Rise of Resistance line method poll

[DGsAtBLT]

Current system.

There is not a single attraction in WDW I would pay a separate fee to get into. We would probably visit much less if at all if they reverted back to a system similar to the A-E ticket days where I would have to consider what each attraction is worth, but that’s another topic.

Stand by? Nope. I’m not waiting in that. Goes back to what I said previously, a single attraction is not worth that much time or money, IMO. And 3 hours is dreaming, that’s what FoP gets on a regular basis. And they would have to clear the line for downtime way too often, making it a mess and safety hazard at the entrance.

FP+ or BG in advance when booking? Not unless they announced the change 70 days out or so, so that people could be properly prepared and take advantage of booking windows they’re entitled to. And absolute no to the idea of getting one when booking a trip.

The night before lottery? Yeah I could get on board for that, but I have major concerns about the execution of it and the burden it places on IT. Also the sheer number of people who would enter just incase. Is a DHS commitment just having ticket media that lets you in for the next 2 days, or would it require some sort of proof you’re committed like FP or ADRs in that park?

 

[cakebaker]

I vote for FP. They don't have to allow standby to reach 5 hrs- cut it off at 3. My opinion, probably just like anyone else, is based on what suits me best personally. We aren't local or even within a days drive and planning our trip is near impossible with the ever changing boarding group system. I understand why they're doing it and don't disagree that it's probably the best way for now for the majority of people, but I sure will be glad when it moves to the regular FP system.

 

[hnthomps]

I don't love the current system, but it's the only one of those options above that has a shot of letting my family in. We almost certainly will never go to WDW for more than 3 or 4 days at a time, so FP+ doesn't work. We have kids, so lines more than an hour don't work. We have kids, so being in the park at closing doesn't work, plus the park hoppers, etc.

I guess getting a BG when booking might work, but depends on how far in advance that means. We have generally booked about 6 months in advance, which I suspect wouldn't be long enough.
And paying extra money -- we could afford it, but it seems really unfair to put such a high price on one specific attraction.

 

[havoc315]

The night before lottery? Yeah I could get on board for that, but I have major concerns about the execution of it and the burden it places on IT. Also the sheer number of people who would enter just incase. Is a DHS commitment just having ticket media that lets you in for the next 2 days, or would it require some sort of proof you’re committed like FP or ADRs in that park?

Just physical presence for your whole party inside the park. This benefits Disney as it will require longer trips and/or more park hopper tickets. If a whole family is really going to enter the park just for a few minutes at 7pm just to enter the lottery... then they probably have purchased park hoppers. It's actually doubtful that most people would enter the park just to enter the lottery and then leave. Getting to the park and through security is still a time commitment.

Of course, the potential problem of a massive evening surge of attendance shortly before you want to actually close the park.

Uneven attendance distribution is a problem with many methods, including the current method (which is causing standby lines to be longest, earliest in the morning).

 

[TheMaxRebo]

What about doing some FP (maybe not as high a % as other rides) so it rewards those that stay on property for longer stays

But then instead of standard standby you do the BG/virtual queue system for day of. This way you aren't stuck in a line for 5+ hours and those that didn't get a FP still have a shot day if if they rope drop

 

[mrsap]

What about doing some FP (maybe not as high a % as other rides) so it rewards those that stay on property for longer stays

But then instead of standard standby you do the BG/virtual queue system for day of. This way you aren't stuck in a line for 5+ hours and those that didn't get a FP still have a shot day if if they rope drop

I think that’s a great idea.

 

[JETSDAD]

What about doing some FP (maybe not as high a % as other rides) so it rewards those that stay on property for longer stays

But then instead of standard standby you do the BG/virtual queue system for day of. This way you aren't stuck in a line for 5+ hours and those that didn't get a FP still have a shot day if if they rope drop

I'd be ok with a combo of FP and BG where BG's essentially take the place of Standby.

 

[havoc315]

What about doing some FP (maybe not as high a % as other rides) so it rewards those that stay on property for longer stays

But then instead of standard standby you do the BG/virtual queue system for day of. This way you aren't stuck in a line for 5+ hours and those that didn't get a FP still have a shot day if if they rope drop

Not a bad idea.... But the effect could be good, or could be absolutely horrendous.
Imagine FP+'s only going to those who book super long trips (like 10 days) and those staying at club level who buy 90 day fastpasses.
Then day of BG's... being so limited, that even if you're in the park at rope drop, even if you're logging in to your app right away, you only have a 50/50 shot of getting a boarding group.
Would that be better or worse than the current system?

Though a hybrid system may indeed be best --
What about 50% of capacity going to "upsell" tickets... and 50% of capacity going to same day boarding group lottery.
Those that want a guarantee that they will ride at a pre-planned time can pay extra. Those willing to take a chance can do the super early rope drop.

 

[eeyoreandtink]

I chose when booking my trip. I wish I could just book everything, FP, dining, ect at once.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Not a bad idea.... But the effect could be good, or could be absolutely horrendous.
Imagine FP+'s only going to those who book super long trips (like 10 days) and those staying at club level who buy 90 day fastpasses.
Then day of BG's... being so limited, that even if you're in the park at rope drop, even if you're logging in to your app right away, you only have a 50/50 shot of getting a boarding group.
Would that be better or worse than the current system?

