Question For Yavn kind of a Rant

[laxplaya1346]

I'm not sure if there is a post or not for this. So please bare with me when I ask the all powerful question....


Will VMK ever be more MAC friendly? Since all the recent additions: In HM: When I click start game I still see the lobby and it says waiting for players, Once I'm in the room I see my opponent(yes only 1 since anything else gives me the white dc message) already walking around while my screen is still counting down, yet I can not move. In Pirates: This game basically chooses when it wants to work or not. Stage 3 in any level always quits and sometimes It takes me back to the lobby after I pay my 21. In JC: Since the new music my computer now takes 15 seconds to load each room, in this time my gas is running down and the animals pop up without me being able to click on them. In Fireworks: After each firework explodes it takes about 30 seconds before I can move my cursor to click on another. Now... when I go to a cousins house I play fireworks: I come in the Top 8, In HM: I catch 68 ghosts without dcing with 7 other players, In JC: I get double my regular score, and finally in Pirates: I don't get booted at all.

So you see my problem? I guess this is more of a rant and just wanted to throw it out there in the mix. I understand this is not VMKs fault since when I play on a PC it is a wonderful game and yes you do say it only supports MACs. BTW i do have comcast for this and I make sure my browser is the only app open.



Thank you,

Disniplaya

 

[Radvish]

Nothing works for Mac because Apple has a tiny teeny insignificant fraction of the PC market. Windows dominates and all the Apple ads trying to convince me to switch won't ever work. Apple touts Windows now works on a Mac but I thought that was the point of the ads. Windows is not good so why buy a Mac to run Windows?

I guess even Steve Jobs realizes that people want Windows and even he is so desperate to do anything to get some customers. No thanks lol

My advice? Switch to Windows!

 

[laxplaya1346]

Would if i could... my mom works for apple..

 

[ElectricLime]

Blame Macromedia, and blame Adobe who purchased Macromedia last year.

The problem is that Shockwave, the framework in which VMK was created, runs very slowly on Mac computers, and will slow down all Shockwave applications until Adobe puts effort into speeding it up.

In general the Mac is a much better computer than a PC running Windows - I can say this because I've been working with both of them longer than many VMK players have been alive. Macs are much more secure, much more stable, much easier to use, and they don't get viruses or spyware or adware.

But right now the PC is better for games, including VMK.

Radvish - Apple is telling people they can run Windows on a Mac so that they don't have to give up anything. Like, you could get a Mac and use the Mac operating system for all your daily email and web browsing and chats and everything else, and then bring up Windows when you want to play VMK.

 

[Mnementh]

As far as the problem you're having with HM is concerned, I have the same problem every time I play, and I'm using a PC. I don't think that has anything to do with the fact that you're on a Mac.

 

[Coasterguy]

Would if i could... my mom works for apple..

Then get one of the new Core 2 Duo Macs. They just upgraded iMacs and now have a 24" monitor. Course you still have to wait for Adobe to release universal binaries for Shockwave. If you decide to run Windows you can either use Bootcamp and dual boot or use Parallels and run mac and windows at the same time.

As far as support I agree with ElectricLime. I work at a University and we support Windows and Macs. We spend way more time supporting Windows issues.

 

[ladyleopard1106]

As I like to say....if windows is the solution, I want the problem back! I love my Mac to pieces...it's the only way I get any of my graphic and web design done because doing any of that on a PC just bites.

 

[Radvish]

Blame Macromedia, and blame Adobe who purchased Macromedia last year.

The problem is that Shockwave, the framework in which VMK was created, runs very slowly on Mac computers, and will slow down all Shockwave applications until Adobe puts effort into speeding it up.

In general the Mac is a much better computer than a PC running Windows - I can say this because I've been working with both of them longer than many VMK players have been alive. Macs are much more secure, much more stable, much easier to use, and they don't get viruses or spyware or adware.

But right now the PC is better for games, including VMK.

Radvish - Apple is telling people they can run Windows on a Mac so that they don't have to give up anything. Like, you could get a Mac and use the Mac operating system for all your daily email and web browsing and chats and everything else, and then bring up Windows when you want to play VMK.

