Rumor by agent - Blue Card min. going up

[poofyo101]

It has come from the guides so there won't be much more until right before the actual increase now likely.

thats what I was thinking. Going back and forth buying 100 direct to hold onto for the blue card.

 

[Leahc117]

anymore confirmation if this is happening? debating 100 direct but really do not want riviera.

Same here!!!

 

[LadybugsMum]

thats what I was thinking. Going back and forth buying 100 direct to hold onto for the blue card.

You don’t have to get Rivera. I bought SSR direct a couple weeks ago and someone else got VGF direct as well.

 

[poofyo101]

You don’t have to get Rivera. I bought SSR direct a couple weeks ago and someone else got VGF direct as well.

Some reason mentally cannot get over the price delta from resale on the sold out resorts. Too big to justify the blue card benefits.

 

[LadybugsMum]

Some reason mentally cannot get over the price delta from resale on the sold out resorts. Too big to justify the blue card benefits.

Understandable.

 

[Eric Smith]

Some reason mentally cannot get over the price delta from resale on the sold out resorts. Too big to justify the blue card benefits.

Unless you’re getting annual passes consistently or really want Riviera, it doesn’t make financial sense to buy direct. Also, the annual pass discount can go away at any time.

 

[TheHuns]

I think your response sums up my confusion. The DVC market is obviously segmented. I don't think the greatest salesperson on earth can convince some resale owners to purchase a direct contract. So if this market segment hasn't already purchased the current minimum, why would we expect the increase to 125 change anyone's mind? Maybe to convince those who are still on the fence?

DVC is a luxury purchase. Few people can afford to drop $20k on a timeshare. There are several other luxury items that did experience a price increase during the pandemic. DVC actually lowered the price for the available resorts! Even some of the legacy resorts! Resale prices also saw a decrease. We can't be upset about the minimum increase going to 125.

For me personally, I wasn’t in the right position to buy direct when the point minimum was where I felt comfortable. Between the price of direct points, the 75 point minimum at the time of our purchase, and the studio limitations at CCV we had read about, it just didn’t really make sense at the time. We expressed those concerns and our guide blew them off, so we went resale.

My biggest gripe with the increasing minimum is that it prices out the crowd of people who are interested in the value proposition of DVC, but only want to go every other year or 2 on and 2 off. I understand it’s a small demographic, but given their sales numbers over the last three months they need every demographic they can get.

 

[Dean]

For me personally, I wasn’t in the right position to buy direct when the point minimum was where I felt comfortable. Between the price of direct points, the 75 point minimum at the time of our purchase, and the studio limitations at CCV we had read about, it just didn’t really make sense at the time. We expressed those concerns and our guide blew them off, so we went resale.

My biggest gripe with the increasing minimum is that it prices out the crowd of people who are interested in the value proposition of DVC, but only want to go every other year or 2 on and 2 off. I understand it’s a small demographic, but given their sales numbers over the last three months they need every demographic they can get.

I would suspect it'll increase their profits overall even done in this environment as they're looking at the long term. From a system standpoint, small members raise the costs related to member services and likely the cost of maintenance as well at least on a per point basis.

 

[Lorana]

Then add the location penalty: Ko Olina is nice but not most folks' top Hawaiian destination. If you want to be on Oahu, most want to be in Waikiki. If you want something quieter on Hawaii than Waikiki, you probably want "not Oahu." HHI is on the inside (the wrong side) of the 278 ring road.

I feel this a little. When we planned our Hawaii vacation with a stop at Aulani at the end, we lamented that it was in Oahu. Kauai or Maui? Yes, please, we would have absolutely bought into Aulani. Maybe even if it was the Big Island. But as it's Oahu, we decided not to buy there and instead we'll just transfer points when we go again, because we're unlikely to spend our entire time there due to it being on Oahu.

That said, from my perspective, Disney did an amazing job with Aulani. We *love* the resort. We just wish it wasn't on Oahu.

 

[Lorana]

Unless you’re getting annual passes consistently or really want Riviera, it doesn’t make financial sense to buy direct. Also, the annual pass discount can go away at any time.

It's not just Riviera, though. It's all future resorts. If you plan on owning DVC for the long term, it's an important consideration, especially when you consider post-2042. If Beach Club and Boardwalk get turned around as new DVC timeshare resorts, you will still be able to book them with Direct points, but not with resale.

Don't get me wrong - this IS a gamble to say "future resorts" since no one knows what the future will hold regarding DVC. But I have to imagine that in 10-20 years, there will be several new resorts, and while that provides no immediate benefit outside of booking Riviera, it is something to take into consideration if you expect to hold DVC for 20+ years.

