Refuse to give Disney your Finger-print?

[nanlou]

Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party?

I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist.

This has been an interesting thread to read. But I am a bit amazed at the number of people who think it's dumb to look out for one's own privacy. As for us, well, we put our finger on the scanner. But I am most definitely sympathetic to those who wish not to, for ANY reason, and given that it's Disney's policy to allow guests to opt out, I see no reason to be upset when other people exercise that option. IMHO, a little paranoia never really hurt anyone.... (And if you do belong to the Communist party, you better watch out, 'cause Walt just might point his finger at you. )

 

[NYDisGuy]

2) What's crazy is automatically doing anything you are told, no matter how invasive or unsettling, without question. Blind faith is the surest path to abuse. So we should all be rebels? Disney World has the right to protect their assets, its called abiding by the rules.


3) I'll buck any system that I feel is unreasonably invasive of my privacy, or that I feel is illegal, un-Constitutional, or dangerous, whether it's a government system or one from a private company. Standing up for your rights as an individual is the most patriotic, American thing a person can do; the Founding Fathers standing up for their rights is the whole reason this country exists in the first place. So Disney has no rights then? As consumers, we cant use the constitution or the "customer is always right" clause to get whatever we want. What if the OP was bypassing the scan to sell her tickets on Ebay in direct violation of Disney, would you still have this attitude?

4) This system is demonstrably NOT in place for anyone's safety. It is in place to prevent sharing and transferring of park passes. Agree

5) I disagree that the OP is looking for a confrontation. OP simply seems uncomfortable about the finger scan; I understand this, because I am too. This isnt the 1970's, people are smarter and more computer savvy then ever. Disney is protecting themselves from scalping which happens to be illegal. People from overseas come to Disney all the time then sell their leftover tickets on the market, which is costing you and all of us more money because Disney is losing on ticket sales so they have to up the prices. Maybe you will realize why some people who have to save pennies to go to Disney will be angry when someone will not follow rules that cost people who do money.

6) I hope whatever you wish on other people, good or bad, comes back on you.

7) Here on earth, we like to protect ourselves from identity theft, stalking, and plain old house burglaries, by limiting the amount of our personal info that floats around in the public domain. Please tell me what someone can do with two curves of your finger? What you are saying is if I look at you then I can steal your identity?

And YES, I most certainly do have something to hide - my LIFE. I have a right to privacy, and I dislike anything that erodes that right, even a small thing like Disney keeping a biometric identifier tag from me and storing it along with my other sensitive personal information. Then don't shop with your credit card, wear a bag over your face and lock your doors. Honestly, the conspiracy theroies have to stop. This is a measure that Disney has to take to protect themselves from people robbing them. Your elitist attitude is demonstrating that Disney has no rights because they are a big business.

For the record, I also don't like the bag checks, which is why I limit my park paraphernalia to stuff I can carry on my belt or in my pockets, so I can skip the bag check most of the time. When I do have a bag of some kind, I comply with the mandatory bag check - I just don't like it. Bag checks are mandatory because of 9/11. Contrary to what CNN tells you, we are always in immediate danger and I applaud theme parks and sports venues for bag checks. I like to feel safe when im on vacation.

Not trying to flame your post, but your suggesting everyone rebel against rules like we live in the mid 1970's. It's important for us to respect Disney's rules because A) their prices will inflate if more and more people transfer their tickets and B) because we chose to go to Disney. If I went to your house and didnt take off my shoes even if you asked because it impeded against my rights as an American, what would you do? Im sure you would ask me to leave. So why is it wrong if Disney does the same thing to you?

 

[Andy B]

Lots of replies quick! LOL

My personal concern is just a really a personal preference.

Not paranoid at all, I just object to providing Disney with the same info that the FBI would ask for..LOL

From an article from the Medill School of Journalism Northwestern University

However, the use of this technology has riled privacy advocates, who believe Disney has not fully disclosed the purpose of its new system. There are no signs posted at the entrance detailing what information is being collected and how it is being used. Attendants at the entrance will explain the system, if asked.

“The lack of transparency has always been a problem,” said Lillie Coney, associate director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, who added that Disney's use of technology "fails a proportionality test" by requiring too much personal information for theme park access.

"What they're doing is taking a technology that was used to control access to high-level security venues and they're applying it to controlling access to a theme park," Coney said.

"It's impossible for them to convince me that all they are getting is the fact that that person is the ticket-holder," said George Crossley, president of the Central Florida ACLU.

What other information are they getting from this? a DNA sample to clone the guests to use instead of animatronics?

There have been hundreds of articles written about this. And anytime you have Republicans, Democrats, Indy's, Conservative think tanks, Liberal think tanks, the Religous right, and the ACLU all saying that something is fishy, well then I just personally error on side of caution and will not participate.

and those Kennedy events are all suspicious and can you believe that 911 was real or if it was that someone else wasn't to blane. And the moon landings, who believes that?

Besides, we get through the turnstyles more quickly refusing than those folks who actually put their fingers in the scanners.