Though a hybrid system may indeed be best --
What about 50% of capacity going to "upsell" tickets... and 50% of capacity going to same day boarding group lottery.
Those that want a guarantee that they will ride at a pre-planned time can pay extra. Those willing to take a chance can do the super early rope drop.

yeah, I think that is largely what I am thinking keep 50% for day of (unlike most other rides which are like 80-90% FP) and then the other 50% can taken by FP (and I guess I see booking a loner, onsite stay as the "upcharge" vs an explicit charge for it)

Seems like if you take out some people who already have their FPs set that should reduce the # of people showing up at rope drop so even though you are cutting number of BGs, might not reduce chance at getting one all that much (as is, they are going in 1-2 minutes anyway)

 

[TheMaxRebo]

another alternative I thought of is for people that are staying on property you get one anytime use FP for RotR. This way you know you have one ride for your trip and I think a lot of people might view that as "enough" as long as they get the one ride in. If they want more than one they can go to rope drop and try for a BG, but at least they know they have this one secured (so rewards people that spend $ to stay on property)

Probably need to say at least a minimum of 3 nights or something to avoid people booking a 1 night campsite and not using it just to get a FP

 

[Revan46]

While I get the lottery is frustrating, I prefer it or potentially paying for it. Cause honestly past couple years I haven’t always known if I’m going to Disney till I get to Florida (example, a Christmas gift.) so if it were FastPass I’d pretty much be out of luck cause they’d be gone by then (I mean FoP seem to be gone super early so even a week before there are none so I’m sure RotR would be the same way). Yes I get still no guarantee with current system but at least there’s a chance it won’t be gone days ahead. And as for the pay option, if I’m willing to pay typically more than $100 for express pass for universal, I’d be fine $50 for Rise.

 

[havoc315]

another alternative I thought of is for people that are staying on property you get one anytime use FP for RotR. This way you know you have one ride for your trip and I think a lot of people might view that as "enough" as long as they get the one ride in. If they want more than one they can go to rope drop and try for a BG, but at least they know they have this one secured (so rewards people that spend $ to stay on property)

Probably need to say at least a minimum of 3 nights or something to avoid people booking a 1 night campsite and not using it just to get a FP

Maybe. But honestly, even with a 3 day stay minimum, I don't think there is enough capacity to give every guest an anytime FP. At any time, there are about 100,000 guests staying on property. Capacity for ROTR appears to be around 10,000 per day...
I suppose it could work if the minimum stay was long enough, and you got assigned a specific time. But this goes back to 1 of the ideas in the poll -- getting your FP/BG at the time of booking. If you limit it to those booking 4 nights or more, you may not run out of FP/BG until a couple months before travel dates.

 

[loves to dive]

I voted for current way but it needs some tweaking. For example: we got there early enough and got into BG 31. We were thinking that was good and would probably get called mid-morning ish. Turns out the ride was down the night before so people were given FPs, it was down a couple of times that morning so people in the early groups were told to come back along with the previous night FP group. We got called for boarding around 1:30 ish. I think if they could give some sort of estimate as to approx. time the BG is going to be called it would be good. I know that would not have made a darn bit of difference given our circumstances but during "normal" times it would help to know how much time you kind of have to go on to another park. We were thinking since we might get called around mid-morning, it wasn't worth walking to Epcot and back (or riding the boat). We had 2:25 Oga's ADRs and just before our group was called went and talked to a CM there. We were put on a list in case we got called and missed our ADR we wouldn't get charged but would still have the ADR. Turned out when we were called we were afraid to wait until after our ADR, thinking it might take longer to stand in line at OGA's and get a drink and we might not make it out by 3:30 so we went ahead to the ride. Of course, the ride went down while we were in line so we didn't get off until 2:45. We went over to Oga's thinking we would just ask about standing in line or even someone escorting us through so we could at least see it. It turned out to not be a problem, they just put us back on the ADR and called us in about 2 min. after we got in line.

 

[normjen]

Isn't the current way to get a boarding pass, Disney's way of admitting the old way for Fast Pass was the best/fairest way. #1 Everyone has to be in the park. #2 The early bird gets the worm. #3 Once they are gone for the day, they are gone.

 

[GoingSince1990]

As a non-morning person, I loved when FP+ was brought in and we no longer had to get up early to rope-drop. Forcing people who want to ride RotR to get up at the crack of dawn for a chance of a BG is a big step backwards IMO. And the BG system where you have no idea if or when you will ride meshes very badly with Disney’s existing system of preplanned ADRs and FPs at 180
and 60 days out.

 

[cakebaker]

Isn't the current way to get a boarding pass, Disney's way of admitting the old way for Fast Pass was the best/fairest way. #1 Everyone has to be in the park. #2 The early bird gets the worm. #3 Once they are gone for the day, they are gone.