Thanks and that's your opinion. I have both a mac and pc at home and prefer the PC. Macs are too restricted and limited. PC's I can swap my audio and video cards, with a Mac I need to discard the entire thing to upgrade. Windows is not any less stable or secure, but the fact is due to it's market volume, everyone makes software and extras for Windows and there's no possible way for MS to control everything. Whereas Mac, everything is made by Apple with very limited third party support and because of this small fraction they can test everything.

And finally no more or less viruses, the problem is when a hacker wants to cause a problem they go after the system with the most users and thus the most impact. Windows dominates and so will Vista come January. Apple is cool but very tiny. I prefer Windows.

 

[hagen]

Nothing works for Mac because Apple has a tiny teeny insignificant fraction of the PC market....

My advice? Switch to Windows!

Wow. This is perilous advice. Plenty works on a Mac, or I wouldn't get any work done. And an 'insignificant fraction of the PC market?' So you're saying laxplaya1346, ElectricLime, ladyleopard1106, CL_Bezoar, and me are insignificant? Thanks. Happy Friday to you, too...

hagen (the slightly significant)

 

[mtlhddoc2]

well, Macs are not a tiny insignificant portion of the market, but relative to Windows, it is considered a "niche" market - My employer who shall remain nameless (cough, 2nd largest toy company, cough) has a significant design department which run almost completely on Macs because graphics design on a mac is far superior to Windows. However, Macs are terrible at "grunt work" like word processing, spreadsheeting and database management. Macs also do not do well in a network environment.

and to all those who say "Macs are more secure" yadda yadda - this simply is not true. Last year, over 300,000 different viruses were discovered for Windows, but there were also 15,000 discovered for Macs and when a Mac gets a virus, you have no choise but to wipe it. Spyware is also becoming more prevalent on Macs.

But the problem with spyware and viruses lies not with the computer, but with the users. It is very easy to secure a computer to make sure no spyware ever gets installed, Mac or PC but noone ever takes the time to learn about their computer. You go to driving school to learn to drive a car, but your computer you just plug in and think it will run itself? You really think all that spam that you open is perfectly safe just because of the title "You have got to see this" or "Free Viagra"? (Those were general "you"s not directed at anyone in particular)

the more you learn about your computer the safer you will be.

that being said... Adobe has long supported the Mac OS as seen with Illustrator and Photoshop, now that they own Macromedia, you can bet there will be some sort of Mac-only version out before too long. the problem really never did lie with Macromedia anyway. Macromedia specifically designed its programs to work with IE and Microsoft XML - how are they to blame if someone decides to use their program for an internet game? They are not.
If you want or need someone to blame, blame Apple for not creating a decent browser which supports XML, Shockwave and Flash

 

[Coasterguy]

Wow. This is perilous advice. Plenty works on a Mac, or I wouldn't get any work done. And an 'insignificant fraction of the PC market?' So you're saying laxplaya1346, ElectricLime, ladyleopard1106, CL_Bezoar, and me are insignificant? Thanks. Happy Friday to you, too...

hagen (the slightly significant)

Hey, thanks for leaving me out.

BTW have you seen the minimum system requirements for Vista?

 

[qruthie]

Count me in as one of the insignificant people. I prefer my Mac for most of the things I do but it is old and slow so VMK didn't work very well on it. I didn't want to upgrade yet so I got this laptop for playing VMK.

 

[nmudisneyfan]

I too then am one of the insignificant people as well. I love my mac!

 

[ElectricLime]

Macs are too restricted and limited. PC's I can swap my audio and video cards, with a Mac I need to discard the entire thing to upgrade.

On any Mac you can upgrade the memory and the hard drive. On Power Macs and Mac Pros you can upgrade the video card.

Windows is not any less stable or secure,

Windows is vastly more unstable and insecure. The most straightforward example: a Windows program can run with administrator rights and muck with the system files without the user every knowing or allowing the activity. On a Mac, if a program tries to mess with stuff that requires administrator rights, the user is notified and asked to enter a password first.

And finally no more or less viruses, the problem is when a hacker wants to cause a problem they go after the system with the most users and thus the most impact.

Thousands of malicious hackers out there would all love to be the first person to create a virus epidemic on Mac OS X. None of them have succeeded.

 

[ElectricLime]

Macs are terrible at "grunt work" like word processing, spreadsheeting and database management. Macs also do not do well in a network environment.

