Refusing the FINGER SCAN??

[blondeheroine]

giving Disney the finger.

 

[goofie4goofy]

The scanners are not about safety of you or your kids they are to prevent theft or misuse of theme park tickets. I do not have anything to hide, but WDW also cannot refuse my entering the park if I do not wish my finger scanned. If I have proper photo ID I will be allowed into the parks.

We are allowed ot have opinions and I for one am not a follower. Just because it is "convenient" for a company to finger scan, does not mean I have to. It does not say I will not be permitted to enter if I don't.

Just because you don;t have anything to hide does not mean it's ok for your privacy to be invaded and taken away inch by inch. Yes technology is a wonderful thing. Ten years ago I never would have dreamed I could take a computer the size of a magazine and be able to work on line while sitting on a caribbean beach or write an e-mail while talking into my car's speaker have it turn voice to text and send it...
These things are all wonderful however technology can also be our disadvantage.

 

[Cheshire Figment]

It does not say I will not be permitted to enter if I don't.

But the line above the magnetic stripe on the tickets say, in red:
NONREFUNDABLE VOID IF ALTERED REVOCABLE ADMIT ONE

And Disney is Private Property.

 

[mattsdragon]

You missed my point. True, I personally don't care what the current "system" is, my point was that the people who do seem to care about this particular system, often accept ones that are far more intrusive and contain a far greater capacity for fraud. But my main point was that none of this would be necessary if people would just follow the rules. But as there will always be people who try to circumnavigate the rules, this is the best that Disney could come up with for now to try and keep fraud in check. They came up with a system that they thought was a happy medium between authentication and privacy rights and ease of use and speed of application. And as a side note to Goofie4Goofy, please don't confuse your right to smoke and hurt yourself with my right to breathe fresh air in public places.

*dingdingdingding* We have a winner.

Are you familiar with the saying "locks keep honest people honest"? The finger scan is a lock. How often do we see people asking for advice on how to use someone's old, unused ticket, or get a Fla resident pass? Even things such as allowing kids to wear heelys in the parks are problems because people are violating the rules set forth, and thereby causing further problems down the line. It's the butterfly effect.

If everyone followed the rules, we wouldn't have finger scans, intersection cameras, or the NSA tapping our phones. Keep that in mind the next time you use the term "victem-less crime".

And, BTW, my VADL has my SSN on it. My fingerprints are on file as I am a member of the military, and am required to be printed. I don't care if Disney takes a finger scan. They can't do anything with that data, but I guard my SSN like I guard my wallet. More info can be taken by showing an ID than with a finger scan. So can we now please get those with the tinfoil on their heads to come out of the foil lined closet so we can all go ride IASW.

I talk like a conspiracy theorist to make others think I'm a nutcase so I can get out of tedious conversations.

 

[mattsdragon]

Sorry I posted that this morning and after that I did a marathon supermarket shop for Thanksgiving

The fact that they keep the information at all is a little alarming. It may sound like a conspiricy theory, but how do we know they are not collecting info for the Gov't or advertising or whatever??? Everyone goes to WDW at least once in their lifetime, as WDW is a common denomator with a huge percentage of this country. It really isn't that far fetched. It may not be now but in the future.....stranger things have happened.

I guarantee they are collecting ALL the info they can on you for advertising, it's called market research, and all cooperations do that. But the government comment, that sounds a lot like a conspiracy theory (see my above comment re: conspiracy theory-speak)

I hope you aren't shopping for groceries at a piggly wiggly, you can pay with your fingerprint there.

 

[minnie61650]

UMMMM Did you know if you have Onstar in your car, you can be listened to by an Onstar operator?? If you have a GPS system in your car or phone you can be tracked???

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Yes, I do know if I have Onstar in my car, I can be listened to by an Onstar operator. That is for my safety. If I am in an accident and the air bags go off Onstar can try to talk to me and see if I am OK. They can listen to what is happening in the car so they can send help if they think I am hurt and cannot respond.

Cell phones are also tracked now.

That makes me feel safer.

Some years ago before the tracking devices in the cell phones a man was shot in a drive by shooting, called 911 and bled to death before police were able to locate his whereabouts. I remember that case very well,the cell phone company was tring to use the old trianglulate method to find him. It was so sad.

Disney has a lot of my personal info.
Am I worried what they using it for?
Not really--I am just kinda hoping they will see I am a good customer and send me a PIN code!

 

[tlev]

Nope, I got your point. You just quoted me and didn't address mine...I agreed with your point...

Nope, I did address yours. Your point was that everyone's "Line of Privacy" was different. I was saying how weird it was that a person's "Line" seems to move all over the map for each situation. No, to finger scans at an amusement park; but Yes, to showing your driver's license number and possibly SSN to a total stranger standing outside that same amusement park; Yes, to physically handing your credit card to a total stranger who then leaves with it for a period of time.

 

[dpuck1998]

No, there is more to it than that. MY safety and my kids safety is more important than someone being slightly "inconvienienced" standing in a line. This will snowball eventually with organizations like the ACLU (who dont give a you know what about protecting this country) dropping lawsuits everywhere. iF finger scans or profiling stops even a single person from being hurt, then its worth it. There are too many people who yell foul at the mot idiotic things just to make a stink and get their 15 minutes of fame. The ONLY people who need to worry about things like this ARE people who have something to hide, and if they do...sit back and we will get to you soon!!!!

As was said many times already...this has nothing to do with protecting you or your kids. Its about ticket fraud...nothing else.

 

[salmoneous]

Who cares if an Onstar operater hears you???

I do

and who cares if you are tracked??

I do

Its complete PARANOIA

It's not paranoia at all. It's valuing your privacy. If you don't value your privacy, fine. But don't go around insulting people who do.

the only people who should worry about these things are people who actually have something to hide,

Do you always go around telling people how they should live their lives, what they should and shouldn't value, etc?

