Question on points charts inflation history

starjazz

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We're in the early stages of investigating DVC. So, an early question - how often do the points charts go up, and by how much? In other words, hypothetically speaking, say I buy 150 points now so that each year I can get a studio for a week. 10 years from now, am I still likely to be getting that studio for a week? Or will I only have enough for a few nights and HAVE to add on?
 
point "charts" do NOT go up. the points for any given villa on any given night might go up, but something else on the chart would be required to go down to balance it out.

for reference, here are the original pt charts for OKW. weeknights were much cheaper and weekends were much more expensive...but if you compare 7 nights at a time to the current point charts, the difference is minimal.

but as stated above, while the total number of points for the whole resort for the whole year is basically a fixed number, the details can be reallocated. so if you bought a small contract hoping to use it for only weeknights, you'd be bummed out by some of the reallocations that have happened. people that liked using weekends are happier. so it goes...
 
Hmmm. That is actually very appealing. I just figured the "price" would go up, like everything else. That makes ownership a much, much more realistic option. Thanks.
 
Hmmm. That is actually very appealing. I just figured the "price" would go up, like everything else. That makes ownership a much, much more realistic option. Thanks.

The points may or may not "adjust" but the cost for dues and everything else goes up every year. :goodvibes

:earsboy: Bill
 

What is included in "everything else"? I get that dues increase every year, but what else goes up?
 
Tickets, food costs.... we've stockpiled tickets since they may be used in the future if not activated.
 
oh, sure, yeah - i guess i was thinking just along the lines of accommodations. i get that everything else unrelated to DVC will continue to go up. But if you can nearly lock in the accommodations rate, thats a benefit.
 
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While the points at a given resort only change as discussed above, there is a type of point inflation - with each new resort it seems the points needed to stay there are higher than at the older ones. Compare the point charts at OKW with the ones for BLT or VGF (or in my case, OKW with VGC, since I own at those two).

If you buy now at OKW and plan to stay there, you can pretty much target how many points you'll need to buy for the room type you'll want. But if you buy at OKW and then decide to stay at BLT or VGF, you'll need to adjust your stays to be shorter, or in a smaller room type, or in a cheaper season, or borrow/bank other UY's points.
 
Star jazz, it's not just A benefit, it's THE benefit of dvc.

You've realized the one best reason to own. In my opinion essentially everything else is hype. The discounts are nice when they come but not guaranteed. But the fact that you lock in accommodations pricing (dependent on dues, yeah, but essentially lock in) is why we bought DVC.
 
oh, sure, yeah - i guess i was thinking just along the lines of accommodations. i get that everything else unrelated to DVC will continue to go up. But if you can nearly lock in the accommodations rate, thats a benefit.

I would think that it's safe to say that DVC owners spend a ton of money on their yearly or more often vacations that they take since they are locked in to repeat vacations.

You save on the room but you will spend a hundred thousand plus during the term of your contract. That's not a bad thing if you would be spending more money than that at WDW without the DVC anyway.

:earsboy: Bill
 
Let me give a real world example:
When we initially bought in we had enough points to stay in studios Sundays through Thursdays for 27 nights per year during the cheapest points cost months. After 20 years, 3 major points adjustments, and yearly smaller adjustments; we would have enough to stay 22 nights per year.
 
Let me give a real world example:
When we initially bought in we had enough points to stay in studios Sundays through Thursdays for 27 nights per year during the cheapest points cost months. After 20 years, 3 major points adjustments, and yearly smaller adjustments; we would have enough to stay 22 nights per year.

This worries me...I thought the total points for a given resort have to remain the same...that the points only get reallocated. I'm new, so just wondering how to really "know" what a good number of points is.
 
The prior post by com_op was misleading. I'm not suggesting his motivation, as I have no idea to that, but let me explain:

Total points for the full year at a given DVC do NOT change, unless there is an add-on of total rooms at the property, such as the THV at SSR or Kidani at AKV.

Com_op is correct that the total days able to book using a given set of points (during the Sunday-Thursday period) went down over the long term. What he omits is that the total days able to book with those same points on Friday/Saturday have gone UP. This could change again in the future, but that is the history.

The major point reallocation to which he refers increased the daily point requirement for week days, and decreased it for weekends. I could explain why if desired; for brevity here, it did.

The total points to book the entire resort did not change.

As to the question of how much to buy, many suggest 5-10% more than you think you need for your given resort/room size/season if you vacation at the same time each year. If your vacations vary a lot, then just buy what you think you need to get started and add on later if you find you are short.

Hope this helps.
 
The prior post by com_op was misleading. I'm not suggesting his motivation, as I have no idea to that, but let me explain:

Total points for the full year at a given DVC do NOT change, unless there is an add-on of total rooms at the property, such as the THV at SSR or Kidani at AKV.

Com_op is correct that the total days able to book using a given set of points (during the Sunday-Thursday period) went down over the long term. What he omits is that the total days able to book with those same points on Friday/Saturday have gone UP. This could change again in the future, but that is the history.

The major point reallocation to which he refers increased the daily point requirement for week days, and decreased it for weekends. I could explain why if desired; for brevity here, it did.

The total points to book the entire resort did not change.

As to the question of how much to buy, many suggest 5-10% more than you think you need for your given resort/room size/season if you vacation at the same time each year. If your vacations vary a lot, then just buy what you think you need to get started and add on later if you find you are short.

Hope this helps.

Yes, thank you for the explanation!
 
