Rumors that Disney is in negotiations to sell Star Wars back to George Lucas!

[PolymerSkywalker]

Thank you, not that it matters. This is like talking to a wall.

Because you are so open to others ideas and thoughts right? If I am a wall, you are iron battle ship hull.

 

[BrianL]

A large part of OT fans disagree with you on this, and the majority of Luke Skywalker fans disagree with you on this matter. Once again, I understand what you think, I understand your logic, you articulated it well, and I am plenty intelligent enough to follow your thought process. I just personally feel you are completely and utterly dead wrong about it.

You are not aligned with a large portion of the fanbase on this, and you seem to really struggle with that for some reason. I am not trying to be mean, but you are not suddenly going to enlighten me to your way of thinking on this matter, because I think it is utterly false. I get that you have an echo chamber on here of a bunch of people that think like you, but that still doesn't make this thought the norm for SW fans.

I'M the one in an "echo chamber?" Wow.

A large protion of the fans agree with me too on certian things too. I also agree with some gorups of fans on some things and disagree on others. It's not a measurable, binary split. Many fans who do like TLJ hate TROS. I like BOTH - what a concept. I form my own opinions and always have.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

The new direction happens whether you like it or not. You either accept it or stop watching. If it bothers you so much then you have options instead of seemingly being irritated.

So I am correct that you are unwilling to do what you are asking me to do, did I read that right?

 

[mdmost]

Because you are so open to others ideas and thoughts right? If I am a wall, you are iron battle ship hull.

I'm open to ideas. My best friend was not a fan of the Last Jedi and we talked extensively about it. I completely understand where he's coming from because he's not echoing alt-right, incel based talking points and grievance politics over a changing world.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

I'M the one in an "echo chamber?" Wow.

A large protion of the fans agree with me too on certian things too. I also agree with some gorups of fans on some things and disagree on others. It's not a measurable, binary split. Many fans who do like TLJ hate TROS. I like BOTH - what a concept. I form my own opinions and always have.

This board is an echo chamber and you know it Brian, you are just acting silly now. The fact that I am here interacting with people of drastically different thoughts than me suggest I am way more open to others ideas.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

I'm open to ideas. My best friend was not a fan of the Last Jedi and we talked extensively about it. I completely understand where he's coming from because he's not echoing alt-right, incel based talking points and grievance politics over a changing world.

But yet you label me Alt Right because you don't agree with me. Yep, you are clearly very open minded.

 

[BrianL]

Well, THIS BOARD isn't where I live my life (even if it seem slike it ). I form my own opinions. I walked out of The Phantom Menace absolutely LOVING it! I was beaming, overjoyed. Then the Internet told me I should hate it. I still don't. I was happy coming out of all of the Star Wars movies, despite what I supposed to be thinking.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

I'm open to ideas. My best friend was not a fan of the Last Jedi and we talked extensively about it. I completely understand where he's coming from because he's not echoing alt-right, incel based talking points and grievance politics over a changing world.

Your friend sounds like a very smart dude by the way.

 

[Moliphino]

This board is an echo chamber and you know it Brian, you are just acting silly now. The fact that I am here interacting with people of drastically different thoughts than me suggest I am way more open to others ideas.

Except you don't actually seem open to anyone else's ideas. You just argue against them.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Well, THIS BOARD isn't where I live my life (even if it seem slike it ). I form my own opinions. I walked out of The Phantom Menace absolutely LOVING it! I was beaming, overjoyed. Then the Internet told me I should hate it. I still don't. I was happy coming out of all of the Star Wars movies, despite what I supposed to be thinking.

And I do the same exact things! I loved TFA, absolutely loved it. I hated TLJ, absolutely hated it. I thought TROS was ok, and felt sorry for JJ for having to trying fix all of the stupid crap Rian Johnson did.

Those are my opinions, not some guy in a helmet that you assume I watch on youtube before I form my opinions. The fact that I am on here talking with others that disagree with me pretty much proves I don't live in a echo chamber.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Except you don't actually seem open to anyone else's ideas. You just argue against them.

