Refusing the FINGER SCAN??

[disneygal33]

We have always lived in an era of terrorism. That should never take away our privacy.

I'm a privacy nut - not because I have anything to hide - but because I value my privacy. Just because you don't value your privacy the same way, please don't put down people who do. Everybody places value on different things.

I have no problem with the Disney scanners because they aren't particularly invasive. But if, say, they took an actual fingerprint, I'd refuse. And if that meant no Disney for me, so be it.

In my home I am fiercely protective of my privacy but when I am in an airport, at a theme park etc I am willing to surrender some of my privacy for more security. Yes, there has always been terrorism, but never has it been so easy for people wanting to kill innocents. I am not sorry for what I said. I would like to see Disney put more security in. They already have every piece of info they could possibly want from you. If it takes a finger print to assure I am using my ticket and not some nut with a bomb strapped to her back I say so be it!!

 

[TinkerbellMama]

Does anyone know if you can refuse the finger scan based on PRIVACY ISSUES?? Thought I read that if yu are willing to show valid ID ( drivers license,etc) they can not force you to do the FINGER SCAN?? Just curious as to DISNEYWORLD policy.

My stepfather, who has an AP, refuses it everytime. He simply has his ID out and shows it to the CM at the turnstyle. HTH!

 

[dpuck1998]

In my home I am fiercely protective of my privacy but when I am in an airport, at a theme park etc I am willing to surrender some of my privacy for more security. Yes, there has always been terrorism, but never has it been so easy for people wanting to kill innocents. I am not sorry for what I said. I would like to see Disney put more security in. They already have every piece of info they could possibly want from you. If it takes a finger print to assure I am using my ticket and not some nut with a bomb strapped to her back I say so be it!!

If you think this system is in place to deter terrorism then you are sadly mistaken.

 

[bytheblood]

I think there are more privacy issues with having to show a DL & ID than giving Disney the finger.

 

[goofie4goofy]

Like other posters have stated the finger scanners are nothing to be wary of. They are not taking your fingerprint. I do understand your concerns. It is not that you have anything to hide it is a matter of the whole "Big Brother" thing. WDW has a file on you anyway Every time you use your room key, make a complaint or a compliment, make a call....it's all there.


This is OT but just a note for your own protection. I was recently a victim of identity theft. A restaurant in the town where we live and are frequent patrons of was part of a credit card skimming ring. I only know this because I was privy to information others don't have....I saw the arrest report. A woman working in the restaurant was skimming credit card numbers and both of my AmEx cards were compromised. Imagine my surprise when I looked on line at my bill and saw $12,000.00 worth of Vuitton luggage charged to my account from a Saks in Columbus OH on my gold card and $15,000 of jewelery on my Plat. The charges were removed but it is a tremendous hassle in protecting myself from more damage.

The woman at AmEx fraud dep't gave me some tips I would like to pass along to you, since we are all travelers

As what was told to me the most secure way to use any credit card is the less it it is exposed the better. So do charge to your room and do not carry your credit cards around the parks...lock them in your safe. I am not saying this is 100% but it is much, much safer.

When using your card, make sure you get your OWN card back. This is true especially in restaurants. Look at your card before putting it back in your wallet to make sure it was not switched.

Be wary of a "double swipe" if you see your card being swiped in 2 different machines question it immediately. They may make an excuse that 1 machine is not working and they have to use a different one. The skimming device may also be on the person.

When using your card, do not let anyone see it or see your pin #.

I know these things may seem obvious, but then again I never thought this would happen to me. I always thought credit card companies call you when there is an unusual charge. In most cases they do, but criminals know their way around these things. Just a note to everyone to be alert with their cards and protect yourself as much as you can during all times and especially the Holiday shopping season.

If you live on Long Island, Nassau County, PM me and I will tell you the restaurant for your protection. I don't know if I am allowed to post the name and address of the restaurant on a public message board or I would.

 

[disneygal33]

If you think this system is in place to deter terrorism then you are sadly mistaken.

No I don't think that is why it is in place, but I think it helps. It's in place to cut down on ticket fraud. I think Disney needs more security. If that makes me a horrible person I can live with that. The best part is, if Disney is ever a terrorist target you will all start shouting that they didn't do enough to keep the place safe. You can't have it both ways.

Now please feel free to flame me now

 

[trypnotic]

NewEnglandDisney has some very valid points. Whenever I call Disney World, they know everything about me. I give them my email address. They probably have the technology to easily hack their way into my life. The finger scan doesn't do anything for them. And I think it would be more of a pain as a guest to keep refusing the scan and having to show ID every time.

