Republicans Decide Not to Play

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Its their prerogative - but I feel -- if they don't want to compromise - then the President Obama should just have his full program (and that of the Demcratic House members) voted in - without the compromises offered....... there is a reason the democrats are in the majority (we the people voted them in) - they should do what they have to - to get the stimulus rolling.....

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/18024.html

President Barack Obama is coming to the Capitol this afternoon to curry favor with congressional Republicans. But it appears GOP leaders have already made up their minds to oppose his $825 billion stimulus plan.

House Republican Leader John A. Boehner and his No. 2, Whip Eric Cantor, told their rank-and-file members Tuesday morning during a closed-door meeting to oppose the bill when it comes to the floor Wednesday, according to an aide familiar with the discussion. Boehner told members that he's voting against the stimulus, and Cantor told the assembled Republicans that there wasn't any reason for them to support the measure, according to another person in the room. Cantor and his whip team are going to urge GOP members to oppose it.

In a nod to the president, Boehner did point out that this is the third time that Obama has met with Republican leaders, compared with the zero meetings they've held with Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) — a now-familiar refrain from Republicans in the House. But Obama’s diplomacy clearly isn’t buying any votes yet.

This pre-meeting bluster should dampen the mood for an early afternoon meeting with the president, who is making the trek to hear Republicans’ input on the legislation before Wednesday's vote. Once Obama is done with House Republicans, he will cross the Capitol to join the Senate Republican Conference lunch to pitch them on the stimulus.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said on NBC's "Today" show Tuesday morning that Democrats in Congress are "drifting away" from Obama's preferred stimulus plan, which was supposed to to include 40 percent tax cuts and be free of earmarks.

“Listening to what he said he wanted, we think we may be closer to that, oddly enough, than the Democratic majority, which seems to be pulling in the direction of fewer tax — less tax relief and things like fixing up the [National] Mall. You know, most people don't think that's the way we ought to spend stimulus money,” McConnell said.

Despite the grim outlook for Republican support, administration officials are not giving up. In addition to the president's visit, Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is hosting a group of congressional Republicans at the White House tonight. Vice President Joe Biden is visiting the Senate Democratic lunch, and the Senate Finance Committee is undergoing a lengthy markup of the legislation.

"They’ll talk stimulus, but also whatever else is on their mind and whatever they want to talk about," said an administration aide.

Republicans were appreciative of the gesture - but non-commital.

"I'm glad to listen," said Rep. Jim Gerlach (R-Pa.).

But Gerlach says he is leaning against the bill.
 
If only they had opposed the last one, they're a little too late discovering fiscal responsibility IMHO.
 
I wish the Democrats would decide not to play too. Throwing good money after bad isn't going to solve anything.
 
At least Obama is meeting with them. Discussion is a good thing. It's never wrong to want to be convinced something is right.
 

If only they had opposed the last one, they're a little too late discovering fiscal responsibility IMHO.

Its never too late to become fiscally responsible. How do contraceptives stimulate the economy unless the plan is to legalize prostitution and tax it? How do projects which won't be ready for spending until 2010 and 2011 stimulate the economy NOW? What is obvious to the Republicans and should be obvious to anyone, is that these programs are being incorporated as a race to the "left". They are pork programs designed to implement the "progressive agenda". If the economy and the Big 3 were of such a concern to Obama, why open the flood gates to more restrictions on the auto industry now? Why not slash corporate and capital gains taxes? The dems have enough votes to get what they want without the Republicans. They want it, they will have it but to force "bipartisanship" which only in this case, means, "if you agree with the left", is hollow and transparent.
 
Its never too late to become fiscally responsible. How do contraceptives stimulate the economy unless the plan is to legalize prostitution and tax it? How do projects which won't be ready for spending until 2010 and 2011 stimulate the economy NOW? What is obvious to the Republicans and should be obvious to anyone, is that these programs are being incorporated as a race to the "left". They are pork programs designed to implement the "progressive agenda". If the economy and the Big 3 were of such a concern to Obama, why open the flood gates to more restrictions on the auto industry now? Why not slash corporate and capital gains taxes? The dems have enough votes to get what they want without the Republicans. They want it, they will have it but to force "bipartisanship" which only in this case, means, "if you agree with the left", is hollow and transparent.

I agree, I just wish that they could have stopped the first one. The fact that the Democrats will get this anyway makes the Republican protest a moot point-and it looks hypocritical after they threw $$ at the banks without demanding accountability.

This is just another pork barrel mess of spending that will do nothing to help the poor and middle class that the Democrats claim to care so much about.
 
Obama's definition of Bi-partisonship is "convincing Republicans to vote like democrats", he has no clue that the term actually means compromise on BOTH sides.:sad2:

Just a side note, the 'fixing up' of the national mall is to the tune of $200million. :scared: WTH is wrong with these people? The ship is sinking and they're buying new tuxedos for the violin players.:headache:
 
Obama's definition of Bi-partisonship is "convincing Republicans to vote like democrats", he has no clue that the term actually means compromise on BOTH sides.:sad2:

Just a side note, the 'fixing up' of the national mall is to the tune of $200million. :scared: WTH is wrong with these people? The ship is sinking and they're buying new tuxedos for the violin players.:headache:

:rotfl2: How true. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. One wonders how many will be union jobs as well.
 
I agree with both of you! I so wish that McCain could have talked them out of the original spending. But better to stand up now than never. This is a loan on our kids and grandkids future. They will be the ones to pay the price for the 1990's excesses. Not what I had hoped for their future.

