Refusing the FINGER SCAN??

[NewEnglandDisney]

All good points, but where do we draw the line? Will you let them retina scan? I guess everyones line is different so thats why some choose to show ID instead.

The line for me is in truly identifiable information.

As myself and others have pointed out, the finger scan preserves NONE of your personal data. It takes a measurment of two bones in your finger, and then Disney creates a number based on those two numbers - it doesn't even store the originals.

I understand people being scared by the concept, thinking that Disney is taking your fingerprints. But the point is that, by refusing a finger scan for "privacy" reasons, one is defeating the purpose by giving them MUCH more information than you would have otherwise. If you handed me your license, and I "inspected" it for several seconds, I could memorize enough information to royally mess you over before you ever left the park that day, if I were a CM with bad intentions. The same can't be said for the data stored via the finger system.

So no, I wouldn't allow a retina scan. I wouldn't allow any invasive thing to be done with my knowledge. I wouldn't give them my fingerprints. But a random interger attached to a ticket number doesn't bother me, because my family takes great advantage of the MYW discounts (we don't do any of the extras, save Park Hopping occasionally, so we save a bundle) and I understand that so many people would abuse the system if they could that DIsney had to do something in order to follow the law and to preserve the MYW model they set up.

I'll agree with what you said regarding everyone's "lines being different", but I think there are multiple lines. On my line, showing someone your ID with your full name, birthdate, home address, license number, and in some states your SS#, is far beyond taking a scan of two bones in my finger and making a new number up out of them. As a few posts have demonstrated, some people feel that showing all their personal info to a CM is less invasive than the finger scan.

I understand the concept of why some people may believe this invades privacy, but from everything I have read (including the patent apps), seen in practice, and been told, Disney really is on the up and up with this. I'm all for due villigance, but only when it's necessary to protect myself. As I said, personally I'm much more wary of showing my ID off than my finger bone measurrments put in a database who's only use is ticket verification; the data is USELESS otherwise. No bad guy is going to steal your identity based on a random interger Disney generates based on two bones in your finger. But flashing your ID around...not so secure.

Everyone will do what they will, but I reserve the right to roll my eyes at the guy in line in front of me who stops the line and declares "For my privacy, I refuse!" It won't ruin my day, LOL, but most people (not all) simply don't understand how it works and that always breeds fear.

As I said earlier, if one was really concerned about these things they would probably stop going to Disney if they knew about the REAL database Disney keeps on all it's customers. If you've ever stayed on site, you've got a dossier with them, LOL. Personally, I don't mind because it helps them provide me with better service; I don't plan on committing crimes at WDW (or anywhere else), so since I enter of my own free will I don't concern myself.

NED

 

[NewEnglandDisney]

I really just need to note, since the discussion has veered :

DISNEY DOES NOT HAVE YOUR FINGERPRINT.

Disney's system measures TWO bones in your finger, generates a number based on those two bones, and stores THAT number.

That's it. Disney does NOT have your fingerprints.

Again, I think much of the fear is not understanding what exactly Disney is "taking" from you.

NED

 

[ransom]

I really just need to note, since the discussion has veered :

DISNEY DOES NOT HAVE YOUR FINGERPRINT.

Disney's system measures TWO bones in your finger, generates a number based on those two bones, and stores THAT number.

That's it. Disney does NOT have your fingerprints.

Again, I think much of the fear is not understanding what exactly Disney is "taking" from you.

NED

You seem to be talking about the old, two-finger system.

Disney now takes a scan of your fingerprint, finds points on the fingerprint, and measures the distance between them. Then it gets rid of the fingerprint.

Just wanted to clear that up.

 

[goofie4goofy]

I really just need to note, since the discussion has veered :

DISNEY DOES NOT HAVE YOUR FINGERPRINT.

Disney's system measures TWO bones in your finger, generates a number based on those two bones, and stores THAT number.

That's it. Disney does NOT have your fingerprints.

Again, I think much of the fear is not understanding what exactly Disney is "taking" from you.

NED

According to the info I posted a page or two back, if you watch the video, WDW is now taking actual finger prints. It is a different scanner than the 2 finger model as you just use your index finger tip. It also states they are keeping/storing the fingerprints for 90 days.

