Resale Resorts Riv eligibility

[TinkB278]

We were researching DVC for over five years and asked many many questions of the first guide we spoke to but did not buy. We added on direct last year from a guide who I think was just learning. He left our profile on the screen where we could see the judgements of us from the previous guide. Ouch. We were 'time wasters' and asking far too many questions among others. The original guide in no uncertain terms was very grumpy at us for not buying according to the notes and wanted future guides to know. I even recall him telling us "i spent more time with you than I should". Glad we didn't buy the 250 points at Aulani he was pushing.

Disney did get a substantial sale from us for a FW at Riviera but sometimes its not always an immediate sale.

Oh my gosh!! I had a really nasty guide the first time we toured. Now I want to see what he wrote about us! Basically threw the brochures at us and pushed us out the door when we said we weren’t going to buy that day.

 

[LAX]

The waiver was changed back to Its original form snd That comes from Disney.

Now, I am waiting for a response and should get it by Tuesday. I’ll post, but I think that the Change back to the regular form is as close as you are going to get because nothing really ever changed.

So it was just a big blooper by someone at DVD? I wonder if this will cost his/her job. As much as I like to see the restriction rolled back/disappear, I doubt it will happen if DVD is indeed serious about having it for the "long-haul."

LAX

 

[RoseGold]

He left our profile on the screen where we could see the judgements of us from the previous guide. Ouch. We were 'time wasters' and asking far too many questions among others.

Sweet baby Mickey, that might be one of the worst DVC stories I've heard, giving the benefit of the doubt to some of the misleading promises I've heard. Gross.

 

[Sandisw]

So it was just a big blooper by someone at DVD? I wonder if this will cost his/her job. As much as I like to see the restriction rolled back/disappear, I doubt it will happen if DVD is indeed serious about having it for the "long-haul."

LAX

It appears to have been. It’s possible that the person doing the job is not someone who normally does due to furloughs,

But yeah, it’s a big black eye for sure.

 

[we"reofftoneverland]

We were researching DVC for over five years and asked many many questions of the first guide we spoke to but did not buy. We added on direct last year from a guide who I think was just learning. He left our profile on the screen where we could see the judgements of us from the previous guide. Ouch. We were 'time wasters' and asking far too many questions among others. The original guide in no uncertain terms was very grumpy at us for not buying according to the notes and wanted future guides to know. I even recall him telling us "i spent more time with you than I should". Glad we didn't buy the 250 points at Aulani he was pushing.

Disney did get a substantial sale from us for a FW at Riviera but sometimes its not always an immediate sale.

That is hysterical. I am sure our file has worse in it. Lol. It is crazy for them to write off people for not purchasing on the spot. So short sighted. We were going to buy. The question was really just when and what. Our dvc guide experience was over two years ago and we purchased two contracts a month after getting home from wdw. We have purchased another two contracts since then! We would have riviera direct too at this point if it wasn’t for the resale restrictions and high dues. Darn it. And honestly we are still considering RIV. Just lift the restrictions Disney!

 

[TexasChick123]

So it was just a big blooper by someone at DVD? I wonder if this will cost his/her job. As much as I like to see the restriction rolled back/disappear, I doubt it will happen if DVD is indeed serious about having it for the "long-haul."

LAX

I do wonder if the direction of DVD taking a hard stance on the resale restrictions had to shift though. The “long haul” looked very different when RIV went up for sale than it does now. Reflections is possibly cancelled. No one knows what’s going on with the DL tower. They haven’t opened DL nor the hotels because CA won’t let them right now. Sorry to be “that person”, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that project gets axed as well. I’m just waiting to hear it at this point.

 

[fumanchu2488]

I do wonder if the direction of DVD taking a hard stance on the resale restrictions had to shift though. The “long haul” looked very different when RIV went up for sale than it does now. Reflections is possibly cancelled. No one knows what’s going on with the DL tower. They haven’t opened DL nor the hotels because CA won’t let them right now. Sorry to be “that person”, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that project gets axed as well. I’m just waiting to hear it at this point.

