so Pam and Suzanne are now moving into the potentially-dirty zone. i shall back away slooooowly from this thread.
Yo Elaine! Joe and I want some freakin' margaritas and mex food at 5 Burros! Get a move on woman!
Nah..... it's just good old Pam moving in that direction.....
(And need I remind you, buster, just who started the thread about meat??)Sorry. I'll try harder to be an
Honest, really, truly! 
Back on topic, to the OP: I admire you for being strong and firm and telling your ex that you were done with the manipulations!
And I am sorry that he got Ziggy.