Really???

[shortbun]

You think your boss is a good guy, yet he makes a mockery of punishing these students, like it's his own personal party? Isn't this just another form of bullying. Hey, everyone, gather round. Let's get out list and have ourselves a good laugh.

ITA and I think this man is sickening!!! I would NEVER work for anyone with that kind of sadistic nature towards children and I would push for them to be charged with a crime. This happens in 2010? My high school outlawed paddling shortly after I graduated in 1971 and the teachers who did the paddling even back then were awful human beings. We all hated them. they paddled with smiles on their faces and even laughed sometimes.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

You think your boss is a good guy, yet he makes a mockery of punishing these students, like it's his own personal party? Isn't this just another form of bullying. Hey, everyone, gather round. Let's get out list and have ourselves a good laugh.

Excellent post. I agree. Ick. I think he's getting more than a good laugh over it.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

Excellent post. I agree. Ick. I think he's getting more than a good laugh over it.

He wouldn't be laughing when he saw me coming.

 

[shortbun]

Those people who keep saying, 'it's legal here' need to get a grip. It used to be legal to have slaves, not allow women to vote, allow children to work in sweat shops and so forth. Some of us know that it's time for you all to change your laws. Why not be proactive and start a movement or get a ballot initiative in the works and move into this century.

 

[RitaZ.]

I'm sorry but your boss sounds like some kind of sick perv with a spanking fetish. That story is disturbing in all kinds of ways.

He certainly does.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I didn't know CP was legal in Florida. I registered my son for his Speech last week. They gave me the Kindergarten paperwork packet even though he is only 3. I only filled out the pertinent pages, but there was no sheet on CP, so they must not do it.



Whether or not the punishment fits the crime is moot. The student knew the rules and chose to obey and disobeying came with a double-consequence.

Whether she feels she looks nice or her dress in her opinion is not inappropriate, she violated the dress code.

To me, she seemed more upset for getting caught and missing prom than anything.

Frankly, I'm a bit annoyed by all these national news "my prom was ruined" stories. While it is a right of passage--it is a privilege, plain and simple. Schools do not have to offer them and they can have whatever rules and consequences in place that they choose.

A dress code that limits "exposure" to skin is not unconstitutional (so thus cannot be compared to the Mississippi student whose free speech rights were violated when she was told that she had to wear a dress instead of a tux and could not bring her girlfriend).

I won't even comment on the paddling. I didn't even get the jist that this was this student's issue. I feel her issue is limited (in her mind) to being punished for what she felt was the perfect and pretty prom dress.

She was defiant, she knew it whether or not she chooses to admit it and was punished as a result.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Those people who keep saying, 'it's legal here' need to get a grip. It used to be legal to have slaves, not allow women to vote, allow children to work in sweat shops and so forth. Some of us know that it's time for you all to change your laws. Why not be proactive and start a movement or get a ballot initiative in the works and move into this century.

She wasn't paddled--and if it weren't an option. all the students would have been suspended.

To me, paddling isn't the real issue here. If it were, the time to address it is before a punishment is needed, not after it is given.

I would hate for this child to become the model of why paddling is bad, when she didn't even receive one and was able to opt out of such abuse.

 

[Ohiodislover]

Those people who keep saying, 'it's legal here' need to get a grip. It used to be legal to have slaves, not allow women to vote, allow children to work in sweat shops and so forth. Some of us know that it's time for you all to change your laws. Why not be proactive and start a movement or get a ballot initiative in the works and move into this century.

Most of the posts (incl mine) where people discussed the legalities in their state, were not defending it...but rather making a statement. Some were surprised it is still legal, and some pointed out that even though it is legal, there are school districts who still don't do it.

The mere comment that it is legal doesn't endorse it

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

A high school senior in Alabama was suspended for wearing to skimpy a Prom dress. The punishment was either being suspended or be paddled. Is that even allowed anymore?


http://www.wftv.com/news/23025672/detail.html

Here's the original post. That's why it's "the issue" in this thread. It doesn't matter whether this girl was paddled or not. We're discussing the fact that paddling is still legal in 20 or so states, and whether or not it fits the "crime", yes, in this particular case, since it was a potential punishment. And you said yourself, Lisa Loves Pooh, that she seems more upset about missing the prom...BINGO! Missing the prom sounds to me like a good, and WAY more appropriate, punishment then.