The only thing that makes me question this is the new DL Tower. That resort is going to be so hard to get and they could price it way above and beyond RIV. I would think there is a lot of value in keeping that direct incentive and saying you could use it at DL. Also, they can offer those west coasters the RIV at a price point probably less than DL and say they need to be direct to use there.

 

[HHISand]

It appears to have been. It’s possible that the person doing the job is not someone who normally does due to furloughs,

But yeah, it’s a big black eye for sure.

So, what about those of us who have the reference to 16 resorts in our ROFR letter from Disney. Does that give us a right to use those resale points at Riviera?

 

[lovethesun12]

So, what about those of us who have the reference to 16 resorts in our ROFR letter from Disney. Does that give us a right to use those resale points at Riviera?

I'm one of those people, and I would think it's a definite no since it isn't part of the original agreement at the time of purchase as a few people mentioned here earlier.

But if anyone else decides to take up that cause and it works feel free to pass on the information, lol.

 

[CarolMN]

So, what about those of us who have the reference to 16 resorts in our ROFR letter from Disney. Does that give us a right to use those resale points at Riviera?

No. The POS was not changed and that is the governing legal document. The ROFR letter is the waiver that allows the resale. The mention of the restrictions associated with resale points is more of a courtesy notification than a legal binding statement.

 

[Sandisw]

So, what about those of us who have the reference to 16 resorts in our ROFR letter from Disney. Does that give us a right to use those resale points at Riviera?

No it doesn’t. Because that document is not the contract and Disney never changed the rules of the POS document for RIV that prevents resale points to be used there.

Ultimately, as an owner,, the official policy, which did not change, is what would prevail. Someone mentioned that the initial contract signed has the restriction on it as well.

The waiver language was more of a reminder of the rules from my understanding but can’t be used as evidence.

Even if it could, the actual language of the restrictions says they can change it at any time as well as change it back...meaning if they removed them they can put them back at their discretion.

 

[AliceIn]

He left our profile on the screen where we could see the judgements of us from the previous guide. Ouch. We were 'time wasters' and asking far too many questions among others. The original guide in no uncertain terms was very grumpy at us for not buying according to the notes and wanted future guides to know.

Wow! That guide definitely had a case of sour grapes. I would love to see what our file says. We stalked DVC for years before we actually bought. We only took the plunge when we could pay the full price up front, and the monthly dues are 100% comfortable for us for the long term. They do pressure you to buy, and dangle savings in front of you. Savings only happen if you are excellent and budgeting and always have all your vacation funds ready to go each year. I think there are a lot of people who go into big debt to buy DVC, and that is why you see so many resale contracts out there. We looked at resale - and that is what we will do when we add on. We did our first contract direct to be full members because we spend a lot on annual passes, and those savings for 5 people add up to a lot for us. Not this year, obviously - but in the future.

 

[alexeis]

Super Wow. My last experience with guides was exactly the opposite. I loved the look of the Riviera since seeing the original artist renderings. We owned at Animal Kingdom direct and I had my mind set on a FW at Riviera. I only needed my husband to see it and love it to. We went to an open house and were assigned a guide, our original had retired, and this one just rushed us through the viewing, sat us in a room with another family and I was able to answer more questions than he could then rushed us to leave. But I did all my research, I knew what I wanted....Mickey don't you want my money? Eventially I was able to find my assigned guide and call him to complete the deal, he apparently only works with online sales. The funny part is the "new" guide sent us an email that he was our guide. Nope.

 

[DL1WDW2]

Interesting. My guide has retired but I can still contact him .
I was hoping to see him at the yearly Annual Condo Association Meeting in December at the Contemporary... usually all the guides are available to shake your hand, etc... probably not this year.
Anyway I purchased at VWL in 2001 and in 2010 met with a different guide in California pushing VGC but I insisted on BLT /100
My original guide got the “Sale” in Florida...