I have no idea where you get this from - Macs are wonderful with Microsoft Office, and they thrive in a networked environment.

and to all those who say "Macs are more secure" yadda yadda - this simply is not true. Last year, over 300,000 different viruses were discovered for Windows, but there were also 15,000 discovered for Macs and when a Mac gets a virus, you have no choise but to wipe it. Spyware is also becoming more prevalent on Macs.

Please cite your sources. Where did you hear that 15,000 number? I've only ever heard of one or two Mac viruses, both created as "proof of concept" but never released into the wild. And I have *never* heard of any Mac spyware, ever.

Norton AntiVirus runs just fine on a Mac, but the only viruses it has to deal with are Microsoft Office macro viruses.

If you want or need someone to blame, blame Apple for not creating a decent browser which supports XML, Shockwave and Flash

That would be the Safari browser, which is part of Mac OS X. It supports XML as well as any other browser out there, and it does a fine job of handling Adobe's Shockwave and Flash plugins. (If only Adobe would make these plugins faster!)

 

[Coasterguy]

well, Macs are not a tiny insignificant portion of the market, but relative to Windows, it is considered a "niche" market - My employer who shall remain nameless (cough, 2nd largest toy company, cough) has a significant design department which run almost completely on Macs because graphics design on a mac is far superior to Windows. However, Macs are terrible at "grunt work" like word processing, spreadsheeting and database management. Macs also do not do well in a network environment.

What programs are you using for "grunt work"? Microsoft Office? Runs fine on all my Macs. We've used Keynote to "fix" problems with Windows generated Power Point presentations. I work at a major university in the Computer Science department. We have no issues with Macs on our network. In fact Macs had gig ethernet interfaces long before any Windows PCs. As far as support we spend far more time taking care of problems with Windows then Macs and have never had to reinstall the OS because of Spyware or Viruses.

 

[valeriesunshine]

I use a MAc. It says VMK is not supported by this browser, but its still works. Its just a smaller window and has to load longer.

 

[mtlhddoc2]

What programs are you using for "grunt work"? Microsoft Office? Runs fine on all my Macs. We've used Keynote to "fix" problems with Windows generated Power Point presentations. I work at a major university in the Computer Science department. We have no issues with Macs on our network. In fact Macs had gig ethernet interfaces long before any Windows PCs. As far as support we spend far more time taking care of problems with Windows then Macs and have never had to reinstall the OS because of Spyware or Viruses.

how many macs are you running on the network? We are running about 6000 of them, they do not interact well with the network in general.

Office may "work" fine if you are only working on the computer itself, but a corporate environment does not do that. there are agreat many issues with Office and other network programs. Im not going to go into detail, but it is obvious the "Mac" people will seize any opportunity to hail it as better than Windows, even when someone defends the Mac from its detractors. I should have known better.

 

[ElectricLime]

how many macs are you running on the network? We are running about 6000 of them, they do not interact well with the network in general.

Explain? Macs work beautifully on networks. In fact, Macs came with networking built-in long before PCs did.

there are agreat many issues with Office and other network programs.

Like what?

Im not going to go into detail, but it is obvious the "Mac" people will seize any opportunity to hail it as better than Windows, even when someone defends the Mac from its detractors. I should have known better.

I'm just asking for details on why people say Macs don't work, and I'm not hearing any specifics.

 

[mtlhddoc2]

I'm just asking for details on why people say Macs don't work, and I'm not hearing any specifics.

actually, if they are in a Mac only network, you are right, but try connecting them to Unix, Mainframe or NT based networks and see what happens when. also try running network apps on them, you want examples? Ok, how about EVERYTHING - Mainframe applications do not work on Macs but work fine on PCs, Unix based applications such as SAP and Peoplesoft do not work on Macs, but work fine on PCs, even Linux based apps (which Mac OS10 is now based) do not work on Macs, but fine on PCs, and finally, Windows based applications do not work on Macs, at all, ever, but fine on PCs - however, I can run nearly every Mac based app on my PC - any PC can easily be modified to run these applications with simple DOS code that any first year programmer can write.

and there is a reason for this: Apple wont allow it, at all, ever. they are proprietary where as windows is not. Proprietary software, hardware and network interfacing.