RAW file format

[Groucho]

What Bibble does have is Noise Ninja, which to me is far more valuble than HDR processing.

If you believe the hype, LR3 will have built-in noise reduction that will match the external ones. Have you tried the LR3 beta? It (the NR) is not complete there but it is much improved over LR2's. You can also use NN as a plug-in for LR but it is a little clunky and leaves you with huge TIFF files.

Bibble seems to produce nice output, which used to be LR's weakest point, but that has been fixed in large part with their "camera" profiles, which tend to produce might nicer colors than the usual "Adobe" profile.

LR's biggest single advantage over the competition from what I can tell is the organizing. Others can do a decent job processing, but no one comes close to LR's cataloging. The adjustment brush is very nice, too.

 

[photo_chick]

Was there one wow factor involved or everything overall?

Long story short, I lost LR2 (virus) I would have to purchase it to replace it (let's just say I was less than legal) so I started looking at everything out there again. After thirty minutes of using Bibble 5 I was sold, which surprised me because I had used Bibble 3 and didn't care for it.

For me, the UI is more intuitive. It has everything I need for my RAW workflow, Noise Ninja that can be applied before the file is processed to jpeg.. I could go on. It does what I need, does it well, for less $$ than Lightroom.

I'll check out LR3, but unless it just blows LR 2 out of the water I don't see switching back to it. Either way I didn't have my library file backed up so I have to start from scratch on whatever software I choose.... I think I'll pay my ten year old to help me with that. LOL

If you believe the hype, LR3 will have built-in noise reduction that will match the external ones. Have you tried the LR3 beta? It (the NR) is not complete there but it is much improved over LR2's. You can also use NN as a plug-in for LR but it is a little clunky and leaves you with huge TIFF files.

Bibble seems to produce nice output, which used to be LR's weakest point, but that has been fixed in large part with their "camera" profiles, which tend to produce might nicer colors than the usual "Adobe" profile.

LR's biggest single advantage over the competition from what I can tell is the organizing. Others can do a decent job processing, but no one comes close to LR's cataloging. The adjustment brush is very nice, too.

Better noise reduction, with finer control, in Lightroom would be good... it's one place it was really lacking.

I have found Bibble 5's cataloging system to be commensurate with Lightroom 2. In a few ways I like it better, but I think it's more of a personal taste thing there that goes back to the UI.

 

[VVFF]

Long story short, I lost LR2 (virus) I would have to purchase it to replace it (let's just say I was less than legal) so I started looking at everything out there again. After thirty minutes of using Bibble 5 I was sold, which surprised me because I had used Bibble 3 and didn't care for it.

For me, the UI is more intuitive. It has everything I need for my RAW workflow, Noise Ninja that can be applied before the file is processed to jpeg.. I could go on. It does what I need, does it well, for less $$ than Lightroom.

I'll check out LR3, but unless it just blows LR 2 out of the water I don't see switching back to it. Either way I didn't have my library file backed up so I have to start from scratch on whatever software I choose.... I think I'll pay my ten year old to help me with that. LOL




Better noise reduction, with finer control, in Lightroom would be good... it's one place it was really lacking.

I have found Bibble 5's cataloging system to be commensurate with Lightroom 2. In a few ways I like it better, but I think it's more of a personal taste thing there that goes back to the UI.

LR3's Noise rendering blows LR2 out of the water. The noise is more film-like with a nice grain. It's much easier to eliminate this noise with the built in luminance NR than in LR2.

 

[ukcatfan]

For those that used Bibble 4 and didn't like it, check out version 5. There have been many changes. The only thing I miss is the spot healer, but it is coming soon in a minor update.

 

[NateNLogansDad]

Is Bibble mainly used for RAW files or does it work the same for JPG's as well? I downloaded the trial yesterday and it doesn't seem to have any dramatic effect on the JPG's I ran through it.

 

[JoeDif]

If you believe the hype, LR3 will have built-in noise reduction that will match the external ones. Have you tried the LR3 beta? It (the NR) is not complete there but it is much improved over LR2's. You can also use NN as a plug-in for LR but it is a little clunky and leaves you with huge TIFF files.

Bibble seems to produce nice output, which used to be LR's weakest point, but that has been fixed in large part with their "camera" profiles, which tend to produce might nicer colors than the usual "Adobe" profile.

LR's biggest single advantage over the competition from what I can tell is the organizing. Others can do a decent job processing, but no one comes close to LR's cataloging. The adjustment brush is very nice, too.

How do you go about getting camera profiles in LR2? I checked under camera calibration and I only have 2 options, ACR and Adobe Standard.

 

[Daisy14'sDH]

Allright you people have talked me into it... I am going to download this "Bibble" program and see if it can turn my pictures into Photographic masterpeices! I used 3 programs to try and edit a pic today and I still wasn't happy with the results...

Heres my dilemna.

I want to turn a colour phot into a B&W with just the colour pink coming through. But there is too much "noisy" pink coming through, the blemish fixers arent doing the best job because there is too much to remove. Any suggestions?

I know I could just print it and then get out DW's old photo painting gear and ask her to do it for me the old school way. But with todays technology it should be simple.