Also just wanted to add that if you do not wish to have your finger scanned, you are not "breaking any rules", it is your right to refuse it and show ID instead.

 

[ransom]

We all seem to be talking past each other.

One group seems to be saying that some day, if things keep going as they are, it could be a problem that we're using biometric information for access to theme parks, etc.

The other group seems to be saying that today, there's no problem.

So I think we all agree about today.

 

[suzij13]

According to the info I posted a page or two back, if you watch the video, WDW is now taking actual finger prints. It is a different scanner than the 2 finger model as you just use your index finger tip. It also states they are keeping/storing the fingerprints for 90 days.

I just rewatched the viedo and it says that the system does not store images and it says they keep the imformation for 30 days not 90.

 

[goofie4goofy]

I just rewatched the viedo and it says that the system does not store images and it says they keep the imformation for 30 days not 90.

Sorry I posted that this morning and after that I did a marathon supermarket shop for Thanksgiving

The fact that they keep the information at all is a little alarming. It may sound like a conspiricy theory, but how do we know they are not collecting info for the Gov't or advertising or whatever??? Everyone goes to WDW at least once in their lifetime, as WDW is a common denomator with a huge percentage of this country. It really isn't that far fetched. It may not be now but in the future.....stranger things have happened.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Just a quick comment on security :

You only see about 1% of it on-stage. It is intentionally kept from you, to both preserve the magic and to keep bad people from knowing the details.

If you think the only security at Disney is that which is visible to you, you'd be sorely mistaken.

NED

I so agree with this. DH just read on one of his law enforcement sites that Disney pays $4 million a year to the Orange County Sheriff's Office. There's a whole lot going on that we don't see. And this isn't taking into account what Disney does itself.

 

[Luv2Roam]

It IS a conspiracy! What better way to cover it than with Mickey and Main St USA?
"The Eagle Flies at Midnight."
Got that?

 

[Fore2213]

Honestly, who cares if disney has "info" on you. All this privacy garbage is going WAY too far. If you have nothing to hide, dont complain. They have legit business reasons for doing this and you cant blame them. IF you dont want to do a scan, go to Universal or your local park. I LOVE the fact that Disney is privately owned and can do what they want!!!!

 

[Fore2213]

OK, so im curious.....exactly what info could Disney "store" on you that would be usefull to the government that they dont already know........talk about silly!!!!!!!

Sorry I posted that this morning and after that I did a marathon supermarket shop for Thanksgiving

The fact that they keep the information at all is a little alarming. It may sound like a conspiricy theory, but how do we know they are not collecting info for the Gov't or advertising or whatever??? Everyone goes to WDW at least once in their lifetime, as WDW is a common denomator with a huge percentage of this country. It really isn't that far fetched. It may not be now but in the future.....stranger things have happened.

 

[Ava]

My dad is paranoid about having his information collected. I gave him my old cell phone but Sprint would not activate it because it doesn't have GPS capabilities. Apparently all new cell phones are required to have GPS tracking for 911? Well, my dad doesn't want to be able to be traced via his cell phone, so he kept his very old phone instead of getting a new one with GPS.

Side note about credit card fraud... if you use your card at a restaurant, check your receipt and if the whole credit card number is printed on it, black out all but the last 4 digits before leaving the signed copy on the table. Any number of people could see your number on that receipt and memorize or copy it - the waiter/waitress, busboys, other patrons, etc.

 

[dpuck1998]

You missed my point. True, I personally don't care what the current "system" is, my point was that the people who do seem to care about this particular system, often accept ones that are far more intrusive and contain a far greater capacity for fraud. But my main point was that none of this would be necessary if people would just follow the rules. But as there will always be people who try to circumnavigate the rules, this is the best that Disney could come up with for now to try and keep fraud in check. They came up with a system that they thought was a happy medium between authentication and privacy rights and ease of use and speed of application. And as a side note to Goofie4Goofy, please don't confuse your right to smoke and hurt yourself with my right to breathe fresh air in public places.

Nope, I got your point. You just quoted me and didn't address mine...I agreed with your point...