I also agree with this. Do everyone a favor and don't hold the line up more than they are already.

 

[ransom]

No I don't think that is why it is in place, but I think it helps. It's in place to cut down on ticket fraud. I think Disney needs more security. If that makes me a horrible person I can live with that. The best part is, if Disney is ever a terrorist target you will all start shouting that they didn't do enough to keep the place safe. You can't have it both ways.

Now please feel free to flame me now

No flames.

Just a comment.

While I don't mind Disney doing the finger scan, I just wanted to point out that there is no way that system will prevent terrorism since they don't have the finger scans of every person on earth and do not tie in to a database of known terrorists' finger scans.

Besides, suicide bombers would not fear the system even if it did have their scans, since they already want to die. They would just do their dirty work while everyone is waiting in the queue if Disney were ever to somehow get finger scans of all terrorists (I don't know how they'd do that, of course).

On the subject of privacy concerns, it would bother me if my actual finger print were stored in a computer to the same extent that it bothers me when my signature is stored in computers when I sign those electronic pads when making purchases via credit card. When anything that is used to prove my identity is stored anywhere, it bothers me, because I don't want anyone other than me to be able to prove he is me! Anything that's been digitized is infinitely copyable and malleable.

It's not invasions of privacy I fear, it's identity theft.

 

[disneygal33]

No flames.

Just a comment.

While I don't mind Disney doing the finger scan, I just wanted to point out that there is no way that system will prevent terrorism since they don't have the finger scans of every person on earth and do not tie in to a database of known terrorists' finger scans.

Besides, suicide bombers would not fear the system even if it did have their scans, since they already want to die. They would just do their dirty work while everyone is waiting in the queue if Disney were ever to somehow get finger scans of all terrorists (I don't know how they'd do that, of course).

On the subject of privacy concerns, it would bother me if my actual finger print were stored in a computer to the same extent that it bothers me when my signature is stored in computers when I sign those electronic pads when making purchases via credit card. When anything that is used to prove my identity is stored anywhere, it bothers me, because I don't want anyone other than me to be able to prove he is me! Anything that's been digitized is infinitely copyable and malleable.

It's not invasions of privacy I fear, it's identity theft.

I have to concede to that. They wouldn't care and I guess when I think about it I wouldn't want my finger print stored either. I do think security is lacking at Disney. Not that it will stop me from going. I would just like to see them put in better security

 

[ransom]

I have to concede to that. They wouldn't care and I guess when I think about it I wouldn't want my finger print stored either. I do think security is lacking at Disney. Not that it will stop me from going. I would just like to see them put in better security

Since we'll have our first trip to WDW in a little more than two weeks, I'll keep your words in mind and pay attention to security. It'll be so strange having to think about security at a Disney park, though. Last time I went (nearly 20 years ago), that was the furthest thing from my mind! Well, okay, I might have worried about pick pockets, but otherwise no worries. What a world, eh?

 

[disneygal33]

Since we'll have our first trip to WDW in a little more than two weeks, I'll keep your words in mind and pay attention to security. It'll be so strange having to think about security at a Disney park, though. Last time I went (nearly 20 years ago), that was the furthest thing from my mind! Well, okay, I might have worried about pick pockets, but otherwise no worries. What a world, eh?

What a world indeed. Who would have thought we'd ever have to worry about sending our kids to school, or to a friends house down the street to play. It's a different world then when I grew up and I'm only 33.

 

[salmoneous]

I think Disney needs more security. If that makes me a horrible person I can live with that. The best part is, if Disney is ever a terrorist target you will all start shouting that they didn't do enough to keep the place safe. You can't have it both ways.

Now please feel free to flame me now

Thinking Disney needs more security doesn't make you a horrible person - nothing wrong with having options.

Kinda wish you wouldn't go around attacking people for not agreeing with you, but I'll leave the flame throwing to you.

 

[Cheshire Figment]

Basically I have a few comments related.

It is unfortunate but the main reason to have the scan is to prevent fraud. Disney used to use UV flourescent inks but some tour companies made duplicates of the stamps, would send a busload of people to one park. One person would collect all the tivckets and go back out. Another grouo, using the same touring company, would then go to a different park about an hour later and they would stamp everyone with the "stamp of the day" and reuse the tickets.

Also, based on the pricing structure Disney wants to make sure that the tickets are not transferred.

