Refuse to give Disney your Finger-print?

[lillygator]

OP - do you let them search your bags or does that make you "uncomfortable" as well?

 

[NYDisGuy]

First off these fingerscans aren't for security purposes, they are to prevent anyone from using your card. So if you drop it in the park or sell it on ebay, it cannot be used by the other person. Secondly, what do you people think someone can do with two or three points from your finger? A hacker couldnt replicate that, the FBI couldnt use it to figure out if you commited a crime, and it has nothing to do with someone stealing your identity. People are just paranoid because they watch datline nbc with 6 people who were frauded online and now they are trying to scare everyone into thinking that the world is against you. Relax, you are there for vacation, if you don't want to give your fingerscan fine, but posters on here trying to scare people into thinking that Disney has your entire identity in it's hands is outright ridiculous.

 

[damo]

Would you let them take your picture for an annual pass? Wouldn't a picture of your face be just as objectionable as a picture of your finger?

 

[ProudMommyof2]

Wow! Did George Orwell know what he was talking about or what? Big brother(in this case Disney) says to do something so we do. Not only that, but if someone decides to question it, they must be a subversive or a felon. I am just waiting for someone to call the OP a Commie!!
I am sooo glad this thread was started!! Personal liberty is not something to be given up lightly, certainly not so Disney can protect its billions. I love the Ben Franklin quote and all the arguments about identity theft. It is similar to me, to going to a store and giving them your phone # just because they ask for it- no thank you works just fine!

 

[Jalva22]

The policy doesn't bother me in the least, as long as it works the first time! Honestly, I'm much more concerned about giving my credit card to a waitress and watching them disappear with it than anything I could imagine Disney might be doing with a fingerprint.

 

[MarylandPizzaman]

I am going to comment one time on this.
You are lucky I don't work at the gate.
You and your family should be escorted to an office and questioned and strip searched if you think you have that much to hide.
This is crazy. Don't buck the system.
Disney has procedures like this in place for your saftey as well as everyone elses.
The CM's you have ran into at the gates just don't want a confrontation which is what it appears to me you are looking for.
I hope that one time you get detained long enough that your 10-30 seconds each other trip vanish.
Good luck with your way of thinking you are now invited to rejoin the rest of the earthly community..
Good Day

 

[peel]

I applaud the OP for taking nasty comments in a stride.

I don't personally don't think Disney is doing anything underhanded with the finger scans, but I completely understand the apprehension. I'm kind of surprised that so many people are finding the idea that someone could be collecting more information than they say they are as being absurd. I hardly think that warrants a "tin hat" comment. And I don't think Disney's use of this technology is completely necessary. The OP hasn't said anywhere that he is causing a scene or even telling anyone else in line that he's against it. He has his reasons for being cautious, and he handles it appropriately.

 

[peel]

I am going to comment one time on this.
You are lucky I don't work at the gate.
You and your family should be escorted to an office and questioned and strip searched if you think you have that much to hide.
This is crazy. Don't buck the system.
Disney has procedures like this in place for your saftey as well as everyone elses.
The CM's you have ran into at the gates just don't want a confrontation which is what it appears to me you are looking for.
I hope that one time you get detained long enough that your 10-30 seconds each other trip vanish.
Good luck with your way of thinking you are now invited to rejoin the rest of the earthly community..
Good Day

Wow.

I love how you jumped from the guy saying he quietly objects to something (which he has every right to do, as it is NOT MANDATORY) and then enjoys his day in the parks to saying that he obviously is looking for a confrontation.
Who exactly is doing the confronting here? Talk about being judgmental!

 

[NYDisGuy]

I am going to comment one time on this.
You are lucky I don't work at the gate.
You and your family should be escorted to an office and questioned and strip searched if you think you have that much to hide.
This is crazy. Don't buck the system.
Disney has procedures like this in place for your saftey as well as everyone elses.
The CM's you have ran into at the gates just don't want a confrontation which is what it appears to me you are looking for.
I hope that one time you get detained long enough that your 10-30 seconds each other trip vanish.
Good luck with your way of thinking you are now invited to rejoin the rest of the earthly community..
Good Day

Again, it has nothing to do with anyone's saftey. It is recorded onto your card file so only you can use the pass. The only issue anyone should have is if the OP is bypassing the finger scan so she could sell her passes on ebay or ticket brokers, because this has been going on.

 

[LilGMom]

http://www.allearsnet.com/pl/fingerscan.htm

That gives some great info on the biometric finger scan. Everything from how long it is kept on file (purged 30 days after ticket expires or once the computer determines the ticket is all used up) to how a group of tickets purchased together will allow people in that group to use other group member's tickets (it tags the tickets as a group) and to what happens should you use someone else's ticket (the pass will be confiscated).

I personally found the article interesting and feel it can put some minds to rest that think Disney is keeping the info in an eternal database. Doing the finger scan is a personal choice, as is taking a bag into the parks, and I have no issues with either. I just ask that if you aren't doing the finger scan, or have a bag, please be prepared to show your id or have your bag ready for inspection.