From looking at Bibbles demos, it looks like I could put in at layers, now can I keep all the pink in one layer and B&W the rest?

 

[NateNLogansDad]

Daisy-

What kind of camera are you using?

I've used photoshop to do what you're talking about but CS3 doesn't understand what a NEF file is out of my Nikon D5000

 

[Daisy14'sDH]

Pentax Kx.

I am so frustratrated right now I could raise my voice! AAARGGHH!
I hate exporting out of Lightroom, I've tried exporting one photo for the last 20 minutes. It says it did it, I go back to find it and its not there! 10 times I've done this and 10 times I've been disappointed... After this I am tossing LR3 in the recycle bin...

 

[NateNLogansDad]

LOL I've been using LR 3 for about an hr now and still am not thrilled 100%
That's probably the cheapest way to go for me using the academic discount but I'm just not sold.

I keep flip flopping around between programs and need to make up my mind before the trials expire. I really wish I could just get an add on for CS3 but that would be way too easy I guess.

 

[Daisy14'sDH]

I really dont like the import export thing. I organize my folders as I copy my files over to my external HD, I just want to be able to pick a file work on it and then save it. Simple...

 

[photo_chick]

Daisy.. I'd do the editing you're talking about in Photoshop. If the pink is too noisy you can always hand paint it in there to even it out, which isn't a big deal if it's a small area.

For me, using at least 2 pieces of software is just a fact of life when I shoot RAW. One program is for image management and RAW processing, and Photoshop is for the heavy edting. 90% I don't need to open the file in Photoshop so it's not a huge deal for me, but I know people who run filters and do heavy work on everyhting, so I can see it being a pain for them.

Photoshop (both CS and Elements) does have the Camera RAW plug in.

On the lightroom export thing.... did you make sure you told it where you wanted to put the jpeg and what the file name should be? I somehow missed that step when I first started using LR1 and ended up scratching my head for a few minutes.

 

[Daisy14'sDH]

Sure did, I've exported ictures before, but never ones that I had edited previously and saved to "My Catalogue". It seems as long as I dont save to there it will work...

 

[photo_chick]

Ok, I might totally be missing what you are trying to say. I have had 2 rounds of Nyquil tonight....

Lightroom is non destructive. It doesn't actually save an image file with all those adjustments you make, that's put in the library file as data to apply to the image preview. The only way to get a new image file saved is to export it.

 

[Daisy14'sDH]

I know that. Whatever happened to the save as function? You know how you would click save as, then it would let you choose where to save it and what name to give it. Simple. Easy. Never failed. I'm also not real keen on the import option. I have to import files rather than just picking and choosing off my HD or MC

 

[NateNLogansDad]

I know that. Whatever happened to the save as function? You know how you would click save as, then it would let you choose where to save it and what name to give it. Simple. Easy. Never failed. I'm also not real keen on the import option. I have to import files rather than just picking and choosing off my HD or MC

The search continues.

I know all the people that have been using it for years are looking at us funny, but starting out from scratch is a little intimidating. I'm downloading the trial now for elements to see if it's dumbed down enough for me. There has to be something out there......

 

[klmall]

The search continues.

I know all the people that have been using it for years are looking at us funny, but starting out from scratch is a little intimidating. I'm downloading the trial now for elements to see if it's dumbed down enough for me. There has to be something out there......

Hope Elements helps you out! I know that using ACR for my Canon Raw files in Elements turned out to be extremely simple. I had to update my version of ACR to match my camera with my old version of Elements 5 but now it's straight forward.

And Elements has a very friendly, helpful board similar to DIS which you can ask any install or user questions.

I also use a few plug-ins right in Elements to do the very kind of thing you are describing:
---ReDynaMix which is a simplistic HDR using one-shot
---couldn't live without FocusMagic!
---Virtual Photographer for simple color changes to sepia etc.
and Imagenomic to remove noise

 

[photo_chick]

The search continues.

I know all the people that have been using it for years are looking at us funny, but starting out from scratch is a little intimidating. I'm downloading the trial now for elements to see if it's dumbed down enough for me. There has to be something out there......

My daughter was six when she started using elements. It's pretty straight forward.

 

[NateNLogansDad]

Hope Elements helps you out! I know that using ACR for my Canon Raw files in Elements turned out to be extremely simple. I had to update my version of ACR to match my camera with my old version of Elements 5 but now it's straight forward.

And Elements has a very friendly, helpful board similar to DIS which you can ask any install or user questions.

I also use a few plug-ins right in Elements to do the very kind of thing you are describing:
---ReDynaMix which is a simplistic HDR using one-shot
---couldn't live without FocusMagic!
---Virtual Photographer for simple color changes to sepia etc.
and Imagenomic to remove noise

Thank you so much for the extra info! It may just help me out enough to make a decision!

 

[NateNLogansDad]

My daughter was six when she started using elements. It's pretty straight forward.

Great (said sarcastically)

Now if I don't like it, I'll have to change my name on the dis and start building up my post count again

The download finished and I'll install it when I get home in 1/2 hr or so.