Rumor of more cutbacks

Oglet

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I heard a rumor today that the castle will not be lit up with all lights like it has been previous years for Christmas. According to the source/s (not bus drivers) Disney are planing something with their projectors rather than using the lighting.

I have no idea how much truth their is to this, has anyone heard anything similar?
 
According to other posts on the disboards, the installation of the castle dreamlights will begin 9/12/11 and will be completed on 9/26/11.

There is a "memories" show which is projected on the castle exterior each evening.
 
Dream Lights are listed as a feature for MVMCP.. I should have looked more into it before posting.

But hey, it is a rumor board :)
 

Actually, I am surprised to see your post. There IS (very behind the scenes) rumor about them getting rid of the Christmas lights on the castle (although not this year). They ARE testing a NEW projection system, NOT to be confused with the one being used for the memories show, this one is BETTER and looks AMAZING.
 
Explain to me how replacing the lights with a new projection system is a "cutback", please? If anything it might be an upgrade, not a cutback. The new projector systems are unbelievable and can do incredible, mind-blowing things. How could that possibly be a cutback vs. static lights - no matter how great the lights look?
 
Bad rumor! Bad! Down Boy!

Since the crane is now in place to put up the lights - it's clearly not true.
 
Actually, I am surprised to see your post. There IS (very behind the scenes) rumor about them getting rid of the Christmas lights on the castle (although not this year). They ARE testing a NEW projection system, NOT to be confused with the one being used for the memories show, this one is BETTER and looks AMAZING.

This is the one that has me wondering. Maybe my source was just off by a year :P
 
This is the one that has me wondering. Maybe my source was just off by a year :P
Maybe. In a way I kinda hope it's not true. But my source (not a bus driver either, lol) was very enthusiastic about it. He got to see them testing it out one night (long after guests were gone ofcourse) and was MAJORLY impressed. Said he saw all sorts of stuff, like the castle became a coloring book type sketch and it really looked like it was really like that, and the castle get "painted" with brush strokes and it was convincingly realistic, etc etc. And apparently the talk of the night was that it was going to replace the christmas lights as well as all other sorts of stuff, yada yada. And my reaction was "no! Not the christmas lights!" And I tried to dismiss him as delusional, lol. But then I saw your post here too. Hm.
It better be darn good! Lol.
 
Explain to me how replacing the lights with a new projection system is a "cutback", please? If anything it might be an upgrade, not a cutback. The new projector systems are unbelievable and can do incredible, mind-blowing things. How could that possibly be a cutback vs. static lights - no matter how great the lights look?

Because to most people on these boards any type of change is a cutback. If they take out a D ticket attraction to put in an E ticket attraction (which isn't theme'd the way they want) it is a downgrade/cutback.
 
Because to most people on these boards any type of change is a cutback. If they take out a D ticket attraction to put in an E ticket attraction (which isn't theme'd the way they want) it is a downgrade/cutback.

That is because usually it is.
 
Because to most people on these boards any type of change is a cutback. If they take out a D ticket attraction to put in an E ticket attraction (which isn't theme'd the way they want) it is a downgrade/cutback.

I don't quite think that is the case here. At first thought it does SOUND like a cutback. I mean, come on, replacing something that is done with thousands of physical lights with something that just makes it look like they are there? It SOUNDS just as hokey, cheesy, and cheap as saying they are going to remove Walt and Mickey's statue and replace it with a hologram.

If I went up to some random joe on the street who knows nothing about the potential prospects of projection systems and told them, "hey, disney is getting rid of the lights and just going to shine them on the castle with a projector." They'd probably think I was crazy. Maybe their mind harkens back to those projectors our teachers had to drag in every now and then.

So forgive me that even people like me, and oglet, who KNOW to some degree how modern and such today's projection systems can be, seeing the memories show, etc are still slightly skeptical. . . .I mean really, that's nice, but it's not THAT good. Not good enough to replace their current LED setup.

Now, yes, the reality is with systems they are creating now there are things they can do that they would never be able to replicate with a physical set up, but that takes testing, and tweaking,, which is what they are doing. And also why it is not going to be this year, and who knows for sure if it could be next. Because yes, the knee jerk reaction is like mine and oglets, so disney knows they need to have something amazing worked out before it goes public so that it can be viewed as the plus that it CAN be, and not look like a cheap cost saving manuever so they don't have to pay for lights to be installed, . Because yes, some people at Disney do still care about the "magic".
 
