Rumor by agent - Blue Card min. going up

[CraigInPA]

Wow, what a great idea. DVC where you walk right into a park. How about building a new park with a DVC attached to it. Now we are talking something really unique. Ya, I know, Disney will not be building another park in my lifetime but I cannot help that this idea brings a gleem to my eye. To heck with $200 a point, can we say $300 a point????

Who says it has to be a new park?

There is land around Epcot to put a new entrance in World Showcase.

There is land near Tomorrowland where the "Persian Hotel" was originally planned, but never built.

AK has LOTS of land around it. It would be kind of cool to enter the park next to Pandora.

The large building in Animation Courtyard (Star Wars Launch Bay) could come down to fit in a hotel with a direct park entrance next to Hollywood Studios.

But, I see none of these happening because Disney has always distanced their hotels from the parks in Florida, unlike in space-constrained California and elsewhere.

 

[zavandor]

I'm just saying that I miss the free Valet. Nothing else. So as the song says. Let it go, Let if go....LOL...

It would be "free" valet in the same sense the "free" dining plan is free. It would really be paid with dues. This way, instead, who wants it can pay for it, who doesn't is not forced to pay.

 

[Dean]

I'm just saying that I miss the free Valet. Nothing else. So as the song says. Let it go, Let if go....LOL...

OK, but you still have access to valet parking if needed.

 

[CastAStone]

Wow, what a great idea. DVC where you walk right into a park. How about building a new park with a DVC attached to it. Now we are talking something really unique. Ya, I know, Disney will not be building another park in my lifetime but I cannot help that this idea brings a gleem to my eye. To heck with $200 a point, can we say $300 a point????

The idea that would really break people on direct points is if Disney built a third US resort, with a DVC right next to it. Which they should do, since they have all of their money invested in an earthquake zone and a increasingly hot swamp.

If they built Disney’s Frozen® Kingdom in Wisconsin or Buffalo you know we’d want points to stay there with.

 

[i<3riviera]

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[CastAStone]

combined with Star Wars: The Hoth Experience

This is a good idea. Disney should hire us.

 

[cm8]

Does having to buy 25 more points really change your (the general you) intent to buy in? I just don’t see how that’s a deal breaker for some. Is it the overall expense? I don’t want to say it’s “just 25 “ more points because I know it can break someone else’s bank. Are the ones who are against it wanting to pay cash and therefore it’s an added expense you don’t want at this time? I’m just curious.

 

[MICKIMINI]

How about New Hampshire?? "Frozen" will fit right in!

 

[CastAStone]

Does having to buy 25 more points really change your (the general you) intent to buy in? I just don’t see how that’s a deal breaker for some. Is it the overall expense? I don’t want to say it’s “just 25 “ more points because I know it can break someone else’s bank. Are the ones who are against it wanting to pay cash and therefore it’s an added expense you don’t want at this time? I’m just curious.

The increased cost of buying 25 more direct points vs resale ranges from about $1700 for SSR, CCV and OKW (and at recent prices, VGC) to about $2500 for Poly and VGF. If what you're getting out of it is the Gold AP, that takes the number of passes needed to break even from a range of 15-22 to a range of 19-28. If you're buying as a couple you'll really have trouble breaking even, ever; with 2 kids its 5-7 years. That's a lot of additional risk that the benefits won't change. The discount could get better or worse at any time. It's additional years in which Disney could revoke access to the Gold AP. It's additional years in which Disney could fundamentally change or discontinue the Gold AP. It just adds 25% more risk to the decision to buy the minimum direct contract for direct benefits if you're doing it for purely mathemetical reasons.

Lots of people buy DVC because it's a thing they want to own. If you can afford that, than there's no reason to be concerned about the 25 extra points.

 

[HockeyMomNH]

How about New Hampshire?? "Frozen" will fit right in!

This actually could have come true. There's artwork by Tim Delaney that shows a Disney Resort in NH called the White Mountains Lodge. That would have been right in my back yard, so to speak. I always thought it would be fun to have a job as Mickey in my hometown. Lol!

 

[sethschroeder]

The increased cost of buying 25 more direct points vs resale ranges from about $1700 for SSR, CCV and OKW (and at recent prices, VGC) to about $2500 for Poly and VGF. If what you're getting out of it is the Gold AP, that takes the number of passes needed to break even from a range of 15-22 to a range of 19-28. If you're buying as a couple you'll really have trouble breaking even, ever; with 2 kids its 5-7 years. That's a lot of additional risk that the benefits won't change. The discount could get better or worse at any time. It's additional years in which Disney could revoke access to the Gold AP. It's additional years in which Disney could fundamentally change or discontinue the Gold AP. It just adds 25% more risk to the decision to buy the minimum direct contract for direct benefits if you're doing it for purely mathemetical reasons.

Lots of people buy DVC because it's a thing they want to own. If you can afford that, than there's no reason to be concerned about the 25 extra points.

One other thing to account for is the change of incentives, extra discounting between 100 vs 125, and if in the long run you want direct points for future resorts (125 gets you to around 375 if you bank and borrow to a single year which is a pretty good stay at a new resort).

Oh and the option that at 100 even you are not getting a fixed week but for the 118/120/130 area you are getting a Fixed Week. Downside is if you get a 118 point FW as an example that would be short of qualifying for direct perks .

 

[Sandisw]

Does having to buy 25 more points really change your (the general you) intent to buy in? I just don’t see how that’s a deal breaker for some. Is it the overall expense? I don’t want to say it’s “just 25 “ more points because I know it can break someone else’s bank. Are the ones who are against it wanting to pay cash and therefore it’s an added expense you don’t want at this time? I’m just curious.