I don't think it has a thing to do with how fair or unfair FP is. I think it's a temporary way to handle the massive number of people wanting to ride and just like SR, will go to FP at some point. This system isn't any more or less fair than FP, it just suits some guests better than others, just like FP does.

 

[keishashadow]

I haven’t figured out the Newly discussed 1 or 2 hour return time window...is it arbitrarily assigned? What if u need 2 hours as in if at an ADR? Meh.

I'd be for the lottery if it was like the hamilton lottery.

Ha, was shut out of reg tix and the daily lottery in PIT

I was there opening day... however, I personally refuse to get up at 5 o’clock in the morning to get on a ride. As much as I LOVE Star Wars, I would forgo this ride if it continues with the virtual boarding system. At least with fast pass distribution, I have a shot at getting on the ride at a time I would prefer (instead of arriving at the butt crack of dawn, just to get a boarding group, and then sitting around all day hoping to get my number called.) I’m sure everyone has their own opinion on this, but that is mine.

Also there, didn’t ride, got FP & park tix. Did enjoy the next day

rode again 2 weeks ago. got early boarding pass Worried as the GB were disappearing in under 10 min & operating delays galore but all worked out.

We actually enjoyed the "excitement" of getting to DHS at 6:00 AM,waiting to be let in at 6:30 AM with the HUGE EXCITED MASSES and then feeling the excitement build until 7:00 AM and then the "euphoria" of the actual securing of a BG!

Well, thumbs up for that spin on it lol

I don't view it as "punishing" someone, just giving some more of an advantage than others. No system is perfect, but they could have done better I feel.

They will do what works most efficiently and cost effectively when it gets down to the nitty gritty

There is not a single attraction in WDW I would pay a separate fee to get into. We would probably visit much less if at all if they reverted back to a system similar to the A-E ticket days where I would have to consider what each attraction is worth, but that’s another topic.

That’s your decision but predict people would quickly pay big bucks if rolled into a tour. Smart way for WDW to churn some bucks

I don't love the current system, but it's the only one of those options above that has a shot of letting my family in. We almost certainly will never go to WDW for more than 3 or 4 days at a time, so FP+ doesn't work. We have kids, so lines more than an hour don't work. We have kids, so being in the park at closing doesn't work, plus the park hoppers, etc.

We do anywhere from last min short getaways to solid week (don’t see FP+ being more than a chance of an leg up here)

Probably need to say at least a minimum of 3 nights or something to avoid people booking a 1 night campsite and not using it just to get a FP

Looking for 1 night precruise end of may. Campsite popped up first as ‘low’ at $143+ a night. Whaaaaat?

And as for the pay option, if I’m willing to pay typically more than $100 for express pass for universal, I’d be fine $50 for Rise.

U don’t have to pay for U EP if staying onsite. That said, it has yet to include Hagrid coaster, much to my dismay .

I voted for current way but it needs some tweaking. For example: we got there early enough and got into BG 31. We were thinking that was good and would probably get called mid-morning ish. Turns out the ride was down the night before so people were given FPs, it was down a couple of times that morning so people in the early groups were told to come back along with the previous night FP group. We got called for boarding around 1:30

the word has gotten out to redeem those anytime FP early as possible in day. They need to
Stagger them somehow

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I haven’t figured out the Newly discussed 1 or 2 hour return time window...is it arbitrarily assigned? What if u need 2 hours as in if at an ADR? Meh.

not sure if we have enough data to form conclusions, but from what I could tell - they are giving out 1 hour returns early in the day and late in the day and then mid-day it is 2 hours.

Reason for this is:
1) first thing in the morning the queue is quote empty with people who got the earliest BGs still taking advantage of rope drop to do another attraciton (or 2) knowing they have 2 hours to get to RotR - this will (in theory) reduce that some forcing people with the earliest BGs to go there earlier
2) Because they needed to give people the 2 hours return window they would stop calling new BGs 2 hours prior to park closing - this caused them to call a whole bunch just before that 2 hour point and the queue was overflowing as people from many, many BG numbers could all start to come at the same time. The 1 hour return window lets them stagger that a bit and now call keep calling BGs up until 1 hour before park closing

Mid day, they kept 2 hours to give people more flexibility

If you have an ADR or FP or whatever that might conflict with your return window (be it 1 hour or 2 hours) talk to CMs and they will try to work around it (give you different return time/anytime FP for either RotR or your other attractions, move you do a different ADR time, or, at a minimum take away the cancellation penalty for no showing the ADR due to RotR return time)

 

[keishashadow]

If you have an ADR or FP or whatever that might conflict with your return window (be it 1 hour or 2 hours) talk to CMs and they will try to work around it (give you different return time/anytime FP for either RotR or your other attractions, move you do a different ADR time, or, at a minimum take away the cancellation penalty for no showing the ADR due to RotR return time)

Did so most recent visit. Got delayed on gondola (took almost an hour from AoA stop vs the 30 min I had experienced in past

We were just under the max return time. They couldn’t help me at the attraction. Had to back track to GE & plead my case. you would not believe the amount of paperwork the CM had to fill out and I had to sign a receipt