Was not trying to offend anyone. We just get a creepy feeling about the policy and wondered how other people felt. I know there are thousands upon thousands of other guests who refuse the scans, but even if it was just our family that refused, that would be okay also.

Actually I do not wish too much information to be held about me but clearly hte level of definition on the scans is not up to that required for security or legal standards. At the end of the day you do not have to go to DIsneyworld. If you do not approve don't go or just suck it up.

 

[LadyTrampScamp&Angel]

Didn't read all 9 pages of this thread but it never even occured to me to object to having my fingerprint scanned.

Clear conscience I guess

 

[Noevo]

I applaud the OP for taking nasty comments in a stride.

I don't personally don't think Disney is doing anything underhanded with the finger scans, but I completely understand the apprehension. I'm kind of surprised that so many people are finding the idea that someone could be collecting more information than they say they are as being absurd. I hardly think that warrants a "tin hat" comment. And I don't think Disney's use of this technology is completely necessary. The OP hasn't said anywhere that he is causing a scene or even telling anyone else in line that he's against it. He has his reasons for being cautious, and he handles it appropriately.

Not wanting to do the fingerscan did not warrant the tin hat comment. Brigning up implanting chips into childrens heads in a thread about fingerscans at WDW is what earned the op a tin hat. It also answered all I needed to know about why they don't want to do it. conspiracy theorists. people who beleive everything they read and hear without doing any research of their own. they think they're better than others because they're not being sheep and just following the rules, when in fact they're following something else that they trust because it sounds good to them and supports what they do or don't want to do.

we have become a nation of non-thinkers. we all want people to affirm what we're doing just so we can justify it.

soap box for sale here. will need fingerprints for out of state checks though

 

[Lisa Hale]

(And if you do belong to the Communist party, you better watch out, 'cause Walt just might point his finger at you. )

um...would he be pointing that finger from his cryogenic chamber???



Sorry, too easy! I had some fun with this one early on, but like I said then, it's the OP (and anyone else who agrees) complete right and privilege to not do this. That's the whole reason we use a lanyard that holds tickets, cash, ID & room cards. We prefer not to deal with the security check point, when I had a diaper bag/back pack, we did it. Not fun, but whatever. Now, kids are old enough not to have to do this, so we don't. Same thing as not scanning really. It's not a requirement, therefore no one is doing anything against Disney policy. Simple matter of personal preference.

I'd much rather get upset about people smoking in lines or attractions or something that really affects me. This only really affects the OP, so no big deal.

BTW, my DH was a victim of identity fraud, it did take some time to work through, did have to report it to federal authorities, did have to have things removed from credit reports (over-rated system full of incompetents, but that's only my opinion), contacted state, local and federal authorities, had to prove residency and status of job (to prove where he was on certain days), etc. So, yes we do understand what the threat of ID theft is all about. This is a simple measure of ticket accountability though, so I don't believe this is a threat. Much more of a threat is giving a credit card to a stranger to pay for something (as someone said, they often walk away with them), etc. Which is why we don't use credit cards - got one long enough to use for free dining (it was a disney visa), then promptly canceled it. We use cash & traveler's checks and at home only, we use Debit cards. We also check our credit report every 6 months and have alerts on it.

There is only so much you can worry about, though and this isn't one of them for us.

Live in peace, people! We all have personal freedoms...it's what is so great about our Country.

 

[Nom]

Didn't read all 9 pages of this thread but it never even occured to me to object to having my fingerprint scanned.

Clear conscience I guess

Read WillCAD's post on the top of pg six to understand why people may object to the finger scan. it has nothing to do with having a clear conscience or trying to hide something.

 

[Nom]

conspiracy theorists. people who beleive everything they read and hear without doing any research of their own.

In my opinion, the people who believe everything they hear and read without doing any research of their own are the people who would blindly do the finger scan, and the people who have posted that they would give WDW a DNA sample to get in the door. The people that you call 'conspiracy theorists' at least have taken some time to consider different sources of information instead of blindly believeing that nothing bad will ever come of these finger scans.

I don't think I am better than anyone else. I do the finger scans... but they do make me a little uncomfortable.

 

[12kizuna]

I fully respect anyone's personal preferences, and if someone doesn't have to do a finger scan, and it's not mandatory, why fight it?

The one thing I have a terrible problem with, is the conspiracy thing Noevo was mentioning. It's one thing to state an opinion and back it up, but it's another to believe everything you read on the internet and go around telling people the false information that they've read.
It doesn't matter how many sites you've found the information on, or what a CM at WDW told you... if you don't have a credible source fully explaining the system to you, I think it's absurd that people jump to conclusions like they have been in this post. I think allearsnet has a good explanation of it, but I find it a tad annoying when people will go and look for sites that support a conspiracy theory, or blow a system out of proportion in terms of what it's purpose is and what it is capable of.

That said, I fully support anyone's decisions and opinions about their privacy, but I just wish people would get the facts first. If they can't, then please try not to spread things further among everyone that just probably isn't true, and causing -everyone- to be paranoid that disney is keeping all of their personal info in some secret database.