I'm more open than several on here that disagree with me are. I'm here, aren't I?

 

[BrianL]

And I do the same exact things! I loved TFA, absolutely loved it. I hated TLJ, absolutely hated it. I thought TROS was ok, and felt sorry for JJ for having to trying fix all of the stupid crap Rian Johnson did.

Those are my opinions, not some guy in a helmet that you assume I watch on youtube before I form my opinions. The fact that I am on here talking with others that disagree with me pretty much proves I don't live in a echo chamber.

But you use the exact same talking points when you argue. It's one thing to take issue with how Luke's character was written. It's one thing to think that Rey wasn't a fully fleshed-out character. But when you assert that Luke was "destroyed" because he is a male and the people making the movies don't like males and only want to elevate females so they make all the femal characters super great at everything - that's just irrational projecting. That's the issue.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

But you use the exact same talking points when you argue. It's one thing to take issue with how Luke's character was written. It's one thing to think that Rey wasn't a fully fleshed-out character. But when you assert that Luke was "destroyed" because he is a male and the people making the movies don't like males and only want to elevate females so they make all the femal characters super great at everything - that's just irrational projecting. That's the issue.

Why does that matter? you use the exact same talking points as Leiaorgana does on here on many topics, are all your thoughts just copied from her? Do you go to her to find out what you should think, after you view something?
I disagree with you on this topic, it's as simple as that. I agree with you on several things on here, but not this one.

Everyone knew Luke had to go and make way for the new characters. We just had a massive issue with him going out as a deconstructed loser, that abandoned all he believed in from the OT. You don't have to make Luke a loser to get people to like Rey, it was a bad plan.

There are literally pics of KK and her female team at Lucasfilm with Tshirts on saying "The Force Is Female". So when I see that and then see my childhood hero utterly and completely deconstructed on screen, it strongly suggests to me it was a deliberate effort to "let the past die, kill it if you have to". Then when every new character that is a strong and heroic lead in the movies is female, it seems like it is indeed a plan. Rey had tons of potential, she was just so incredibly poorly written. She was too overpowered, she was too good at everything for no logical reason, she had zero hero's journey, she essentially zero struggles or failures, everyone immediately loved her on screen for no logical reason, she had massive amounts of plot armor, and she had almost no character arc. Sorry I don't relate to a character like that, none of them no matter their gender. Rey is a very poorly written character, it's really that simple to me. Her being the current trend of a "strong female lead" is not important. She is a poorly constructed character period.

When I see pics of Lucasfilm creatives office and there is clearly a picture of Luke with a red X drawn over his face, am I to believe the studio loves and adores this legacy character like I do? Just another coincidence right and I am reading way to much into this right?

If they turn around and do the exact same thing to Indy to allow PWB to remain as the lead, do you think possibly there might be something to their being a plan? Or is this all still completely organically happening?

 

[BrianL]

I disagree. Everyone knew Luke had to go and make way for the new characters. We just had a massive issue with him going out as a deconstructed loser, that abandoned all he believed in the OT. You don't have to make Luke a loser to get people to like Rey, it was a bad plan.

There are literally pics of KK and her female team at Lucasfilm with Tshirts on saying "The Force Is Female". So when I see that and then see my childhood hero utterly and completely deconstructed on screen, it strongly suggests to me it was a deliberate effort to "let the past die, kill it if you have to". Then when every new character that is a strong and heroic lead in the movies is female, it seems like it is indeed a plan. Rey had tons of potential, she was just so incredibly poorly written. She was too overpowered, she was too good at everything for no logical reason, she had zero hero's journey, she essentially zero struggles or failures, everyone immediately loved her on screen for no logical reason, she had massive amounts of plot armor, and she had almost no character arc. Sorry I don't relate to a character like that, none of them no matter their gender. Rey is a very poorly written character, it's really that simple to me. Her being the current trend of a "strong female lead" is not important. She is a poorly constructed character period.