I don't care if everyone knows that paddling is a potential punishment in these states. I don't believe that makes it correct. Is every potential "punishment" acceptable to you, as long as it's known before inflicted?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Here's the original post. That's why it's "the issue" in this thread. It doesn't matter whether this girl was paddled or not. We're discussing the fact that paddling is still legal in 20 or so states, and whether or not it fits the "crime", yes, in this particular case, since it was a potential punishment. And you said yourself, Lisa Loves Pooh, that she seems more upset about missing the prom...BINGO! Missing the prom sounds to me like a good, and WAY more appropriate, punishment then.

I don't care if everyone knows that paddling is a potential punishment in these states. I don't believe that makes it correct. Is every potential "punishment" acceptable to you, as long as it's known before inflicted?

I do not endorse corporal punishment.

That was never on the table as an option when I grew up and no, I don't have a problem with the infliction of posted consequences so long as they do not violate the rights of the student.

Attending prom in a too short of a dress was not her right and she was punished accordingly.


As I wish my mom would do--stop buying dresses on line b/c they are "pretty" and pay attention to size and fit.

 

[luvsJack]

If the girl didn't stay within dress code she should have been sent home. If she was, then that was enough of a punishment and it should have ended there.

But, some of these responses! Good grief, get your minds out of the gutter!

We were paddled in school. We were paddled in high school. There was nothing sexual what so ever about it. In fact the principal usually called in a female teacher for the girls. But you know what? We behaved! We had the utmost respect for our principal and we didn't mouth off at him or the teachers. We did the usual hs pranks and such and we had fun--within reason and not at someone else's expense. If the principal warned us, we knew what was next and we heeded by that warning. We WERE NOT AFRAID of the man. Most students had a great relationship with the man and some of the kids, that didn't have parents they could go to, would go to him when they had problems they needed to talk about. We had the utmost respect for his authority.

Paddling is still practiced in dd's school but only when all other options have been exhausted. A reward system is used first and foremost. If a student is to be suspended the parents are sometimes given the option of their child being paddled.

 

[december]

I will make one last post on this thread. I do not work for a pervert. I am not pro-paddling, but I do not think it is abuse either. Especially sexual abuse! Some of you simply have no frame of reference. The kids love him, and the underclassmen are so upset that he is leaving! The juniors have even started a petition asking him to come back to give them their diplomas next year.

I knew better than to post on this thread.

 

[mamacatnv]

But, some of these responses! Good grief, get your minds out of the gutter!

We were paddled in school. We were paddled in high school. There was nothing sexual what so ever about it. In fact the principal usually called in a female teacher for the girls. But you know what? We behaved! We had the utmost respect for our principal and we didn't mouth off at him or the teachers. We did the usual hs pranks and such and we had fun--within reason and not at someone else's expense. If the principal warned us, we knew what was next and we heeded by that warning. We WERE NOT AFRAID of the man. Most students had a great relationship with the man and some of the kids, that didn't have parents they could go to, would go to him when they had problems they needed to talk about. We had the utmost respect for his authority.

I know it is a very heated debate but I think your post is an example of how CP is not necessarily a bad thing. I personally think that its return would go a long way in managing some of the behavior issues our schools are dealing with.

I went to a private school where CP was the norm, that was 30 years ago in California no less. I was never paddled, heck no, I behaved, end of story. I also agree with you that the automatic assumption that something sexual is involved is way off the mark.

AND I would like to reiterate, we still don't know the answer: Did she or didn't she get to attend her prom??????

 

[mamacatnv]

I will make one last post on this thread. I do not work for a pervert. I am no pro-paddling, but I do not think it is abuse either. Especially sexual abuse! Some of you simply have no frame of reference. The kids love him, and the underclassmen are so upset that he is leaving! The juniors have even started a petition asking him to come back to give them their diplomas next year.