 

[LadyTrampScamp&Angel]

I know it doesn't really come through on a post but that was a lighthearted remark, hence the smiling face.

I did read through some people's concerns but I can't say I share them. It still doesn't bother me if they scan my fingerprint.

 

[peel]

Not wanting to do the fingerscan did not warrant the tin hat comment. Brigning up implanting chips into childrens heads in a thread about fingerscans at WDW is what earned the op a tin hat. It also answered all I needed to know about why they don't want to do it. conspiracy theorists. people who beleive everything they read and hear without doing any research of their own. they think they're better than others because they're not being sheep and just following the rules, when in fact they're following something else that they trust because it sounds good to them and supports what they do or don't want to do.

we have become a nation of non-thinkers. we all want people to affirm what we're doing just so we can justify it.

soap box for sale here. will need fingerprints for out of state checks though

Maybe you can get the OP to expand on his comment, but it seems to me that it wasn't a conspiracy theory, rather a legitimate product from a legitimate technology company. In fact, I have seen it brought up on several news programs over the last couple of years. I'm just not sure which candidate he's referring to.
That said, he wasn't relating the two stories together, and I think he and many others have been pretty clear about non-conspiracy theorist reasons for their concerns.

 

[MarylandPizzaman]

I am sorry if some of you are willing to take a WDW vacation with a terrorist or someone that is on the FBI's most wanted list. Don't you think that Disney's fingerprint scan is connected to a data bank to alert them if a wanted criminal is trying to enter the park?
Would you like to ride with someone like that or think your child is on a ride with them???
Safety is a big part of the fingerprint scanning.
Like it or not the fingerprinting is for everyones best interest.
If you don't like the fingerprinting go to Six flags.
I also agree that if the reason for not wanting to fingerprint is so that the OP can sell their tickets on ebay, Then SHAME ON YOU!!!!

 

[LukenDC]

The finger scanner does not bother me in the least. I would have to suspect Disney of something sinster in order for it to bother me, in which case I would not be visiting Disney at all.

 

[NYDisGuy]

I am sorry if some of you are willing to take a WDW vacation with a terrorist or someone that is on the FBI's most wanted list. Don't you think that Disney's fingerprint scan is connected to a data bank to alert them if a wanted criminal is trying to enter the park?
Would you like to ride with someone like that or think your child is on a ride with them???
Safety is a big part of the fingerprint scanning.
Like it or not the fingerprinting is for everyones best interest.
If you don't like the fingerprinting go to Six flags.

Are you not reading the replies to your original post. The machine does not scan fingerprints. It has nothing to do with your security, it is to prevent people from selling the tickets online or transferring them.

 

[happygirl]

#1 IT'S NOT MANDATORY!
#2 Have you ever been held up behind someone who chose not to scan their finger?
#3 Did you read the OP say they get through faster than everyone else?

Seriously, why on earth are people getting bent out of shape over someone's personal choice that is not infringing at all on anyone else?

LOL yes it does hold up the line, anytime any objects it always takes longer

 

[lustergirl]

have no objections- nothing to hide, they can check my prints now and forever as long as I am getting into the parks to enjoy myself- who cares really?? With all of the increased measures of security everywhere this is par for the course if it is really happening. Compared to having your phone tapped or something extreme this is way below any of that.

 

[finnster77]

First of all, I think Disney portrays the fingerscan to be mandatory. Just because they accomodate a few troublemakers doesn't change the spirit of the requirement.

The problem that I have with people who are unwilling to comply is that it could hit ME in the pocketbook. The reason my 5th and sixth days at Disney are so cheap is because they have a system in place that protects people from sharing tickets. Some folks want the discount, but not the rules that go with it. People refusing the scan should pay the single day price for each day of their ticket.

That being said, people DO have the choice not to be "scanned", but Disney should have the right to refuse entry. Going to Disney but only following the rules you choose is NOT your "constitutional right."

 

[marivaid]

I am sorry if some of you are willing to take a WDW vacation with a terrorist or someone that is on the FBI's most wanted list. Don't you think that Disney's fingerprint scan is connected to a data bank to alert them if a wanted criminal is trying to enter the park?

Please tell me you don't really believe what you wrote.

 

[Noevo]

and if they did take it to fingerprint level, it would be awful to catch pedophiles at the gate.


i understand opting out if you want, but the reasoning is suspect IMHO. But that's because I am not relying on second hand information regarding the technology.

identity theft, which has been mostly ignored when anyone brings up the credit card info and all that we all give disney, is not going to happen based on what disney is using this technology for. no identity thief would get enough info from it to be usefull. AND if they were good enough to get in to the system they wouldn't waste time with digital fingers they would be going for your rewards visa and your address because they would also have access to your reservations and know when you weren't going to be at your address.

some people are just more willing to give the finger than others I guess. to each his/her own. I just ask that people be informed on decisions they make and don't just do a copy/paste of this is why I won't. come up with it on you own.

 

[Lisa Hale]

some people are just more willing to give the finger than others I guess.

Boy, have I felt like doing this a time or two at Disney, but I restrained myself. Oops, not what you meant is it??