(Personally, I wish they'd consider expanding DVC to the international parks! A DVC wing in Hotel Miracosta in Tokyo? Yes, please!)

 

[sethschroeder]

(Personally, I wish they'd consider expanding DVC to the international parks! A DVC wing in Hotel Miracosta in Tokyo? Yes, please!)

Honestly I don't really want them to build a resort there but instead work out a system to trade in to the hotels without it being way overpriced. If they built there the availability likely would be terrible and it would just further make 7 months at WDW harder likely.

 

[Lorana]

Honestly I don't really want them to build a resort there but instead work out a system to trade in to the hotels without it being way overpriced. If they built there the availability likely would be terrible and it would just further make 7 months at WDW harder likely.

Good points - but there would likely be the same problem with trading in if it weren't so overpriced.

I gotta say, though, that Japan knows how to do theming right. The themed Disneyland Hotel Tokyo rooms are *amazing.* We stayed in a Beauty and the Beast themed room for 1 night (Miracosta for the other), and I was in heaven. I really wish there was better theming in WDW. It's part of the reason why I love AKV so much; they got the theming right.

 

[Dean]

Honestly I don't really want them to build a resort there but instead work out a system to trade in to the hotels without it being way overpriced. If they built there the availability likely would be terrible and it would just further make 7 months at WDW harder likely.

Pipe dream given their track record on cash type exchanges. They've never had an option that I'm aware of where the exchange rate was reasonable other than some very specific situations where cash prices were through the roof such as an event week that was still available by the DC or Concierge Collection and DCL for the first season of AK cruises.

 

[Eric Smith]

It's not just Riviera, though. It's all future resorts. If you plan on owning DVC for the long term, it's an important consideration, especially when you consider post-2042. If Beach Club and Boardwalk get turned around as new DVC timeshare resorts, you will still be able to book them with Direct points, but not with resale.

Don't get me wrong - this IS a gamble to say "future resorts" since no one knows what the future will hold regarding DVC. But I have to imagine that in 10-20 years, there will be several new resorts, and while that provides no immediate benefit outside of booking Riviera, it is something to take into consideration if you expect to hold DVC for 20+ years.

(Personally, I wish they'd consider expanding DVC to the international parks! A DVC wing in Hotel Miracosta in Tokyo? Yes, please!)

That’s a fair point. I don’t know how likely it is that there will be many new resorts at WDW before 2042. It’ll take them a while to dig out of the COVID hole.

I don’t see them building any international DVC resorts because they would have a horrible time trying to sell them. I see them being even more difficult to sell than Aulani.

 

[sethschroeder]

That’s a fair point. I don’t know how likely it is that there will be many new resorts at WDW before 2042. It’ll take them a while to dig out of the COVID hole.

I don’t see them building any international DVC resorts because they would have a horrible time trying to sell them. I see them being even more difficult to sell than Aulani.

Conversion of WL cash rooms, CBR nearest to RIV skyliner station in to European village, Yatch Club wing, or others. Plenty of quicker turnarounds possibly once RIV and DL were both going to be sold out.

I am with you though I think the last new resort goes on sale in 2035 followed by the eventual early sales or some type of contract on the eventual 2.0 versions of the 2042 resorts.

 

[Royal Consort]

I gotta say, though, that Japan knows how to do theming right. The themed Disneyland Hotel Tokyo rooms are *amazing.* We stayed in a Beauty and the Beast themed room for 1 night (Miracosta for the other), and I was in heaven. I really wish there was better theming in WDW. It's part of the reason why I love AKV so much; they got the theming right.

Tokyo is one of our closest resorts. Oddly enough we bought Riviera because it reminds us the most of the Tokyo Disneyland Hotel.

 

[gisele2]

Personally, I wish they'd consider expanding DVC to the international parks! A DVC wing in Hotel Miracosta in Tokyo? Yes, please!)

Or at Disneyland Paris.

 

[meanwoodwhite]

Or at Disneyland Paris.

Problem is timeshares in Europe have a really bad stigma, I just don't think it would work.

People think I'm mad here in the UK if I tell them that I have a Disney timeshare.

 

[CarolynFH]

Problem is timeshares in Europe have a really bad stigma, I just don't think it would work.

People think I'm mad here in the UK if I tell them that I have a Disney timeshare.

TS stigma doesn't exist just in Europe - https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/how-to-tell-family-friends-you-bought-a-ts.306608/.

 

[Dean]

Or at Disneyland Paris.

They already gave up the option they had in hand for that area where the Marriott resort now sits but it would be nice to have an option actually on site there.