IMO, I think they are targeting new buyers to ensure they have enough points, especially now that rooms will be tougher to get in the future given all the extra points floating around,

I also wonder if 2022 point charts will see more adjustments? With Reflections scraped, I also wonder if the timeline for selling out RIV has been adjusted and they are not as worried about sales.

As you mention, it’s not a major increase and who knows, maybe the will be adding some other perks. I know many people who buy multiday use places like UT and park savers. How nice would it be to have a discount on direct tickets. Yes, it’s a different division, but who knows the deals they might be doing now to boost all areas.

 

[RoseGold]

With the Star Wars hotel, I can totally picture Star Wars weddings and similar heavily branded expansion. IMO, the Star Wars hotel idea is the freshest and most exciting Disney idea in a long time. And I can totally see a timeshare tie in for that, if Disney thinks it will make money.

I know there used to be some big plans with the Marvel properties. Maybe not right this minute, but I can see expansion in the future, not Vero kind of expansion, but a park somewhere more favorable in the future. Nevada? Utah?

California has been so restrictive, I'm surprised they keep putting so much work into that state, when it's clear they are so constrained by space and rules.

 

[becauseimnew]

Does having to buy 25 more points really change your (the general you) intent to buy in? I just don’t see how that’s a deal breaker for some. Is it the overall expense? I don’t want to say it’s “just 25 “ more points because I know it can break someone else’s bank. Are the ones who are against it wanting to pay cash and therefore it’s an added expense you don’t want at this time? I’m just curious.

For us that would be about $5000 more upfront, I could take an extra vacation with that money.

 

[Lorana]

This actually could have come true. There's artwork by Tim Delaney that shows a Disney Resort in NH called the White Mountains Lodge. That would have been right in my back yard, so to speak. I always thought it would be fun to have a job as Mickey in my hometown. Lol!

Yes, please, on a NH resort! Though my preference would be for an Adventurer's Club themed hotel. ;-)

 

[cm8]

The increased cost of buying 25 more direct points vs resale ranges from about $1700 for SSR, CCV and OKW (and at recent prices, VGC) to about $2500 for Poly and VGF. If what you're getting out of it is the Gold AP, that takes the number of passes needed to break even from a range of 15-22 to a range of 19-28. If you're buying as a couple you'll really have trouble breaking even, ever; with 2 kids its 5-7 years. That's a lot of additional risk that the benefits won't change. The discount could get better or worse at any time. It's additional years in which Disney could revoke access to the Gold AP. It's additional years in which Disney could fundamentally change or discontinue the Gold AP. It just adds 25% more risk to the decision to buy the minimum direct contract for direct benefits if you're doing it for purely mathemetical reasons.

Lots of people buy DVC because it's a thing they want to own. If you can afford that, than there's no reason to be concerned about the 25 extra points.

I understand that. Thank you. I guess I didn’t take into account people were only buying in to get the bennies! I actually thought most bought in for the ability to stay in a “deluxe “ resort at a cheaper rate.

 

[SomePixiedust]

Does having to buy 25 more points really change your (the general you) intent to buy in? I just don’t see how that’s a deal breaker for some. Is it the overall expense? I don’t want to say it’s “just 25 “ more points because I know it can break someone else’s bank. Are the ones who are against it wanting to pay cash and therefore it’s an added expense you don’t want at this time? I’m just curious.

For me I would be paying cash and 25 more points would amount to $4125-4650+ depending on which resort i go with. More than I have at the moment to earmark for this purchase so it would be off the table at that point. I will only purchase with cash.

 

[limace]

I understand that. Thank you. I guess I didn’t take into account people were only buying in to get the bennies! I actually thought most bought in for the ability to stay in a “deluxe “ resort at a cheaper rate.

Well sure, that’s why we buy in. But we don’t need to buy direct to do that. I mainly do DL-I only bought a direct contract because it was just 25 points at the time, way back in 2017. The direct benefits would definitely not be worth it to me at 100 points, let alone 25.

 

[masupo]

I understand that. Thank you. I guess I didn’t take into account people were only buying in to get the bennies! I actually thought most bought in for the ability to stay in a “deluxe “ resort at a cheaper rate.

That's exactly why I'm planning to buy into DVC - to stay in a "deluxe" resort at a cheaper rate. But buying resale makes it even cheaper. In my case, there's no reason to buy direct, except to get the blue card. I'm not interested in Riviera and it would be an extra $3775-$5500 (with no incentives & at the other WDW only resorts). As a single person with no kids, I probably wouldn't even make back the cost difference of the current 100 point buy in vs resale.

 

[Eric Smith]

Does having to buy 25 more points really change your (the general you) intent to buy in? I just don’t see how that’s a deal breaker for some. Is it the overall expense? I don’t want to say it’s “just 25 “ more points because I know it can break someone else’s bank. Are the ones who are against it wanting to pay cash and therefore it’s an added expense you don’t want at this time? I’m just curious.

Here's our situation. We already own 272 points resale at AKL which is close to enough for us. We'd like to own near Disneyland as well, so the Disneyland Tower appeals to us. We would only go to Disneyland every two or three years, so we don't need a ton of points to do so. Buying in at 100 points works out fairly well for that (assuming a studio will be less than 30 points per night) and we'd use any excess points at WDW. Bumping the minimum another 25 points would cost about $5,500 more initially (assuming an initial buy in price of $220 per point). Those 25 points are unnecessary for us and at that point we would start looking hard at any low point VGC resale contracts to get us DVC at Disneyland. We would prefer to stay at the Grand Californian due to the location, but we prefer the dining at the Disneyland Hotel. We already have over half the money saved for the initial buy in and we could easily use it for other things. It doesn't really make sense to raise the minimum buy in price at this time, but DVC hasn't been making decisions recently that make a whole lot of sense.