularly in areas like education, healthcare, and infrastructure.

Here's a breakdown of the episode's central themes:

• Cultural Uniqueness (WEIRDness):
  The episode posits that the U.S. is a uniquely "WEIRD" nation (Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic), which fundamentally impacts its approach to and reception of various policies and social experiments.
• Policy Transferability:
  The core argument is that smart policies developed in other cultures or countries may not be effective or suitable for the American context because of these deep-seated cultural differences.
• American Exceptionalism:
  The episode encourages a more realistic understanding of the U.S., acknowledging its cultural peculiarities rather than assuming it's a universal model for other nations to emulate or a blank slate to apply foreign solutions to.
• Inspiration from Other Nations:
  While acknowledging the cultural differences, the episode still suggests looking to other nations for ideas, but with a critical understanding that these ideas must be adapted to the American context to be successful.

 

[jennab]

It was heavily discussed ever since I joined in 2015, trust me people have been talking about it, we used to talk about it very in-depthly before the pandemic (when conversations became harder to discuss with the environment). Don't take my comment to mean it's not something to be talked about, it just has already on the DIS a lot already. And if your only contribution for the most part to a thread is "look at how well my country is" it's disrespectful to the situation (and it's in virtually every thread that one or two specific posters do this).

Now that there is the controversial board I think if someone wishes to discuss to their heart's content how well some other country does it and how poorly another does it that could be discussed with the parameters that allows for a different type of dialogue.

I can see how you would feel this way then based on previous conversations and situations. Since I haven’t been around as long, it didn’t come across that way to me.

 

[LilyWDW]

It was heavily discussed ever since I joined in 2015, trust me people have been talking about it, we used to talk about it very in-depthly before the pandemic (when conversations became harder to discuss with the environment). Don't take my comment to mean it's not something to be talked about, it just has already on the DIS a lot already. And if your only contribution for the most part to a thread is "look at how well my country is" it's disrespectful to the situation (and it's in virtually every thread that one or two specific posters do this).

Now that there is the controversial board I think if someone wishes to discuss to their heart's content how well some other country does it and how poorly another does it that could be discussed with the parameters that allows for a different type of dialogue.

I agree. Been around awhile myself and have always been on the Community Board. There are some people who take tragedies like this and just have to post about "how much better" their country is. Can looking at how other countries keep this from helping possibly help us in the US? Yes. Does the gloating and memes need to be a part of that? No. Especially in a thread discussing children being killed.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

One thing I’ve noticed due to the recent suspects ages is that they were part of the “Covid lost generation”-classes of 2020-2024.
Fundamental educational, social, and emotional development was significantly disrupted during this period.

Possibly a contributing factor as well? It will be interesting to see how the classes 2020-2024 are studied.

Being a parent of class 21 & 23, there were some extremely tough times with kids & their peers being denied high school events, rite of passage, & milestones. There’s also been an increased of suicides as well for classes 2020-2024.

It is an interesting thing to think about. I think we were all affected by the pandemic but when I think back to how my school years (including college) I have a hard time thinking what life would have been like if I had to adapt to the way the pandemic had people doing so.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I read an update this morning that said the suspect had written they had indiscriminate hate towards a variety of groups (Black, Mexican, Jewish, Christian (that is my emphasis), etc as well as an overwhelming (the investigators used the word obsessed) desire to specifically hurt children. Glorification of past shooters/shootings was mentioned as well.

The hurting of children in such a specified thought is one of the worst things I have ever read.

 

[jennab]

I read an update this morning that said the suspect had written they had indiscriminate hate towards a variety of groups (Black, Mexican, Jewish, Christian (that is my emphasis), etc as well as an overwhelming (the investigators used the word obsessed) desire to specifically hurt children. Glorification of past shooters/shootings was mentioned as well.

The hurting of children in such a specified thought is one of the worst things I have ever read.

Yes, there were also homophobic writings. Other reports say journals show the shooter had obsession with school shootings since 7th grade. Previous classmates said the shooter was odd and would do things like hail Hitler behind teachers backs and talk about school shootings. Sounds like mentally unstable since at least middle school…. Makes me wonder if people just didn’t take the shooter’s ramblings serious or what.

ETA - report that shooter had 2 other places listed out as well (not schools or churches), but decided on the church because he could get more innocent children

 

[Disneylover99]

Yes, there were also homophobic writings. Other reports say journals show the shooter had obsession with school shootings since 7th grade. Previous classmates said the shooter was odd and would do things like hail Hitler behind teachers backs and talk about school shootings. Sounds like mentally unstable since at least middle school…. Makes me wonder if people just didn’t take the shooter’s ramblings serious or what.

ETA - report that shooter had 2 other places listed out as well (not schools or churches), but decided on the church because he could get more innocent children

Sounds like the shooter’s mom is lawyering up now. I wonder what alarming things she knew about over the years and just brushed off. I bet she’s thinking that she may be charged like the Crumbley’s were charged last year with involuntary manslaughter when their son shot up a school.

 

[jennab]

Sounds like the shooter’s mom is lawyering up now. I wonder what alarming things she knew about over the years and just brushed off. I bet she’s thinking that she may be charged like the Crumbley’s were charged last year with involuntary manslaughter when their son shot up a school.

But how would the mom be charged when the shooter was an adult who legally purchased weapons? I don’t think the shooter even lived with her.

 

[Disneylover99]

But how would the mom be charged when the shooter was an adult who legally purchased weapons? I don’t think the shooter even lived with her.

Good point. I don’t know.
I’m just wondering if there were things she knew over the years or quite recently that she could have/should have reported.

 

[jennab]

Good point. I don’t know.
I’m just wondering if there were things she knew over the years or quite recently that she could have/should have reported.

There could be. Sounds like PD was called to their home years ago a few times, but it was thought to be for another one of the children, not the shooter.

She could just be lawyering up “just in case”. Nowadays almost seems like one has to…