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

I think that I can sum this up very quickly. The finger scan is to prevent people from using expired tickets, this way those discount ticket outlets on 192 & International Drive won't be stealing people's money. So it has nothing to do with WDW finding out private information about you & your family, so if you still don't want to use the finger scan, don't travel to WDW.

 

[salmoneous]

I was saying how weird it was that a person's "Line" seems to move all over the map for each situation. No, to finger scans at an amusement park; but Yes, to showing your driver's license number and possibly SSN to a total stranger standing outside that same amusement park; Yes, to physically handing your credit card to a total stranger who then leaves with it for a period of time.

People are privacy nuts for different reasons. My FIL is a privacy nut because he's worried about being ripped off. Me? I not particularly concerned about being ripped off. If somebody steals my CC#, that's VISA's problem, not mine (yeah, I know, it's also a giant PITA).

But basic information about who I am and what I do is something I value highly. It's nobody else's business, and I'm not about to part with it willingly.

 

[minnie61650]

People are privacy nuts for different reasons. My FIL is a privacy nut because he's worried about being ripped off. Me? I not particularly concerned about being ripped off. If somebody steals my CC#, that's VISA's problem, not mine (yeah, I know, it's also a giant PITA).

But basic information about who I am and what I do is something I value highly. It's nobody else's business, and I'm not about to part with it willingly.

I just do not connect privacy issues with the finger scanners.

Disney only saves the numerical value Not the finger print.

From this website already posted:

http://newsinitiative.org/story/2006/09/01/walt_disney_world_the_governments

Disney’s Prunty said the company’s system will not be linked to a law enforcement fingerprint database. "Truly the only application is to link the ticket with the numerical value," she said.

 

[tlev]

People are privacy nuts for different reasons. My FIL is a privacy nut because he's worried about being ripped off. Me? I not particularly concerned about being ripped off. If somebody steals my CC#, that's VISA's problem, not mine (yeah, I know, it's also a giant PITA).

But basic information about who I am and what I do is something I value highly. It's nobody else's business, and I'm not about to part with it willingly.

I guess I still just don't understand this kind of thinking, I am not putting it down, just disagreeing with it, everyone is entitled to their own feelings on the subject. But has been stated already in this thread, if you refuse the finger scan, you must show picture ID. Why is it better to show your drivers license to a total stranger, possibly revealing your name, address, driver's license # and SSN#, then to have a math algorithm of your fingerprint stored somewhere for thirty days?

 

[Cheshire Figment]

Just a side comment. All WDW cast are fingerprinted prior to employment. This is done on the day you sign all sorts of forms, have a minor health inspection and other stuff. It is prior to your application being formally accepted for employment. You have to sign a permission slip for them to do the fingerprinting and also to check you against the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's database and I think also the National Crime Information Center. It is voluntary for you to sign, but if you refuse to sign, or certain derogatory data comes back, you will not be employed.

 

[trypnotic]

Sorry.

 

[Fore2213]

I understand that....but it starts here with a complaint about a single finger scan and next think you know, you will be thrown in jail for looking at a muslim the wrong way because you "may have been thinking something bad about them" The people on the far far left want no law, no dicipline. They dont want to be told where to go or how to go there at anyones expense. I know the scans are for fraud, but the left wing loonies use things like this to further their demeneted causes. Its like why do real americans care about what goes on in a prison in Gitmo??? We are at war and there are too many americans for my liking who are too concerned with the rights of the enemy.

I worked with a guy like that last year and he told me something which was so pathetic i almost got sick....we were discussing wiretaps and i asked him if a wiretap (legal or illegal) could have stopped 9/11 would that have been ok and he said "no, its not worth the rights of one person being violated" That statement sums up the looney left..i see it from Ted Kennedy all the time.....makes me sick that he represents my state.

So in closeing, this is all about how things WILL snowball unless we stop this "ooooh my privacy" nonsense now!!!

As was said many times already...this has nothing to do with protecting you or your kids. Its about ticket fraud...nothing else.

 

[salmoneous]

Why is it better to show your drivers license to a total stranger, possibly revealing your name, address, driver's license # and SSN#, then to have a math algorithm of your fingerprint stored somewhere for thirty days?

Really requires a long answer, but to avoid boring people, here's the short version:

Everything on my DL is already in the public record and sitting in any number of computers. My fingerprints aren't. I'd rather they not reside for even a second in Disney's computers, especially given the propensity for the government to ask corporations to turn over massive amounts of person data on their customers, and the propensity for corporations to comply.

 

[salmoneous]

Its like why do real americans care about what goes on in a prison in Gitmo???

Many "real Americans" care about the acts of their government. And, since you seem to have completely divorced your comments from anything having to do with theme parks, and just insulting your fellow DIS posters (and fellow Americans,) perhaps you should take your rants over to the Community board.

 

[Fore2213]

What i am talking about is the heart of this discussion. I have insulted no one, not sure where you got that from. Its sad so many people are blind to what is really going on in this country. If you cant handle the truth in a duscussion like this, then perhaps you should post elsewhere. This was what the first poster intended when they started this. It amazes me that liberals in this country will fight to the death for freedom of speech,,,that is unless you say something they disagree with (which is usually the truth)...and no, i am not calling you specifically a liberal, just making a point!!!

Many "real Americans" care about the acts of their government. And, since you seem to have completely divorced your comments from anything having to do with theme parks, and just insulting your fellow DIS posters (and fellow Americans,) perhaps you should take your rants over to the Community board.

 

[ufgator]

I've never put my finger in the scanner because I don't like germs and tons of people touch them per day. We just show our ID and the CM punches something in the gate and lets us through.