Racial Discrimination? More blatant examples? More subtle?

[shrubber]

Marriage and employment are not good comparisons. They are not viewed the same by the courts and ultimately it is the courts that decide where preference stops and discrimination begins.
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The courts will not tell you who you can hire, they only tell you what criteria you are not allowed to use in that determination...race, sex, age, etc.

The courts on the other hand do tell us who we can and can't marry to an extent. I seem to recall there being states that won't allow same sex couples to marry.

As long as your choices effect you and only you it is not a problem. It is when it starts to effect others (and I don't mean a hypothetical wife or husband) that it becomes a real problem.

We can play what if all day and all it does is go around in circles. What if my aunt had balls? Well, she'd be my uncle.

Well, you still have'nt answered. That's still ok.
And I certainly think that marriage effects others more than a job or aplace to live

 

[shrubber]

You are reaching. You can't help what your tastes in a partner will be, it is what it is. Choosing to hire or not based on race alone is not a preference it's bigoted. My tastes in whom I choose to marry have nothing to do with skin color I'm just drawn to that person. If I choose not to hire someone solely on their skin color that's racist not preference. What is it that you're not getting?

So is being drawn to people of your own race limited only and soley to marriage?

 

[Mrs.Toad]

I am absolutly serious.
If it is socially acceptable, heck almost socially obligitory, for people to marry only within their own race. And it's called a preference, and that's ok.
Why is it not ok for people to have a preference of let's say hiring only people of their race, or living in a neighborhood of people of their own race?

Where is the line drawn between preference and racism?

Who in the heck thinks it's "almost socially obligitory" to marry within only their own race?

I think there is a big difference between someone deciding "I prefer to marry only within my own race", and someone who meets and dates lots of people and just happens to fall in love with someone of their own race. You are assuming that most of the 97% are consciously choosing only to marry within their own race, where I see it as most just happen to fall in love with someone of their own race.

Part of the reason for this may be because so many neighborhoods aren't racially diverse. If you mostly meet people within your own race, it's much more likely that the person you fall in love with will be within your own race, as well. Whether it's discriminatory that so many neighborhoods are not diverse is another issue, but again, it would depend on whether the people who live there chose it because of its racial make-up, or just because they liked house and location.

 

[shrubber]

It's not racially discriminatory. You have the right to marry anyone you wish to marry. I'm a product of a mixed marriage. My mom was full-on Asian, and my dad was Caucasian. No one told either of them that they couldn't marry the other. This isn't some crazy remote village or a place where the bride is chosen for the groom.

Are you looking for a justification on why you think it's ok to discriminate in hiring practices??

Of course you do, but why is it acceptable that less than 3% do?

How is it that society allows this example of personal choice but not others?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I meant the question as ' I prefer to marry someone of my own race ' (As the overwhemingly population does.)
not the Justice of the Peace kind.

Where does preference end and discrimination start?

I suppose I am homophobic since I am not a lesbian and will not be attracted to a woman ever.

We don't control whom we are attracted to.

Physical attraction is not relative to discrimination at all, other than a different use of the word discriminate.

The discrimination we are speaking of here is referring to racism and bigotry. While there likely will always be a portion of the population who will purposefully only date within their race (or in some cases only outside of their race), dating someone who shares your race does not make you racist in and of itself.

Not sure how else to explain it. It's almost like that causation thing that they have in science. But I'm blanking on that term at the moment. I sure am smart.

 

[smkiya]

Tragically, many black politicians and a civil rights industry have a vested interest in portraying the poor socioeconomic outcomes for many blacks as problems rooted in racial discrimination. One of the reasons they are able to get away with such deception is because there are so many guilt-ridden white people

This is not a deception, it is a fact. Yes things are changing, but don't try to sugarcoat facts here. I'm not talking about slavery. But the civil rights movement took place during many of our lifetimes. My mom remembers it vividly. Many blacks are now able to achieve their successes because of the dedication of those (white and black) who fight for civil rights. As much as you would not like to believe (I wish it were not so too), minorities are still treated differently and still have to fight for certain rights. You can't be an oppressed group for hundreds of years, and then all of a sudden be on the same playing field with the majority after only 30-40 years. Especially when the discrimination continues, just not as blatantly as in the past (sometimes, I've witnessed some pretty blatant things and within this past year).