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

The only thing that makes me question this is the new DL Tower. That resort is going to be so hard to get and they could price it way above and beyond RIV. I would think there is a lot of value in keeping that direct incentive and saying you could use it at DL. Also, they can offer those west coasters the RIV at a price point probably less than DL and say they need to be direct to use there.

I'm very interested in how it does sell and definitely not assuming it's a slam dunk. VGC did not really sell that well, especially for being the first DL resort. It ended up receiving some of the deepest discounts of all the resorts being sold at the time. Consider that even now it's not unusual for there to be rooms available at the 7 month mark and it's tiny and the only DL DVC. With DL being such a locals park people go home vs stay onsite or are very happy to stay at some of the lower priced accommodations around DL that they can book spur of the moment for a quick night visit. At the time of VGC there were a lot fewer west coast owners - I think that has changed but I don't know if it's changed enough to benefit from large amount of add ons which helps every new resort sales.

 

[Liquidice]

I'm still holding out hope that maybe, just maybe they jumped the gun and there is some kind of change being worked and it requires a lot more contract changes to actually be effective. However, I think the probability of it actually changing is much lower now with the waiver wording being changed back.

Consider this - they're working the updates to remove the resale restriction, and were asked to also update the ROFR waiver wording to remove Riviera as a future resort. With 2 updates in flight, someone accidentally picked the wrong one to "publish" as the official wording.

Anyway, with the wording being reverted - I'm just trying to stay optimistic

 

[ScubaCat]

I'd still be surprised if they backed off. Riviera is selling, despite what people keep saying.

 

[CP3uhoh]

I'm very interested in how it does sell and definitely not assuming it's a slam dunk. VGC did not really sell that well, especially for being the first DL resort. It ended up receiving some of the deepest discounts of all the resorts being sold at the time. Consider that even now it's not unusual for there to be rooms available at the 7 month mark and it's tiny and the only DL DVC. With DL being such a locals park people go home vs stay onsite or are very happy to stay at some of the lower priced accommodations around DL that they can book spur of the moment for a quick night visit. At the time of VGC there were a lot fewer west coast owners - I think that has changed but I don't know if it's changed enough to benefit from large amount of add ons which helps every new resort sales.

The strange thing about the DL tower is that VGC is going to still be a better location and I’m sure the villas will be very well done and appointed but The Grand Californian resort is far superior to DLH. I love that resort and the closest hotel to the parks anywhere in the country. Off topic of thread sorry.

 

[limace]

We own at the GCV and love it but I actually prefer the mid century design/retro Disney look of the DLH plus the pool and Trader Sam’s are amazing. Would love to own both-my ideal would be to alternate locations. They are both basically closer to the parks than almost anything at WDW so the location isn’t a minus.

 

[Liquidice]

RVA had 412 contracts sold in September 2020 with 66,013 points.

In comparison:
January 2020 - 1,160 contracts with 181,289 points,
February 2020 - 920, 139,205
March 2020 - 950, 153,416
April 2020 - 203, 30,660 (Start of the pandemic impacting things)
May 2020 - 106, 15,870
June 2020 - 57, 7,910
July 2020 - 56, 9,255 (WDW Reopening)
August 2020 - 273, 44,970

So as you can see - there definitely has been some increase since WDW closed in March in terms of # of contracts sold, but it is still less than half of what they were doing pre-pandemic.

Source: https://www.disboards.com/threads/direct-dvc-sales-statistics.3806398/

For 2019, the only month that is as low as September 2020 for RVA is April 2019 the first month that RVA sales appeared with 407 contracts and 59,246 points, but RVA was only for sale for about half of that month (from 4/12/2019 - 4/30/2019).

I'm not trying to say anything bad about Riviera, just trying to show data on sales #'s.