 

[crzy4mk]

I'm just glad we've found another reason for 10 page threads besides Gay Days and Heelies!

Looks to me like someone "wanted" some conversation. Also looks like they got it.

 

[Nom]

...The finger scan, whether it is a "picture" of my fingerprint, or an algorithm, or whatever, is demonstrably one thing - a unique set of numbers about my fingerprint that the WDW computer can - and does - use to specifically identify ME among the millions of other Guests who also have WDW tickets. It's done to prevent me from using someone elses ticket, and to prevent anyone else from using mine.

Okay, so whatever KIND of ID the biometric saves, it's definitely an ID unique to me.

Now, when I stay on-site and have my ticket coded onto my KTTW card, that unique identifier is linked to my name in the WDW computer system. And linked to my name is a file containing all the info WDW has about me fromall the on-site stays I have ever had - this info includes my name, address, home phone number, credit card numbers for any cards I have used to pay for my ressies, the dates of my all my ressies, any charges I make on my KTTW cards, the dates and times of any ADRs I have ever made under my name, and even the dates and times I entered every WDW park on any tickets I ever had coded on my KTTW cards.

That is sensitive info. Do I think Disney is going to do something neffarious with it? Of course not. But in the post-9/11 climate of fear and paranoia in the US, the US government can and does demand all sorts of sensitive info from private companies (sometimes with and sometimes without supoenas or warrants). Google search terms and Verizon phone records have been highly publicized as being demanded, as well as customer records and surfing habits from many national ISPs. Is it a stretch to think that Homeland Security might "request" Disney to turn over the customer database at some point to track a suspected terrorist?

And once the government has this info, they will lose it. The VA has lost laptops, and last week the TSA lost a laptop, with tens of thousands of private citizens' personal info on them.

"But you're already at risk," someone will argue. "Credit card companies and online vendors have all sorts of info about you, and they get hacked by identity theives all the time." That's certainly true, but the fact that you are constantly in danger of being in a car crash does not mean that you should simply give up on the concept of staying on the right side of the road...

Sure, they all say they're going to keep that info safe and never use it for anything bad, but considering the number of companies and government agencies who have had vital customer info lost, stolen, or hacked in the last few years, well... let's just say that some natural skepticism as to the purity of all human motives has come and sat upon my chest.

I'm requoting almost this whole post, because it really encapsulates the reason the biometric measurements make me uncomfortable. It's not that someone has something to hide at all.

Great post- thank you!

 

[Hope73]

Really stuff like that does not bohter me. I don't mind giving my finger.

 

[GrowingUpDisney]

I didn't read all 8 pages, but I wanted to say that I don't know about where you all live, but in my town, you have to give your thumbprint to cash a check at ANY bank. Does the OP refuse to do this as well?

 

[SarahK]

I have no problem with it. After going through the immigration process, anyone who could possibly want our personal info already has it anyway!

 

[WillCAD]

This thread has gotten very long, very fast, so a lot of folks are just commenting on the OP without reading the whole thread. Let me refer you all back to my first post in this thread (#76, at the very top of Page 6):

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1445282&page=6

In that post I explain why I dislike the finger scans and what it is about them that makes me nervous.

I am going to comment one time on this.

You are lucky I don't work at the gate.

You and your family should be escorted to an office and questioned and strip searched if you think you have that much to hide.

This is crazy. Don't buck the system.

Disney has procedures like this in place for your saftey as well as everyone elses.

The CM's you have ran into at the gates just don't want a confrontation which is what it appears to me you are looking for.

I hope that one time you get detained long enough that your 10-30 seconds each other trip vanish.

Good luck with your way of thinking you are now invited to rejoin the rest of the earthly community..

Good Day

1) That's a mighty extreme reaction to the OP. I guess we really are lucky you don't work the gate. Let me remind you that Disney does not require the finger scan - you have the option of showing ID instead.

2) What's crazy is automatically doing anything you are told, no matter how invasive or unsettling, without question. Blind faith is the surest path to abuse.

3) I'll buck any system that I feel is unreasonably invasive of my privacy, or that I feel is illegal, un-Constitutional, or dangerous, whether it's a government system or one from a private company. Standing up for your rights as an individual is the most patriotic, American thing a person can do; the Founding Fathers standing up for their rights is the whole reason this country exists in the first place.

4) This system is demonstrably NOT in place for anyone's safety. It is in place to prevent sharing and transferring of park passes.

5) I disagree that the OP is looking for a confrontation. OP simply seems uncomfortable about the finger scan; I understand this, because I am too.

6) I hope whatever you wish on other people, good or bad, comes back on you.

7) Here on earth, we like to protect ourselves from identity theft, stalking, and plain old house burglaries, by limiting the amount of our personal info that floats around in the public domain.

And YES, I most certainly do have something to hide - my LIFE. I have a right to privacy, and I dislike anything that erodes that right, even a small thing like Disney keeping a biometric identifier tag from me and storing it along with my other sensitive personal information.