 

[dpuck1998]

Honestly, who cares if disney has "info" on you. All this privacy garbage is going WAY too far. If you have nothing to hide, dont complain. They have legit business reasons for doing this and you cant blame them. IF you dont want to do a scan, go to Universal or your local park. I LOVE the fact that Disney is privately owned and can do what they want!!!!

I think the argument is that if you don't care...great...but some people do. Your line of privacy isn't everyone elses line. Oh, and Universal had these before disney...they use them for passholders.

 

[minnie61650]

I have to concede to that. They wouldn't care and I guess when I think about it I wouldn't want my finger print stored either. I do think security is lacking at Disney. Not that it will stop me from going. I would just like to see them put in better security

The bag checks and the finger scanning slows down the crowds entering the parks.

There are many undercover security people watching us as we enter the parks. If you know where to look you would see all kinds of "hidden" security cameras.
I have seen more of those cameras in the parks then anywhere I have vacationed except maybe with the exception of Vegas.

Since 911 WDW is a no fly zone.
Disney has spent mega bucks on security since 9/11 and it would not surprise me at all if along with those Bioscans Disney has or will have in near future.security devices such as Bomb-sniffing technology (there are polymer devices already in use that can pick up on tiny trace amounts of explosive vapors from over 20 feet away).Or the full body backscatter X-ray (which has already been tested at the Orlando airport).

Even though no place is entirly safe I just wanted you to know that there is much more security at Disney than you are aware of.

Have fun at Disney!

 

[goofie4goofy]

Honestly, who cares if disney has "info" on you. All this privacy garbage is going WAY too far. If you have nothing to hide, dont complain. They have legit business reasons for doing this and you cant blame them. IF you dont want to do a scan, go to Universal or your local park. I LOVE the fact that Disney is privately owned and can do what they want!!!!

UMMMM Disney is not privately owned....there is a thing called STOCK HOLDERS. If you don't care that Disney has info on you that is fine, but there are others that feel it is an invasion of privacy. It is not that anyone has anything to hide but why should a theme park collect and have the capability of holding and maybe transferring info on anyone. I have nothing to hide but I am uncertain if I want my finger print scanned and stored for a month in a WDW computer. That is also my choice, as a citizen it is my right to decline and show my photo ID. It is not just about WDW but everything. Did you know if you have Onstar in your car, you can be listened to by an Onstar operator?? If you have a GPS system in your car or phone you can be tracked???

And a NO FLY ZONE is not a big deal, it means a plane cannot fly below 3000 feet within 3 miles of the parks. It is not restricted air space which is completely different. If you look you will see planes and helicopters fly over WDW all the time.

The finger scan is for WDW to prevent theft of service, but who knows in the future what it can be linked to??
A few days ago I would never have believed my AmEx card could be skimmed and used a few days later to purchase thousands of dollars of Vuitton luggage in a store 1000 miles away....but it happened. So the less info there is on you in cyber space, the better.

 

[minnie61650]

.........The finger scan is for WDW to prevent theft of service, but who knows in the future what it can be linked to??
A few days ago I would never have believed my AmEx card could be skimmed and used a few days later to purchase thousands of dollars of Vuitton luggage in a store 1000 miles away....but it happened. So the less info there is on you in cyber space, the better.

I am sorry about your AmEx card being skimmed.
It is called identity theft and I had my CC number stolen and used to purchase airline tickets and spa treatments in Europe and it had been 2 years since I was in Europe. So it did not happen when I was there.

Identity theft happens far too often.

I watched all those identity theft ads on TV and was very careful with my card.

The CC company and I think the number was stolen when I booked airline tickets online even though it was supposed to be a secure site.

It happens.



I think Disney keeps the numerical info (not the actual fingerprint in their data base for 30 days.

From the link you posted:

http://newsinitiative.org/story/2006/09/01/walt_disney_world_the_governments

“It’s essentially a technology upgrade,” said Kim Prunty, spokeswoman for Walt Disney World. The new scanner, like the old finger geometry scanner, "takes an image, identifies a series of points, measures the distance between those points, and turns it into a numerical value." She added, "To call it a fingerprint is a little bit of a stretch."
Prunty said the new system will be easier for guests to use and will reduce wait times. The old machines required visitors to insert two fingers into a reader that identified key information about the shape of the fingers. The new machines scan one fingertip for its fingerprint information. Prunty said the company does not store the entire fingerprint image, but only numerical information about certain points.

