Racial Discrimination? More blatant examples? More subtle?

[wenrob]

Only if you state it as.. "i prefer to only marry white people".

I've always liked the dirty blonde, white boy types. I think it's because I've always had black hair and olive skin. It's my preference. Everyone has a type.

I think you're venturing into gray area, so to speak.

What I was going to say. If you lined up my exes and my DH you'd see they all had a similar body type, hair color, eye color etc. Preference is not racist.

 

[shrubber]

Only if you state it as.. "i prefer to only marry white people".

I've always liked the dirty blonde, white boy types. I think it's because I've always had black hair and olive skin. It's my preference. Everyone has a type.

I think you're venturing into gray area, so to speak.

What is the difference between preference and discrimination when dealing with race?

 

[moon]

And it seems to be a matter of the subject one is talking about. How many stories have the media reported over and over again about the rich white girl who was abducted and never found. That story has been popping up randomly over several years and the upodates just seem to fall into no change in the case. How many wealthy minority or poor white people are abducted and it never makes it to national news? is this priority for the wealthy or discrimination against the poor and minorities? What about the white pregnant woman who went missing and later her body was found? I am sure she was not the only pregnant woman to go missing and later have her body found. Just things like these that pop in my head.

It's a shame that only those things pop in your head.

Why would you think that "only those things pop into (sleepy's) mind", and why it's a shame to mention it?

I think s/he made a great point, very relevant tho the thread, but I noticed that other than your snide remark, his/her post has gone ignored.

 

[X and G's mom]

To the OP!
My DBF is Chippewa Indian. When he was in school he would have to run from class to class unless he wanted to get beat up. He was the star athlete in Football, Basketball, and Baseball. Yes, the kids wanted to beat him up because he is native american. That was back in the 70's.

Now he deals with non-natives that complain about the natives spear fishing, and hunting rights. The ones that complain don't realize that the tribe replenishes the Walleye that they are spearing, so they can spawn and have lots more walleye for everyone.

My DS12 is multi-cultral (I'm white and my ex is african american). Last year his coach asked me if he was on the honor roll because of his special classes and IEP. I said NO, my son is UBER smart and in high classes! UGH!!!! I also got the 'if you can't afford it' treatment from him....

 

[shrubber]

If you mean you as a Justice of the Peace prefer to only marry white people it is racial discrimination. If you mean you personally only want to marry another white person it is a preference. Like PP said, we all have some sort of preference.

I meant the question as ' I prefer to marry someone of my own race ' (As the overwhemingly population does.)
not the Justice of the Peace kind.

Where does preference end and discrimination start?

 

[ogreenlee]

What is the difference between preference and discrimination when dealing with race?

Are you serious?

I prefer cashews over peanuts, but I'll settle for peanuts if that's all ya got.

 

[FireDancer]

Why would you think that "only those things pop into (sleepy's) mind", and why it's a shame to mention it?

I think s/he made a great point, very relevant tho the thread, but I noticed that other than your snide remark, his/her post has gone ignored.

I missed Sleepy's original post. I think it is more wealth based than race. The girl who went missing in Aruba (I forget her name) and Jean Benet had wealthy parents who used their money to stay in front of the media. Their beauty probably also played a factor as did race but I think a wealthy AA, or Asian person would also get a lot of coverage, especially if they were attractive.

The media is consistently inconsistent in all matters, why should race be any different?

I meant the question as ' I prefer to marry someone of my own race ' (As the overwhemingly population does.)
not the Justice of the Peace kind.

Where does preference end and discrimination start?

Well, it is a bit OT and getting into semantics but I'll give it a try. Attraction is based on many things and one is what we find attractive. It is not objective, it is subjective. Many people will only marry within their religion also, I don't find that bigoted because to some it is important. To hate people for not being the same religion would be bigoted.

Who we hire is supposed to be subjective (as much as possible) and should be based on qualification and other relevant criteria. To base something on race that is not supposed to be based on race would cross the line.

There is not right answer to the question but anyone making the decisions knows if the reason they made them was racist.

 

[wenrob]

What is the difference between preference and discrimination when dealing with race?

I think the difference is you can't change what/who you are drawn to. I've never thought, "Hey, I need to give short haired, chunky guys a chance otherwise I'm not being fair!" I'm drawn to lean guys with longish hair period. It's not really a conscience decision it just is.

Like previously mentioned saying, "I will only date within my race regardless of whom I'm attracted to," is vastly different then, "I'm drawn to skinny, white boys with brown eyes."

You're trying to make an issue out of something that really isn't.

 

[shrubber]

Are you serious?

I prefer cashews over peanuts, but I'll settle for peanuts if that's all ya got.

I am absolutly serious.
If it is socially acceptable, heck almost socially obligitory, for people to marry only within their own race. And it's called a preference, and that's ok.
Why is it not ok for people to have a preference of let's say hiring only people of their race, or living in a neighborhood of people of their own race?

Where is the line drawn between preference and racism?

 

[crashbb]

I am absolutly serious.
If it is socially acceptable, heck almost socially obligitory, for people to marry only within their own race. And it's called a preference, and that's ok.
Why is it not ok for people to have a preference of let's say hiring only people of their race, or living in a neighborhood of people of their own race?