I knew better than to post on this thread.

December, I totally get what you are saying and it makes perfect sense to me. I think your comments were well stated and you are right, they have no frame of reference and therefore they judge.

 

[MzDiz]

December, I totally get what you are saying and it makes perfect sense to me. I think your comments were well stated and you are right, they have no frame of reference and therefore they judge.

Do you say that we have no frame of reference because we weren't paddled in school?

 

[mamacatnv]

Do you say that we have no frame of reference because we weren't paddled in school?

No, I personally think it is a cultural thing. The OP lives in a part of the country where paddling is common and the norm, many posters have no such reference, they either live in areas where paddling has never been an issue or never attended schools where it was common.
If it is a foreign concept, it is harder to understand the reason behind it, that is what I mean by frame of reference.

 

[Mickeyluver37]

He's not. And it isn't abnormal HERE. People were asking questions earlier in the thread, and I posted about my area. Our perceptions are based on our on experiences. Paddling is not the norm in some parts of the country, so it is shocking for some of you to read about. But here it is common. I must again state that I don't endorse it, but there is nothing sexual about it. Here, a principal that does not believe in paddling would be the abnormal one.

I do think corporal punishment in general is more common in the south. We had a big family trip to CA two years ago. My niece was having a tantrum, and my bil spanked her in the middle of DL. My MIL freaked-thought he was going to be arrested! BIL is a cop BTW. He wasn't too concerned.

We rarely spank, and I do have my kids on the no paddle list. I rarely give tardies, because I know the punishment. So I'm not arguing for either side. Just giving a different perspective.

Wow, I am thoroughly disgusted.

Oh, and if this doesn't turn the rest of you off to the state of Mississippi, go watch A Prom Night in Mississippi. Great material there....racism and segregation are acceptable there, too!

 

[Liberty Belle]

Corporal punishment is legal in many states. I was very surprised when I looked it up. My dgd got in trouble at school and my dss was told he had to come to school and paddle her in front of the principal. This was last year in Tenn.

Ridiculous! There is absolutely no way someone else is going to tell me to strike my child and then stand there and watch it.

As for the dress, I don't think it's bad at all and I don't see how the hemline would be considered six inches above her knees. Even the cleavage part is borderline. Besides, she has a large chest. It is very difficult to find a gown that doesn't show cleavage when your chest is that large.

 

[Liberty Belle]

If the girl didn't stay within dress code she should have been sent home. If she was, then that was enough of a punishment and it should have ended there.

But, some of these responses! Good grief, get your minds out of the gutter!

We were paddled in school. We were paddled in high school. There was nothing sexual what so ever about it. In fact the principal usually called in a female teacher for the girls. But you know what? We behaved! We had the utmost respect for our principal and we didn't mouth off at him or the teachers. We did the usual hs pranks and such and we had fun--within reason and not at someone else's expense. If the principal warned us, we knew what was next and we heeded by that warning. We WERE NOT AFRAID of the man. Most students had a great relationship with the man and some of the kids, that didn't have parents they could go to, would go to him when they had problems they needed to talk about. We had the utmost respect for his authority.

Paddling is still practiced in dd's school but only when all other options have been exhausted. A reward system is used first and foremost. If a student is to be suspended the parents are sometimes given the option of their child being paddled.

You know what? I was never paddled in school, either, and I behaved very well. Spanking, as a fetish, is huge. Spanking a teenager could absolutely be seen as sexual. As wrong as it is to do to little kids, it's even more wrong to do to teens.

 

[Liberty Belle]

No, I personally think it is a cultural thing. The OP lives in a part of the country where paddling is common and the norm, many posters have no such reference, they either live in areas where paddling has never been an issue or never attended schools where it was common.
If it is a foreign concept, it is harder to understand the reason behind it, that is what I mean by frame of reference.

I live in Kentucky. It is legal here and was carried out on several of my classmates. I have the frame of reference - and see my posts above.