 

[shrubber]

Who in the heck thinks it's "almost socially obligitory" to marry within only their own race?
Well. perhaps an overstatement, but with that wide of a margin, socially acceptable seems a bit of an understatement as well
I think there is a big difference between someone deciding "I prefer to marry only within my own race", and someone who meets and dates lots of people and just happens to fall in love with someone of their own race. You are assuming that most of the 97% are consciously choosing only to marry within their own race, where I see it as most just happen to fall in love with someone of their own race.
Yes, I am assuming that, not much of a leap of faith there
Part of the reason for this may be because so many neighborhoods aren't racially diverse. If you mostly meet people within your own race, it's much more likely that the person you fall in love with will be within your own race, as well. Whether it's discriminatory that so many neighborhoods are not diverse is another issue, but again, it would depend on whether the people who live there chose it because of its racial make-up, or just because they liked house and location.

I was not questioning why people only marry within their own race, rather why it is seen as acceptable. If 97% of marriages are same race, and society says 'ok' Where does preference to associate with the same race turn to racism?

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Of course you do, but why is it acceptable that less than 3% do?

How is it that society allows this example of personal choice but not others?

Again, you are assuming that people marrying within their own race are doing so for discriminatory reasons. I say they're not (well, not all of them anyway!)

Marriage is different from hiring practices or even friendships because there needs to be that element of physical attraction there to fall in love. If people are mostly attracted to their own race, naturally that's who they'll fall in love with and decide to marry. You don't need to be physically attracted to your co-workers or your friends. But even so, if a company
hires mostly people of the same race, I don't believe that necessarily means they are discriminating. Perhaps the most qualified applicants were all of that race.

In both cases, there will be situations that result from discrimination and situations that don't.

 

[ogreenlee]

I was not questioning why people only marry within their own race, rather why it is seen as acceptable. If 97% of marriages are same race, and society says 'ok' Where does preference to associate with the same race turn to racism?

It is not racism to associate with the same race. If you live in northern Maine, then more than likely you won't be associating with those outside of your race, simply because there aren't that many people outside of your race that live there... assuming you're Caucasian.

I happen to live in Atlanta. I have one white girlfriend who predominantly dates black men. That is her preference. To increase her chances of successfully dating black men, she makes sure to stay out of Cowboys, and frequents hip-hop clubs instead.

This isn't my hometown, but I've been here for 12 years. One of the first people I met was a black man who lived in our apartment complex. He became a good friend to my husband and I. He even bought his house near ours so we could have our families close together. He married a white woman. She is heavy set... and said that she always dated black men because they didn't seem to mind that she was heavy.

I'm certain a lot of folks remain within their own race as to not have to deal with family relations. I know that she gets grief from her redneck brother.

 

[shrubber]

This is not a deception, it is a fact. Yes things are changing, but don't try to sugarcoat facts here. I'm not talking about slavery. But the civil rights movement took place during many of our lifetimes. My mom remembers it vividly. Many blacks are now able to achieve their successes because of the dedication of those (white and black) who fight for civil rights. As much as you would not like to believe (I wish it were not so too), minorities are still treated differently and still have to fight for certain rights. You can't be an oppressed group for hundreds of years, and then all of a sudden be on the same playing field with the majority after only 30-40 years. Especially when the discrimination continues, just not as blatantly as in the past (sometimes, I've witnessed some pretty blatant things and within this past year).

I'm sorry, I was not trying to sugarcoat anything.
I believe what I said, that today, many black leaders make a living spewing racially offensive rhetoric and are able to get away with it because of white guilt.
White bigots, thankfully, are overwhemingly rejected by todays society, while Black bigots, more often than not , retain their roles as leaders in the black community.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

I was not questioning why people only marry within their own race, rather why it is seen as acceptable. If 97% of marriages are same race, and society says 'ok' Where does preference to associate with the same race turn to racism?

Maybe it's because people only marry one person. (most of the time, anyway!) I would bet the majority of "best friends" are the same race, too, and I think society sees that as acceptable, too. Once you start adding to the circle of friends, the bigger it gets, the more likely it seems that a group of all one race isn't by chance but by choice.

 

[FireDancer]

I was not questioning why people only marry within their own race, rather why it is seen as acceptable. If 97% of marriages are same race, and society says 'ok' Where does preference to associate with the same race turn to racism?

This seems to be one of those questions with no answer that ultimately goes no where. You tell us when you think it crosses to racism since you have to have an opinion to even ask the question.