Where is the line drawn between preference and racism?

Because living in a given neighbourhood and having a job is right (assuming one is qualified - no, being certain race/colour does not make one qualified) - marrying me is not.

 

[shrubber]

I think the difference is you can't change what/who you are drawn to. I've never thought, "Hey, I need to give short haired, chunky guys a chance otherwise I'm not being fair!" I'm drawn to lean guys with longish hair period. It's not really a conscience decision it just is.

Like previously mentioned saying, "I will only date within my race regardless of whom I'm attracted to," is vastly different then, "I'm drawn to skinny, white boys with brown eyes."

You're trying to make an issue out of something that really isn't.

Is it allright for someone to say that they want to live in an all white neighborhood because 'they are drawn to people of their own race'?

BTW..Short haired and chunky is not a race.

 

[wenrob]

Is it allright for someone to say that they want to live in an all white neighborhood because 'they are drawn to people of their own race'?

BTW..Short haired and chunky is not a race.

Yes, I'm well aware of that.I used that to make a point about preference never even tried to pretend it was a race.

And that was not you original question or statement. You were speaking of marriage not neighborhoods.

 

[shrubber]

Because living in a given neighbourhood and having a job is right (assuming one is qualified - no, being certain race/colour does not make one qualified) - marrying me is not.

Marriage is a contract is it not.?
More legally and binding than any employment.
Even if you can find a right to have a job somewhere
it would certainly be less than a right to marry. Freedom of association and all.

 

[shrubber]

Yes, I'm well aware of that.I used that to make a point about preference never even tried to pretend it was a race.

And that was not you original question or statement. You were speaking of marriage not neighborhoods.

I was wondering what the difference is? That's all.

 

[ogreenlee]

I am absolutly serious.
If it is socially acceptable, heck almost socially obligitory, for people to marry only within their own race. And it's called a preference, and that's ok.
Why is it not ok for people to have a preference of let's say hiring only people of their race, or living in a neighborhood of people of their own race?

Where is the line drawn between preference and racism?

I think you're reaching.

If I were to go deeper with my preference, it'd be a shaggy-headed, dirty-blonde boy with the face of Brad Pitt, and a Scottish accent that would knock your kilt off!

But I wouldn't turn down Denzel.

 

[shrubber]

I think you're reaching.

If I were to go deeper with my preference, it'd be a shaggy-headed, dirty-blonde boy with the face of Brad Pitt, and a Scottish accent that would knock your kilt off!

But I wouldn't turn down Denzel.

I'm not reaching, you just seem to be unable to answer the question.
That's OK. I really did not think you could. I think it is interesting that marriage can be racially discriminitory but hiring practices not.

 

[FireDancer]

Marriage is a contract is it not.?
More legally and binding than any employment.
Even if you can find a right to have a job somewhere
it would certainly be less than a right to marry. Freedom of association and all.

Marriage and employment are not good comparisons. They are not viewed the same by the courts and ultimately it is the courts that decide where preference stops and discrimination begins.

The courts will not tell you who you can hire, they only tell you what criteria you are not allowed to use in that determination...race, sex, age, etc.

The courts on the other hand do tell us who we can and can't marry to an extent. I seem to recall there being states that won't allow same sex couples to marry.

As long as your choices effect you and only you it is not a problem. It is when it starts to effect others (and I don't mean a hypothetical wife or husband) that it becomes a real problem.

We can play what if all day and all it does is go around in circles. What if my aunt had balls? Well, she'd be my uncle.

 

[ogreenlee]

I'm not reaching, you just seem to be unable to answer the question.
That's OK. I really did not think you could. I think it is interesting that marriage can be racially discriminitory but hiring practices not.

It's not racially discriminatory. You have the right to marry anyone you wish to marry. I'm a product of a mixed marriage. My mom was full-on Asian, and my dad was Caucasian. No one told either of them that they couldn't marry the other. This isn't some crazy remote village or a place where the bride is chosen for the groom.

Are you looking for a justification on why you think it's ok to discriminate in hiring practices??

 

[ogreenlee]

Marriage and employment are not good comparisons. They are not viewed the same by the courts and ultimately it is the courts that decide where preference stops and discrimination begins.

The courts will not tell you who you can hire, they only tell you what criteria you are not allowed to use in that determination...race, sex, age, etc.

The courts on the other hand do tell us who we can and can't marry to an extent. I seem to recall there being states that won't allow same sex couples to marry.

We can play what if all day and all it does is go around in circles. What if my aunt had balls? Well, she'd be my uncle.

There are those with both, ya know! Don't hate.. don't discriminate!

 

[wenrob]

I'm not reaching, you just seem to be unable to answer the question.
That's OK. I really did not think you could. I think it is interesting that marriage can be racially discriminitory but hiring practices not.

You are reaching. You can't help what your tastes in a partner will be, it is what it is. Choosing to hire or not based on race alone is not a preference it's bigoted. My tastes in whom I choose to marry have nothing to do with skin color I'm just drawn to that person. If I choose not to hire someone solely on their skin color that's racist not preference. What is it that you're not getting?