 

[Fore2213]

No, there is more to it than that. MY safety and my kids safety is more important than someone being slightly "inconvienienced" standing in a line. This will snowball eventually with organizations like the ACLU (who dont give a you know what about protecting this country) dropping lawsuits everywhere. iF finger scans or profiling stops even a single person from being hurt, then its worth it. There are too many people who yell foul at the mot idiotic things just to make a stink and get their 15 minutes of fame. The ONLY people who need to worry about things like this ARE people who have something to hide, and if they do...sit back and we will get to you soon!!!!

I think the argument is that if you don't care...great...but some people do. Your line of privacy isn't everyone elses line. Oh, and Universal had these before disney...they use them for passholders.

 

[Fore2213]

IF they dont want to let you in, you aint getting in, thats my point about "private". So what info that a theme park can collect will cause issues with your privacy?? Who cares if an Onstar operater hears you??? and who cares if you are tracked?? DO you think they care if you are driving to the store to get milk or to the bowling alley?? Its complete PARANOIA.....the only people who should worry about these things are people who actually have something to hide, and if thats the case, these things will FIND them and get them off the street!!!!

UMMMM Disney is not privately owned....there is a thing called STOCK HOLDERS. If you don't care that Disney has info on you that is fine, but there are others that feel it is an invasion of privacy. It is not that anyone has anything to hide but why should a theme park collect and have the capability of holding and maybe transferring info on anyone. I have nothing to hide but I am uncertain if I want my finger print scanned and stored for a month in a WDW computer. That is also my choice, as a citizen it is my right to decline and show my photo ID. It is not just about WDW but everything. Did you know if you have Onstar in your car, you can be listened to by an Onstar operator?? If you have a GPS system in your car or phone you can be tracked???

And a NO FLY ZONE is not a big deal, it means a plane cannot fly below 3000 feet within 3 miles of the parks. It is not restricted air space which is completely different. If you look you will see planes and helicopters fly over WDW all the time.

The finger scan is for WDW to prevent theft of service, but who knows in the future what it can be linked to??
A few days ago I would never have believed my AmEx card could be skimmed and used a few days later to purchase thousands of dollars of Vuitton luggage in a store 1000 miles away....but it happened. So the less info there is on you in cyber space, the better.

 

[AgentKennyG]

UMMMM Disney is not privately owned....there is a thing called STOCK HOLDERS. If you don't care that Disney has info on you that is fine, but there are others that feel it is an invasion of privacy. It is not that anyone has anything to hide but why should a theme park collect and have the capability of holding and maybe transferring info on anyone. I have nothing to hide but I am uncertain if I want my finger print scanned and stored for a month in a WDW computer. That is also my choice, as a citizen it is my right to decline and show my photo ID. It is not just about WDW but everything. Did you know if you have Onstar in your car, you can be listened to by an Onstar operator?? If you have a GPS system in your car or phone you can be tracked???

And a NO FLY ZONE is not a big deal, it means a plane cannot fly below 3000 feet within 3 miles of the parks. It is not restricted air space which is completely different. If you look you will see planes and helicopters fly over WDW all the time.

The finger scan is for WDW to prevent theft of service, but who knows in the future what it can be linked to??
A few days ago I would never have believed my AmEx card could be skimmed and used a few days later to purchase thousands of dollars of Vuitton luggage in a store 1000 miles away....but it happened. So the less info there is on you in cyber space, the better.

Hey Man welcome to the 21st Century...They do this, not just disney, but EVERYONE, no to just track you, but to make your life more convenient. Google does it, Microsoft does it, everyone on the internet does it. You giving your biometric finger imprint to Disney is a lot less intrusive than posting here, where anyone can get your ip address, and basically track you down. That doesn't even include sites like google tracking your surfing habits...I am just saying privacy wise, Disney's biometric scans are on the low end of invasions of privacy