Run Over BY ECV

[KPeveler]

I agree 100%. Sometimes its difficult for me to "put down" on a keyboard exacly how i feel or want to say it.

I have just had a lot more experience trying to explain these things, as i am disabled myself... nothing like living it to give you a real feel for things!

 

[Mickiethepooh]

this is true, but i think some of it got "grandfathered" in.

ah well, disney is still one of the best places for the disabled to go. disney is going to be the one place i can go and not worry about the real world!

LOL yeah right, no Disney having non compliant store aisles because they put out too much merchandise on movable displays is not grandfathered.

Nor is any other normal sized store, a very few MOM and POP type stores are.

Every once in a while someone goes to the trouble to sue these companies, Sears and Pennys come to mind and then for a period of time they stop filling the aisles but over time it creeps back till the next person sues them over non compliance.

 

[KPeveler]

i think a lot of the problem is just people not having experience. i think if disney execs (the people who plan the stores) had to spend one day in their parks in a wheelchair (an ultra-light manual that they have to push) and a day in their scooters/ECVs, I think that would teach them a lot. its not as easy as it looks, and it certainly is not "fun." I think a day of not fitting in stores and staring at people's behinds all day would make them think about things again,

 

[Mickiethepooh]

Quick history lesson. Jim Fixx died of a heart attack while on a run, so I can't figure out how he would play into a discussion about runners needing ecv's later in life. Also, before he started started running, the man was overweight and smoked two packs a day. That might have somewhat contributed to his heart attack. Also, his family had a history of heart disease as evidenced by his father dying in his forties from a heart attack.

If the point is that some people who run wind up in ecv's, then why is this the only point that is brought up? I can think of countless reasons that would be more likely to land someone in an ECV. Number one being obesity, which running easily prevents.

No one ought to be taking a shot at running or runners in a society like ours that has such obesity problems.

The comment was just on one example I am very personally familiar with as to a reason that many baby boomers NOW need assitance devices of many kinds it was not a shot at runners.

 

[Spectro is #1]

So true. From now on, we mustn't post anything unless it's about Crocs, your favorite hidden MK secret or the wand coming off Spaceship Earth. Complaints about attractions that will be closed during your visit are also still allowed, but you may only mention it once per day. And please search for an existing post. Don't you dare open a new one about the same topic someone posted about 9 months ago. And PLEASE - don't create ANY posts that contain ANYTHING close to a personal opinion that might actually generate a deep, intellectual, healthy debate. Warm and fuzzy and utterly pointless is much better for us all.

Brovo!

 

[Spectro is #1]

We've made it to page 7 without a shutdown for those that placed bets.

I'm still biting my tongue and holing out for a shut down.

 

[Spectro is #1]

Problem is, The majority of folks who use ecv's DONT need them. IMHO, Obesity is NO excuse. It CAN be controlled. Alot of other folks are just plain taking advantage of things. NOW, The folks that TRULY need them; I have all the respect in the world. The problem is, The folks that really need them are a major minority compared to the folks who use them due to lazyness or some ridiculous excuse. Its just a shame that they are abused. Handicapped parking spaces.....Dont get me going on them. There IS a proven way to control your weight..Less intake and MORE exercise..It works EVERY time!

Wow this isn't enough? My comments wern't this strong and I got a ECV thread shutdown.

 

[Forevryoung]

Well worded, but comaparing it to the holocaust is a stretch! And although I agree with your overall idea, I disagree that all or even most of the people in ECV's in WDW are disabled to the level of obatining a handicapped parking pass.

Actually, not a stretch. It's a fact of the past (and in some places present) that children with disabilities would be sterilized so they couldn't have children or killed in infancy.

Or how about just the fact that society locked them away so they couldn't be seen or heard from.

This was occuring during the 1980's- not all that long ago.

If you don't believe me look up the book "I Raise My Eyes to Say Yes" by Ruth Sienkiewicz-Mercer (amazing story) or google the Disability Rights Movement.

 

[NYDisGuy]

Actually, not a stretch. It's a fact of the past (and in some places present) that children with disabilities would be sterilized so they couldn't have children or killed in infancy.

Or how about just the fact that society locked them away so they couldn't be seen or heard from.

This was occuring during the 1980's- not all that long ago.

If you don't believe me look up the book "I Raise My Eyes to Say Yes" by Ruth Sienkiewicz-Mercer (amazing story) or google the Disability Rights Movement.

Your taking the OP's words out of context. The OP said that ECV's shouldn't be allowed in, not the people in them, nor did they say that the people in them should be enslaved or murdered. It's outrageous to even suggest that. I live in NY and I know many places where they do not allow motorized vehicles in, they supply wheelchairs or walkers for everyone's safety. It is not prejudice whatsoever.

 

[mickeymyfavorite]

 

[waltfan1957]

Problem is, The majority of folks who use ecv's DONT need them. IMHO,!

well now we have a doctor posting just as a point of interest how do you know is it x ray vision or do you have another super power

 

[Spectro is #1]

Robo this is got to be killing you

 

[Robo]

Robo this is got to be killing you

I am wearing my No-Posting spandex leotard.

 

[mr.alec]

well now we have a doctor posting just as a point of interest how do you know is it x ray vision or do you have another super power

Its my opinion and just like disabled parking spaces the majority..IMHO abuse the priviledge.I though i made my point a few posts back.

 

[Spectro is #1]

Its my opinion and just like disabled parking spaces the majority..IMHO abuse the priviledge.I though i made my point a few posts back.

The incident mirrors rampant handicapped placard abuse exposed by a yearlong investigation by the inspector general's office, the Registry of Motor Vehicles and Boston Police. Officials tracked 965 disability placards and found that 49 of those were registered to dead people — and 300 were used by someone other than the handicapped person.

"I was appalled by it," said Registrar Anne Collins. "Even a single instance of misuse is terrible because it really is like stealing from the handicapped."

Just for the record I am not posting, just providing facts from a newspaper story written this week in Massachusetts. In no way am I participating in offering an opinion.

 

[Alicnwondrln]

I didnt read the whole thread, but I used to work at a Bath and Body back when it was all barrels and gingham and everything had to be set so that strollers and wheelchairs could get around with ease.
Stores are small and tight, when i see a wheelchair ECV or stroller coming I move and make room.
I feel lucky I dont need one.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

From the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1999:

No individual shall be discriminated against on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation.

A "place of public accommodation" is any private entity whose operation affects commerce. That's basically any establishment where money is exchanged for goods and/or services.

While the ADA doesn't explicitly define ECV's, its clauses define discriminatory actions to include "the failure to take such steps as may be necessary to ensure that no individual with a disability is excluded, denied services, segregated or otherwise treated differently than other individuals because of the absence of auxiliary aids and services." Banning ECV's would create the absence of auxiliary aids and is, thus, discrimanatory.

 

[Robo]

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[Spectro is #1]

 

[GemmaPixie]

Robo- we don't mind if you post.