I work as a Greeter/Ticket Sales/Guest Services. If I have someone come to my turnstile and tell me they do not want to do the finger scan I will ask to see both their ticket and a photo ID. If the ticket already has a name on it, and it matches the photo ID, I will then run the ticket through the turnstile with a biometric override. If there is no name on the ticket I will immediately write the name that is on the ID, in ink, in an open area on the stripe side of the ticket and then run the ticket through the reader with a biometric override.

 

[I'mNoPrince]

Thanks CF I didn't know how this turned into a terrorist thread . I always knew it was to stop others from using the tickets of someone else.

I also like the idea of you writing that persons name on the ticket as well.

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[goofie4goofy]

No flames.

Just a comment.

While I don't mind Disney doing the finger scan, I just wanted to point out that there is no way that system will prevent terrorism since they don't have the finger scans of every person on earth and do not tie in to a database of known terrorists' finger scans.

Besides, suicide bombers would not fear the system even if it did have their scans, since they already want to die. They would just do their dirty work while everyone is waiting in the queue if Disney were ever to somehow get finger scans of all terrorists (I don't know how they'd do that, of course).

On the subject of privacy concerns, it would bother me if my actual finger print were stored in a computer to the same extent that it bothers me when my signature is stored in computers when I sign those electronic pads when making purchases via credit card. When anything that is used to prove my identity is stored anywhere, it bothers me, because I don't want anyone other than me to be able to prove he is me! Anything that's been digitized is infinitely copyable and malleable.

It's not invasions of privacy I fear, it's identity theft.

WDW is not scanning your fingerprint. Also in order to steal your identity thru your fingerprint, there has to be a lot of information attached to that fingerprint....credit card numbers, Social security #, name address & phone. None of those things are attached to your fingerprint unless you have been arrested or bonded. The finger scan is to protect from ticket theft. I also wonder how good it does work as mistakenly, I have gone thru with my husbands ticket and he with mine and nothing happened.


Also, in order to actually scan, store and cross reference every fingerprint of every person that passes thur WDW parks could be a highly sophisticated and extremely expensive computer system....something the likes of our gov't does not even have. Since WDW cannot get the ADR system working properly, I would not worry about it.

Speaking of ADR's you have more to worry about giving your credit card number to secure an ADR than you do the finger scan.

 

[taximomfor4]

We held up the entrance line once ... the CM handed us a pen and had us write our names on our own tickets. And we HAD used the finger scanner. This happened on 2 different trips.

 

[dpuck1998]

WDW is not scanning your fingerprint. Also in order to steal your identity thru your fingerprint, there has to be a lot of information attached to that fingerprint....credit card numbers, Social security #, name address & phone. None of those things are attached to your fingerprint unless you have been arrested or bonded. The finger scan is to protect from ticket theft. I also wonder how good it does work as mistakenly, I have gone thru with my husbands ticket and he with mine and nothing happened.


Also, in order to actually scan, store and cross reference every fingerprint of every person that passes thur WDW parks could be a highly sophisticated and extremely expensive computer system....something the likes of our gov't does not even have. Since WDW cannot get the ADR system working properly, I would not worry about it.

Speaking of ADR's you have more to worry about giving your credit card number to secure an ADR than you do the finger scan.

Hmm..I seriously doubt disney lacks the computing power to store fingerprints. In fact when this story hit the news a few months ago, it was published that they aren't storing fingerprints, but the company they are using does provide that option with the software and it would only take a change to a "few lines of code". I could care less if they took a blood sample myself, but I don't think its computing power that is keeping them from doing it.

 

[NewEnglandDisney]

Just a quick comment on security :

You only see about 1% of it on-stage. It is intentionally kept from you, to both preserve the magic and to keep bad people from knowing the details.

If you think the only security at Disney is that which is visible to you, you'd be sorely mistaken.

NED

 

[kaabost]

The biometric scan doesn't bother me. In fact, finger prints would be fine with me because I am more afriad of terrorists than "Big Brother." Imagine, how much more safe the parks would be if there were a system in place that took everyones fingerprint and any that matched that of a convicted child molester, terrorist, etc. wouldn't be admitted.

However, people that I am very close to feel completely different. These people don't trust the government or large corporations such as Disney. They don't fully believe that finger prints aren't taken just because some people on a message board tell them there is no fingerprint scan.

I suppose it all boils down to which you are more afraid of..........terorists/child molesters/etc. or "Big Brother"

 

[Luv2Roam]

Disney DOES have my fingerprints and I don't mind a bit. Only time I have been fingerprinted.
This thread gives me visions of Tink and Brer Bear sitting in back rooms looking closely over computer screens to see if the finger scan matches the guest. NOW that would be a pin to have.