When I see pics of Lucasfilm creatives office and there is clearly a picture of Luke with a red X drawn over his face, am I to believe the studio loves and adores this legacy character like I do? Just another coincidence right and I am reading way to much into this right?

If they turn around and do the exact same thing to Indy to allow PWB to remain as the lead, do you think possibly there might be something to their being a plan? Or is this all still completely organically happening?

You really need to give that "Red X" thing a break. I had never heard of it and looked it up, and all it is is that some employee decorates his cubicle with "pro-Empire" stuff. That poster has a big picture of Vader, and he X'd out Luke. This is a male employee too. Consider that nonesnes debunked.

It's also not some great female conspiracy. Granted they probably wanted to push some females to the forefront becuase they hadn't dont that before. That does not mean tearkign down the males, etc. Your issues are specificall with Luke and Rey - that's understandable. But suppose Rey were a male? Would you still think there is a concerted effort? They just want to push the new characters, and many happen to be female becuase they wanted to change it up. But sure, KK and all the people who work for hate men - even the men!

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

But you use the exact same talking points when you argue. It's one thing to take issue with how Luke's character was written. It's one thing to think that Rey wasn't a fully fleshed-out character. But when you assert that Luke was "destroyed" because he is a male and the people making the movies don't like males and only want to elevate females so they make all the femal characters super great at everything - that's just irrational projecting. That's the issue.

I didn't say that, but you read exactly what you want to hear regardless of what I write.

Point by point I have given you exactly what I don't like about how Luke was treated, but you want to simplify it all to I hate females. It's simply not true.

How can I hate female characters and still love?

Ellen Ripley
Princess Leia
Katniss Everdeen

 

[BrianL]

I didn't say that, but you read exactly what you want to hear regardless of what I write.

Point by point I have given you exactly what I don't like about how Luke was treated, but you want to simplify it all to I hate females. It's simply not true.

How can I hate female characters and still love?

Ellen Ripley
Princess Leia
Katniss Everdeen

I didn't say that you hate all female characters, I said that you think the REASON behind the way it was written was to denegrate the male characters and elevate the females, as some kind of personal vendetta on the part of the women who work at Lucasfilm. My advice? Stop buying into that nonsense.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

This pic debunked also?

 

[mdmost]

And yet the people who "deconstructed" Luke were JJ Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, and Rian Johnson. All men. JJ is the one who set up Luke as the disillusioned person, a plot point he cribbed from George Lucas' treatment for the sequel trilogy. Everyone was going to make Luke a disillusioned older character.

And The Force is Female was a Nike ad campaign for the Air Force shoe line. Not an official position of Lucasfilm. She probably saw the shirt and loved it.

 

[HokieRaven5]

I disagree. Everyone knew Luke had to go and make way for the new characters. We just had a massive issue with him going out as a deconstructed loser, that abandoned all he believed in the OT. You don't have to make Luke a loser to get people to like Rey, it was a bad plan.

JJ made him look that way IMO. He took Luke Skywalker, the individual who abandoned training to risk his life against one of the most evil people in the Galaxy to save his friends, and made him into someone who just disappears from the galaxy and chooses to not show up at a time when one of his best friends is about to be killed by his own son.

He can confidently confront Vader and the Emperor, but some new evil leader and his Nephew are so much for him that he must go away into hiding and abandon everything he once fought for?

 

[BrianL]

And yet the people who "deconstructed" Luke were JJ Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, and Rian Johnson. All men. JJ is the one who set up Luke as the disillusioned person, a plot point he cribbed from George Lucas' treatment for the sequel trilogy. Everyone was going to make Luke a disillusioned older character.

And The Force is Female was a Nike ad campaign for the Air Force shoe line. Not an official position of Lucasfilm. She probably saw the shirt and loved it.

Right. The people wearing them are women. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean males can't be the Force too.