For the record, I also don't like the bag checks, which is why I limit my park paraphernalia to stuff I can carry on my belt or in my pockets, so I can skip the bag check most of the time. When I do have a bag of some kind, I comply with the mandatory bag check - I just don't like it.

 

[happygirl]

This thread has gotten very long, very fast, so a lot of folks are just commenting on the OP without reading the whole thread. Let me refer you all back to my first post in this thread (#76, at the very top of Page 6):

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1445282&page=6

In that post I explain why I dislike the finger scans and what it is about them that makes me nervous.



1) That's a mighty extreme reaction to the OP. I guess we really are lucky you don't work the gate. Let me remind you that Disney does not require the finger scan - you have the option of showing ID instead.

2) What's crazy is automatically doing anything you are told, no matter how invasive or unsettling, without question. Blind faith is the surest path to abuse.

3) I'll buck any system that I feel is unreasonably invasive of my privacy, or that I feel is illegal, un-Constitutional, or dangerous, whether it's a government system or one from a private company. Standing up for your rights as an individual is the most patriotic, American thing a person can do; the Founding Fathers standing up for their rights is the whole reason this country exists in the first place.

4) This system is demonstrably NOT in place for anyone's safety. It is in place to prevent sharing and transferring of park passes.

5) I disagree that the OP is looking for a confrontation. OP simply seems uncomfortable about the finger scan; I understand this, because I am too.

6) I hope whatever you wish on other people, good or bad, comes back on you.

7) Here on earth, we like to protect ourselves from identity theft, stalking, and plain old house burglaries, by limiting the amount of our personal info that floats around in the public domain.

And YES, I most certainly do have something to hide - my LIFE. I have a right to privacy, and I dislike anything that erodes that right, even a small thing like Disney keeping a biometric identifier tag from me and storing it along with my other sensitive personal information.

For the record, I also don't like the bag checks, which is why I limit my park paraphernalia to stuff I can carry on my belt or in my pockets, so I can skip the bag check most of the time. When I do have a bag of some kind, I comply with the mandatory bag check - I just don't like it.

If it makes you that "nervous" don't go PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!!

you know what makes me mad!!! People who hold up the line that refuse to comply with the smallest things

 

[peel]

This thread has gotten very long, very fast, so a lot of folks are just commenting on the OP without reading the whole thread. Let me refer you all back to my first post in this thread (#76, at the very top of Page 6):

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1445282&page=6

In that post I explain why I dislike the finger scans and what it is about them that makes me nervous.



1) That's a mighty extreme reaction to the OP. I guess we really are lucky you don't work the gate. Let me remind you that Disney does not require the finger scan - you have the option of showing ID instead.

2) What's crazy is automatically doing anything you are told, no matter how invasive or unsettling, without question. Blind faith is the surest path to abuse.

3) I'll buck any system that I feel is unreasonably invasive of my privacy, or that I feel is illegal, un-Constitutional, or dangerous, whether it's a government system or one from a private company. Standing up for your rights as an individual is the most patriotic, American thing a person can do; the Founding Fathers standing up for their rights is the whole reason this country exists in the first place.

4) This system is demonstrably NOT in place for anyone's safety. It is in place to prevent sharing and transferring of park passes.

5) I disagree that the OP is looking for a confrontation. OP simply seems uncomfortable about the finger scan; I understand this, because I am too.

6) I hope whatever you wish on other people, good or bad, comes back on you.

7) Here on earth, we like to protect ourselves from identity theft, stalking, and plain old house burglaries, by limiting the amount of our personal info that floats around in the public domain.

And YES, I most certainly do have something to hide - my LIFE. I have a right to privacy, and I dislike anything that erodes that right, even a small thing like Disney keeping a biometric identifier tag from me and storing it along with my other sensitive personal information.

For the record, I also don't like the bag checks, which is why I limit my park paraphernalia to stuff I can carry on my belt or in my pockets, so I can skip the bag check most of the time. When I do have a bag of some kind, I comply with the mandatory bag check - I just don't like it.

This is what I wanted to say in response to that post, but you said it much better than I did.

 

[peel]

People who hold up the line that refuse to comply with the smallest things

#1 IT'S NOT MANDATORY!
#2 Have you ever been held up behind someone who chose not to scan their finger?
#3 Did you read the OP say they get through faster than everyone else?

Seriously, why on earth are people getting bent out of shape over someone's personal choice that is not infringing at all on anyone else?

 

[Nom]

I didn't read all 8 pages, but I wanted to say that I don't know about where you all live, but in my town, you have to give your thumbprint to cash a check at ANY bank. Does the OP refuse to do this as well?

Like WillCAD said earlier... yes, there is risk if you are forced to use your fingerprint to cash a check. So why expose yourself to additional, unneccessary risk at WDW?

read his original post on pg 6- it clearly spells out the reasons why people want to opt out of the finger scan.