The prior post by com_op was misleading. I'm not suggesting his motivation, as I have no idea to that, but let me explain:
i don't see anything misleading about the statement -- it is a straightforward, accurate, real-world example of their experience in one particular scenario. They bought DVC for use in studios for a particular number of nights (a VERY common way of deciding how many points to buy), and over time, the picture changed for their vacationing pattern.


Com_op is correct that the total days able to book using a given set of points (during the Sunday-Thursday period) went down over the long term. What he omits is that the total days able to book with those same points on Friday/Saturday have gone UP. This could change again in the future, but that is the history.
Actually, I think you have part of that backwards. WeekEND points went down to balance weekday points going up.

The purpose of those reallocations is to balance usage and availability. If weekday points are "too low" owners will frequently book Sun-Thurs stays, leaving a lot of empty rooms on weekends.
 
oh, sure, yeah - i guess i was thinking just along the lines of accommodations. i get that everything else unrelated to DVC will continue to go up. But if you can nearly lock in the accommodations rate, thats a benefit.

Don't underestimate the "everything else"- especially if you have kids that are still Disney kids. Accommodations are just one part of a vacation that is pretty darn expensive - and DVC will lock you in (to a large extent) to staying at Disney even if tickets increases make you wince and/or airfare becomes unaffordable and if you didn't own DVC you'd be taking a less expensive vacation to ski in Aspen (that's sarcasm, by the way). I have to say that the increases in "everything else" in the decade we've owned have outpaced my expectations, and have reached the point of being uncomfortable. Tickets in particular - but dining costs as well. And we went from two Disney kids when we bought to hauling along teenagers - also known as Disney adults for ticketing purposes.
 
As noted total resort points cannot change (with the exception that more could be added if they add new units to the resort). What they can do is shift points in that they can raise them for one season, one type of room, or for given nights, while lowering them by a like amount for other seasons, type of rooms, or nights. The impact of that is that you will always face some risk, if you purchase enough points for a given type room for a given time of year, that the points you need could go up (or down). They cannot shift points for no reason, but as long as they can explain that what they are doing is in the interests of the members as a whole and it relates to demand issues, they can act.

There have been a handful of point shifts over the years. In the early 1990's, they lowered and raised points in different seasons at OKW. There were then no changes until 2010 and 2011, when over that two year period they substantially lowered Fri and Sat night points while raising weekday points needed. They did that one over two years because they are allowed to change any one night in one year by no more than 20%, and the total adjustment actually made over two years was close to 28%. That change substantially impacted many members who had purchased enough points to be able to go five nights, Sun through Thurs, annually. Nevertheless, it was not a total surprise since both DVD and members had mentioned the possibility over many years because weekday demand greatly outstripped weekend demand. DVD had even sought possible reaction to such a change in some surveys it took over the years.

Since then there have been four changes that were all specific resort related. At AKV, they converted some savanna view rooms, including two GVs, to standard view because the rooms did not provide decent savanna views. The result is that points were lowered for the ones that became standard while the rooms in other categories increased a little. The same happened at BLT when they converted some of the lower floor theme park view rooms to standard because the views were not good. After SSR added the treehouses, the demand for them was very high including because the points for them were the same as a two bedroom at SSR. Effective beginning Jan 2013, the points needed for the treehouses went up almost 15% across the board for all seasons, while points decreased a little in the other SSR rooms. The effect of that is that treehouses are now fairly easy to book most times of the year even at 7 months out. That one obviously had a major impact on anyone at SSR who purchased when the treehouses were on sale and purchased enough points to get a treehouse annually. The recommendation to buy 5% to 10% more points than you think you actually need as a hedge against a possible future point shift did not work for those purchasers. There was also a change at Aulani which I believed had to do with eliminating one of the GVs.

When and if future changes will occur is unknown. Many have expressed concerns that certain seasonal shifts might occur sometime in the future at WDW resorts. One usually mentioned by members is the first two weeks of Dec which are currently classified in the lowest point season but those two weeks are now the highest (first week of Dec) and third highest (second week of Dec) DVC demand weeks of the year. Like concerns have been mentioned about October, which is in the next to lowest point season but is the second highest DVC demand month of the year, next to December. Meanwhile, all the spring break weeks, in the highest and second highest point seasons, are among the low to at worst moderate DVC demand weeks now.

In other words, DVD does not do point shifts without reason, but do not purchase on the assumption they will not occur.
 
Actually, I think you have part of that backwards. WeekEND points went down to balance weekday points going up. The purpose of those reallocations is to balance usage and availability. If weekday points are "too low" owners will frequently book Sun-Thurs stays, leaving a lot of empty rooms on weekends.
Jim- as my post said, what I felt misleading was that he had given only one side of the story- stating how his "number of days possible to book" Sun-Th had gone down over time, without stating that weekend per-day points costs had also gone down.

Thus while truthful and accurate his post was misleading to someone who doesn't understand reallocations.

Your statement above is inaccurate but totally understandable, because com_op had used an unusual method of calculation in his post. Rather than (as we usually discuss) expressing his calculation in points per night for the desired room, he had expressed "total nights available to book with a set number of points" which would move inversely to the points per night cost.

I was carrying on with his phrasing, wherein if the points per night on the weekend went down, the nights you could book with a set number of points on the weekend would go UP. It almost hurts my brain trying to explain it- hope you get what I'm trying to say...
 
The point reallocations have caused us a 30 point increase to book our normal vacation dates.

People will say that Disney has a responsibility to maintain a balance in the system, I say that they want to keep the rooms full all year long because they make a ton of money from DVC owners. Points not being used on rooms reduces Disney's income on restaurants, tickets, and extras.

After the last reallocation, Disney began selling one-time use points to members knowing that many would have point shortages.

:earsboy: Bill
 











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