I have to laugh at myself a little. After re-reading what I wrote my example is more perfect than I thought. Lol.
Cause ya, if someone told me they were taking out walt's statue and replacing it with a hologram, well, i'd be appalled. But then if they told me that with today's setups it not only would look like it was really there but they could make it randomly do things sporadicly, likke make Mickey wink or wave at people, etc. Well, that would be a plus in my book. Not a smidgeon of truth or possibility in what I am saying about the statue. . . But it is just like the lights. At first glance it sounds cheap and like a cutback, but when you start taking in to account it's true potential, then it becomes the plus. :)
 
Most people don't like change. And when it comes to WDW, they REALLY don't like change. However, I have to say, I was real skeptical about the Magic, Memories, & You show. But once I saw it I was really impressed with what they were able to do. So I think there is a lot of potential in what they can do with this technology. So, instead of just the traditional lights (which, yes, are fantastic) they can do much more holiday-themed stuff on the castle. And they then can do things for all other holidays and events that they couldn't do before. And if they can also realize some savings, all the better.
 
Because to most people on these boards any type of change is a cutback. If they take out a D ticket attraction to put in an E ticket attraction (which isn't theme'd the way they want) it is a downgrade/cutback.

Please tell me when they have ever replaced a D with an E?
 
Please tell me when they have ever replaced a D with an E?

Horizons -> Mission Space
World of Motion -> Test Track
Food Rocks -> Soarin
WWTBAM -> Toy Story Mania

(Class the first in each list however you wish but none of them were "E"s and their replacements certainly are.)
 
Horizons -> Mission Space
World of Motion -> Test Track
Food Rocks -> Soarin
WWTBAM -> Toy Story Mania

(Class the first in each list however you wish but none of them were "E"s and their replacements certainly are.)

Well

Horizons and WOM were both E's so that's an E replacing an E. Food Rocks was a C at best and WWTBM is also a C.

So none of this examples work.
 
Well

Horizons and WOM were both E's so that's an E replacing an E. Food Rocks was a C at best and WWTBM is also a C.

So none of this examples work.

:rotfl: Way to miss the point entirely.

Ticket books were phased out in the late 70s so none of the Epcot, DHS or DAK attractions were ever classed under the old system.

I understand that attractions like Horizons and World of Motion are remembered fondly by many guests but if you're claiming that they belong in the same class with TT and M:S, just come right out and say it so I can move beyond this insanity to something more productive.

Class attractions however you wish. The point being made in both TisBit's post any my own is that Disney HAS replaced older attractions with more dynamic, more thrilling experiences.
 
:rotfl: Way to miss the point entirely.

Ticket books were phased out in the late 70s so none of the Epcot, DHS or DAK attractions were ever classed under the old system.

I understand that attractions like Horizons and World of Motion are remembered fondly by many guests but if you're claiming that they belong in the same class with TT and M:S, just come right out and say it so I can move beyond this insanity to something more productive.

Class attractions however you wish. The point being made in both TisBit's post any my own is that Disney HAS replaced older attractions with more dynamic, more thrilling experiences.

You do realize it doesn't have to be a thrill ride to be an E.

MS has been a complete failure for one. Horizons was the biggest dark ride ever created by Disney so I'd say MS is nit in the same class as Horizons.

Also TSM draws like an but is in no way shape or form an E.
 
I think under the old system Horizons, World of Motion and Food Rocks would have been E tickets. There's no right answer to this, so all anyone can do is guess -- but when you consider that Country Bears, Pirates and it's a small world were all true E tickets, it's not hard to make the leap.

That said, I really enjoy Mission: Space and while I know many people have fond memories of Horizons I felt like it was a badly dated attraction. And I don't know anyone who would pick Food Rocks over Soarin or Millionaire over TSM.

In any case, the idea that some people complain no matter what kind of attraction opens to replace whatever else is just a cop-out -- a way to issue a blanket dismissal of valid and reasonable criticism without actually addressing them.
 


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