 

[shrubber]

Again, you are assuming that people marrying within their own race are doing so for discriminatory reasons. I say they're not (well, not all of them anyway!)

Marriage is different from hiring practices or even friendships because there needs to be that element of physical attraction there to fall in love. If people are mostly attracted to their own race, naturally that's who they'll fall in love with and decide to marry. You don't need to be physically attracted to your co-workers or your friends. But even so, if a company
hires mostly people of the same race, I don't believe that necessarily means they are discriminating. Perhaps the most qualified applicants were all of that race.

In both cases, there will be situations that result from discrimination and situations that don't.

Where is it written that you need to be physically attracted to someone to marry them? Or even in love for that matter?
Easier to be sure, but certainly not neccessary.

 

[shrubber]

Maybe it's because people only marry one person. (most of the time, anyway!) I would bet the majority of "best friends" are the same race, too, and I think society sees that as acceptable, too. Once you start adding to the circle of friends, the bigger it gets, the more likely it seems that a group of all one race isn't by chance but by choice.

But I think you have it backwards. Marriage is certainly more of a choice than than a widening circle of freinds, is'nt it?

 

[ogreenlee]

I'm sorry, I was not trying to sugarcoat anything.
I believe what I said, that today, many black leaders make a living spewing racially offensive rhetoric and are able to get away with it because of white guilt.
White bigots, thankfully, are overwhemingly rejected by todays society, while Black bigots, more often than not , retain their roles as leaders in the black community.

Have you seen Rush's numbers? I wish that he was being rejected.

 

[ogreenlee]

This seems to be one of those questions with no answer that ultimately goes no where. You tell us when you think it crosses to racism since you have to have an opinion to even ask the question.

yes, i'd like to know as well.


shrubber, you seem to have an agenda. are you upset because black people get to have all this anger and white people aren't?

 

[NotUrsula]

I meant the question as ' I prefer to marry someone of my own race ' (As the overwhemingly population does.)
not the Justice of the Peace kind.

Where does preference end and discrimination start?

Um ... with sex?

Seriously, that's what it comes down to. When you have an intimate relationship with someone, you are working on a visceral level, and you are depending on chemical responses to make it work. You can be completely colorblind, but not be sexually attracted to someone who has (or lacks) certain physical characteristics.

Of course, if you bring prostitution into the equation, and if you think that it is fine to have intimate relations with someone of a different race but not OK to marry that person, THEN you are discriminating, because you are creating two tiers of social acceptability, and your are assigning people to those tiers based solely on their racial appearance.

 

[I Am What I Am]

Where is it written that you need to be physically attracted to someone to marry them? Or even in love for that matter?
Easier to be sure, but certainly not neccessary.

Maybe not in some places but in America and other parts of the world we marry mostly for love.

I am the child of a mixed marriage. The reason it's acceptable that less then 3% of marriages are mixed is because it is in no way, shape or form racist. You are attracted to who you are attracted to. I am mostly attracted to skinny white boys with dark hair and beautiful eyes. I am not going to say "I need to be attracted to a blond so people won't think I'm discriminatory!" that's just stupid. I have my type. Not everyone is my type, and I'm ok with that.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Where is it written that you need to be physically attracted to someone to marry them? Or even in love for that matter?
Easier to be sure, but certainly not neccessary.

Are you suggesting affirmative action relationships that are mandated by govt to increase the statistic of interracial couples?



There really is no answer to your question as there is no way to legally resolve it and force it to take place.

A place of employment does not have the choice to legally discriminate against gender or race.

But people in choosing who they will be intimate with, there is no way to legally force them to not discriminate in the name of racial harmony.

We can be a nonbigoted society without imposing whom people will share a bed with.

 

[shrubber]

Um ... with sex?

Seriously, that's what it comes down to. When you have an intimate relationship with someone, you are working on a visceral level, and you are depending on chemical responses to make it work. You can be completely colorblind, but not be sexually attracted to someone who has (or lacks) certain physical characteristics.

Of course, if you bring prostitution into the equation, and if you think that it is fine to have intimate relations with someone of a different race but not OK to marry that person, THEN you are discriminating, because you are creating two tiers of social acceptability, and your are assigning people to those tiers based solely on their racial appearance.

I hear that many people marry without ever having sex or being sexually attrated to one another