Good for Pres O to make the trip over to talk to them but I think they need to stand up for what they believe. Not too much common ground here and if they think this bailout won't work then have the backbone to say so!
 
Obama's going to talk, and the Republicans are going to listen. That's all you can ask for. What's the problem?

And I thought I read Obama doesn't have the votes he needs to get this past Congress as both the Republicans and some moderate Democrats are not on board with the bill.
 
The Republicans were so incompetent the last eight years I don't understand why they should be considered an authority on how to run a government.
 
A compromise below. One I would take back, if the Republicans refuse to play.

I know this is a lot of money - but we've already hemoraged trilliions away in Iraq - its time to spend it on us - the shape the economy is in.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/27/stimulus-dems-may-drop-fa_n_161181.html

WASHINGTON — House Democrats are likely to jettison family planning funds for the low-income from an $825 billion economic stimulus bill, officials said late Monday, following a personal appeal from President Barack Obama at a time the administration is courting Republican critics of the legislation.

Several officials said a final decision was expected on Tuesday, coinciding with Obama's scheduled visit to the Capitol for separate meetings with House and Senate Republicans.

The provision has emerged as a point of contention among Republicans, who criticize it as an example of wasteful spending that would neither create jobs nor otherwise improve the economy.

Under the provision, states no longer would be required to obtain federal permission to offer family planning services _ including contraceptives _ under Medicaid, the health program for the low-income.

Democrats considered the politically-potent change as congressional budget experts estimated it would take slightly longer for the overall legislation to achieve an impact on the economy than the administration projects.

The Congressional Budget Office said the economy would feel the effects of almost two-thirds of the money over the next year and a half. The administration claims 75 percent of the funding would be absorbed in that period of time, and Obama has pledged that the bill he signs will meet that target and either save or create up to 4 million jobs.

While the debate surrounding the overall impact of the measure pits economists and their statistics against one another, Republicans quickly seized on the family planning money as evidence that the Democrats were advancing an agenda that went beyond the economy.

"How you can spend hundreds of millions of dollars on contraceptives how does that stimulate the economy?" House Republican Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio said on Friday after congressional leaders met with Obama at the White House. "You can go through a whole host of issues that have nothing to do with growing jobs in America and helping people keep their jobs."

Several Democrats said Monday night that Obama had spoken personally with Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., about removing the provision. Waxman is chairman of the committee with jurisdiction over Medicaid and a close ally of Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

The Democrats who described the likely reversal did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to disclose developments not yet made public.

Obama's request to House Democrats underscores the administration's desire to signal a spirit of bipartisanship, a recurring theme for the president in his first week in office.

Whether it also succeeds in gaining votes is unclear, particularly in the House, where the GOP leadership has advanced an alternative that consists almost exclusively of tax cuts. The only new spending in the Republican plan is to maintain the current system of up to 33 weeks in unemployment benefits for several additional months.

By contrast, the White House-backed bill includes about $550 billion in spending and $250 billion in tax cuts.

Much of the funding in the Democratic bill is ticketed for health care and education, as well as money to weatherize buildings and build highways and other transportation projects.

A companion measure is making its way to the Senate floor for a vote next week, and congressional leaders have pledged to have legislation ready for Obama to sign by mid-February.

White House Budget chief Peter Orszag said in an AP interview that he's confident that the more ambitious target can be met for getting money into circulation in the economy, especially with changes likely to be made in the bill before it reaches the White House.

"With appropriate attention and proper management, you can both get the money out the door ... and still have well-selected projects," Orszag said.

"I don't see how that's possible," said Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi, top Republican on the Senate Appropriations Committee. "They'll be just pouring money down on the ground if they achieve that goal."
 
:rotfl2: How true. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. One wonders how many will be union jobs as well.

Very true. Remember during the campaign when earmarks and pork were considered bad things? Now apparently, the largest earmark\pork package in history is perfectly fine...as long as we call it "stimulus". :confused3

IMO
 
I agree with both of you! I so wish that McCain could have talked them out of the original spending. But better to stand up now than never. This is a loan on our kids and grandkids future. They will be the ones to pay the price for the 1990's excesses. Not what I had hoped for their future.

Good for Pres O to make the trip over to talk to them but I think they need to stand up for what they believe. Not too much common ground here and if they think this bailout won't work then have the backbone to say so!

Yes - its good to stand up for what you believe in - but if its going to pass any way, shouldn't you try to get some of the things you believe in - in it?

I don't see how they can do that, while saying they won't vote for it......

But - like I said - its their prerogative......
 
I'm glad. This "stimulus" is a joke. It's not going to help this economy at all but just put us further into debt.

Oh, and the Dem's have been in control the last couple of years - not the Republicans.
 
The Republicans were so incompetent the last eight years I don't understand why they should be considered an authority on how to run a government.

Ah heck...and we have the large amount of incompetent citizen's who are still allowed to vote as well! ;)
 
Very true. Remember during the campaign when earmarks and pork were considered bad things? Now apparently, the largest earmark\pork package in history is perfectly fine...as long as we call it "stimulus". :confused3

IMO


Those campaign promises are old news and don't seem to apply anymore.
 
The Republicans were so incompetent the last eight years I don't understand why they should be considered an authority on how to run a government.

Just want to point out something a lot of people seem to forget -- Republicans didn't control Congress the last 2 years of the Bush presidency.
 


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